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Debian 2.1 Release Party
At 00:00:00AM UTC, (7PM EST, and 4PM PST for you lucky bastards at LWCE) Debian
will release Debian 2.1, codenamed "Slink". Slink has been frozen for four months, and
was almost skipped. Right now, we are celebrating the
release on irc.openprojects.net, #debian. Last time we had over 300 people in one channel, and had an incredible amount of fun. Order CDs and check out the party HQ at netgod.net. Be there or be square! Update: 03/02 06:47 by J : Looks as though
the release has been delayed another week. An announcement should be on the web site soon.
I just finished installing Debian 2.0 over
an old RedHat 4.2 and I have to say that I
am impressed so far. I like the setup and
am learning to like the dselect/dpkg arrangement.
Is there a plan to provide an easy upgrade
from 2.0 to 2.1?
Thanks
-Roby
Slink was frozen for 4 months, actually..
The first Debian to have KDE! WOW!! COOL!!!
Nice to see Deb'ers going mainstream!
'nuff said.
Fire up dselect, set it to ftp installation method. Point it to slink directories, run update, then install.
You know, mainstream is to be lame. And that's what linux is good in.
Now that Slink is ready...time for potatoe! Im happy with potatoe right now!
Natas
http://www.mp3.com/pedophagia
I think irc.openprojects.net has been slashdotted...
Debian is sweet. I started out using Redhat 4.1. After getting rm -rf'ed from an exploitable imap server that I was too clueless to disable, I tried Slackware. I installed 3.5 and used it for a time, teaching myself about how the system worked. I used it for about half a year and considered myself a die-hard slackware user. Then, I figured I would try Debian. I really didn't know what Debian was about, but I had a friend recommend it to me. I installed it (2.0) then quickly installed slink's apt. I was wowed. Now I don't see how I could ever willfully use another distribution. I invite everyone who hasn't tried Debian to give it a try.
reishus_m@hotmail.com
There are kde packages which you can install, but they aren't official.
I beleive there is. In fact, I used it to go from hamm -> slink. The version was like 0.1.8 or something.
where can I download a iso image for personal use?
How stupid - Linux 2.2 has been out for ages - get with the times, Debian!!!!
Debian 2.1, kernel 2.0.36. Or did you think Redhat 5.2 came with kernel 5.2, and everyone else was just really slow? ;-P
And although kernel 2.2 is by definition `stable', it hasn't proven itself to me yet - I'll be waiting a couple more patchlevels before it goes on any production machines.
Debian: not always the most up to date, but always the least broken.
It'll run fine, but things like /sbin/ifconfig will give you bogus information with respects to errors etc, since some of the /proc information changed format. Grab the netbase package from potato if it worries you.
Anyone know of any place selling slink that's cheaper than netgod. I realize it's only $20, but it's $20 that I don't have to begin with.
Also, the are the slink 'test' isos on cdimage.debian.org the real deal, and which ones are which? Are the first two (1 and 2) the intel install, with the last two (3 and 4) being the source code ios?
Wait for www.cheapbytes.com to get it. Currently you can buy a Debian 2.0 binary cd for $1.99 plus shipping -- and then upgrade to 2.1 as described a couple of posts up if you wanted.
There isn't one *in* hamm, but there is one *for* hamm, in ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/slink/main/u pgrade-2.0-i386/.
Install, man 5 sources.list, and a bit of editing; then apt-get update, apt-get check, fix any broken dependencies (if you're like me, and have upgraded some things piecemeal), then apt-get dist-upgrade.
John P.
The latest ISO I could track down was slink_test which is 3 days old. Anyone know where to get a office Slink release ISO?
Netgod's CDs are super for the impatient. They are quite good - but the premium is for the timing.
If you don't mind waiting, go with CheapBytes.
www.debian.org has a bunch of CD vendors listed.
I use RedHat. Mostly because I can remember a time -- before SLS, before distributions -- when you had to start with a boot/root floppy and then go download gcc and start building the box by hand. (I had to steal all my man pages from a SunOS box and an Ultrix machine! Augh!)
I used Slackware in the 2.x days, and it annoyed the hell out of me. The floppy-like install (what ARE all those series, and do I need them all? Why should I download so much useless stuff to get to the things I want?) and snail-like pace of upgrades were indicative of a completely different kind of user than I am.
RedHat has decent package management (rpmfind and rpm) that works well enough for me. The "RedHat way" of doing things is occasionally obscure and annoying (like the mangled GNOME they ship), but easily fixable.
I'm looking at SuSE 6, which seems to have pretty much everything I want, and better system administration than I'm used to.
Debian looks neat, but I don't quite see the point. It seems that the main point of Debian is political, not technical. It has its own arcane package type that doesn't interoperate (without alien) with the rest of the world. I don't hear about all the wonderful administration tools (are there any?)
I'll try it, but I need a good reason. So, advocate at me.
- i think dselect/apt (a fortiori gnome-apt) is a very nice little package management tool, the likes of which i have not heard from Red Hat .rpm support to dpkg...?)
- debian seems more stable, solid.
- dpkg + alien offers more versatility than just rpm (and i believe one of the developers is planning to add
- little things like having a decent suite of utilities (compared to Red Hat) when you "drop down into a shell" during the initial install to check things like ifconfig and dmesg.
- easy access (including searching) to all packages from the web site
- ok, the philosophy, too.. 8)
just top-of-the-head stuff... i'm sure other users could share more... (note: i still commend and respect Red Hat, very much)
I would like to note that Debian is essentially a high quality distribution. It has around 400 volunteer mantainers. It is guaranteed that bugs will pop out much less frequently than on redhat. dpkg never breaks.
Package management is superior to rpm. Whan Window Maker? Just type apt-get install wmaker in your root prompt. It will determine the dependencies and will download and install all stuff that you need. You can even upgrade the whole system with just 2 apt commands.
System maintainance is a snap. Installation AND configuration of "difficult" programs like sendmail is rediculuosly easy. Unlike rpm, dpkg also gives you a choice between the 4 or 5 most common sendmail setups for example.
I would say that RedHat is easier to install. Debian is easier to mantain.
I love Debian and all of its cool features, but does anyone know where I can get DEBs for XF86 3.3.3.1??? I've just been installing the 3.3.2 libs that come with the dist to satisfy dependencies for other stuff and then installing the tarballs from ftp.xfree86.org by hand, but I'd really like to see Debian incorporate 3.3.3.1 into potato.
Check the press release, RedHat is releasing 6.0 this week!
Don't mention KeDeYee word on /.
It is the proven way to start a flamewar here..
as reported on the debian weekly news thingie, a developer announced that the 3.3.3.1 .debs are up for review. haven't tried them, though... (compiled it previously)
bloody idiot stick your head back in
now that slink is official, i can convert my boss from craphat :-)
yaaaaaahoooooooo
If Qt is normally distributed along with the
distribution, as it is with distros such as
Mandrake, then you are allowed to distribute
binaries linked to it -- its a chicken and egg
situation -- though in this case solving it is
as easy as buying the egg from a shop and hitting
it with a hammer.
If your distribution normally comes with Qt, then
you may distribute binaries linked to Qt,
regardless of the license of Qt.
Hmm, when I go to www.debian.org, I get there Japanese home page.
Well, for me, it's the French page, which is less trouble, as I am French ;)
Seriously, my Netscape prefs are for english first, so I should have english....first.
try http://www.debian.org/index.en.html
At least it should lead you to the correct page.
what a pin head... a double s .... IT'S a poll dummy
Well Debian has a ncftp package also you know. ;-)
They didn't. KDE is in contrib only. (contrib = repository for software which depends on non-free, afaik)
Easy-to-upgrade is Debian's middle name, and has been for ages. If there's one *really* solid advantage that Debian has had over the other distros, it's the ease of upgrading.
That said, the new apt tool makes installing and upgrading even easier than it was in earlier versions of Debian.
I agree with previous replies to your message. My experience has been that Red Hat doesn't configure as nicely as Debian and seems far less stable.
Debian is also much easier to install, in my opinion. Red Hat only gives you Disk Druid (isn't very nice to use) and plain-old fdisk - not even cfdisk (which is much easier to use).
Red Hat seems to "do their own thing" more than Debian, who adheres to the GNU/Linux ethos better. I know this sounds "religious" but Debian is just so much better in so many ways that I would never consider Red Hat.
Shoo troll, don't bother me..
Shoo troll, don't bother me..
Shoo troll, don't bother me..
Hurry up and jump on the individualist bandwagon!
Install apt (you really just need the hamm version AFAIK) and then type "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". If you want you can upgrade apt first: "apt-get update && apt-get install apt && apt-get dist-upgrade".
Hurry up and jump on the individualist bandwagon!
Correct me if I'm wrong by Potatoe is the British Spelling of the word and is still valid... However it is still spelled "Potato" for titles sake if anything
The test iso's are exactly that --- test images.
The real ones are being built right now, but it takes a while, and obviously could not start until the mirror had updated, which also took a while.
If you already have the test images, the final ones should be fairly close to those, so help save some bandwidth by using rsync to get the new ones.
slink1 is most of main's binaries
slink2 is the rest of main, and the contrib binaries
slink 3 & 4 are the source.
check out http://www.debian.org/distrib/vendors for alternate vendors.
Being realistic, it'll probably take 24 hours before the CD images get out to most of the mirrors, so please bear with us.
Cheers, Phil.
Debian: GNU/Linux done the Linux way
Branden has been very busy getting X in good shape for slink; now that slink is almost released, he
can start focussing on potato, and move to 3.3.3.1.
dists/slink/main/upgrade-2.0-i386/apt_0.1.8_i38
The first is for upgrading from bo, to hamm. The 2nd is for upgrading hamm to slink.
Ok, cut-n pasted the wrong package...
However... to save some shred of my tattered reputation...
rpm -q -f
util-linux-2.8-11
I'll be shuffling off to shoot myself now.
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mphall@cstone.nospam.net
"Give me $20 worth of pudding, or kill me."
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mphall@cstone.nospam.net
"A horse laugh is worth a thousand syllogisms"
util-linux-2.8-11
In turn, from the RH 5.2 distro disc:
310971 Oct 14 07:38 util-linux-2.8-11.i386.rpm
There.
Now I'm going to lunch with my girlfriend, who's existence I can't prove with cut-n-paste (you just have to take it on faith, which I fault no one reading for not having) and forget this morning.
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mphall@cstone.nospam.net
"Give me $20 worth of pudding, or kill me."
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mphall@cstone.nospam.net
"A horse laugh is worth a thousand syllogisms"
I'd like to thank the universal powers at large for making my life worth living again.
I now can upgrade "apt-get update," "apt-get upgrade."
I can install, "overnight me the cd's netgod!"
I will walk the earth like Cain and install the coolest linux ever.
FREEDOM BABY... YEEEEAAAAHHHHH!!!!
When I'm done playing with my slink, I'm on gonna get my potato.
--self-proclaimed linux monk....
not funny
I want to switch from Red Hat 5.1 to Debian, but I don't have time to break everything and spend days fixing it. How easy is it to make this sort of thing "just work"?
;)
Probably my best bet is to install debian onto a seperate partition and mount my existing install within it... Damn, think I just answered my own question
The issue remains, though, for people who don't have a spare partition on their drives...
Stuart.
1) Their reluctance to make iso cd images readilly available for non-production releases (slink, potato).
I think that if you have a local mirror, that there is a package designed to make iso images from that mirror. I always do ftp installs, so I'm not certain of the procedure. Anything I need for an initial install I can download overnight; my house gateway runs diald, so disconnects aren't an issue, either.
2) The fact that X is still at 3.3.2
As someone who just yesterday installed a 3.3.3.1-only card in a slink system with X3.3.2, all I had to do was to download the new 3DLabs X server from Xfree86.org, stick it /usr/local/bin, and change my Xservers config file to use it instead of the stock SVGA one.
4) The installation is still a chore -- numerous questions to answer, etc.
Work in progress. The planning time in designing a database that won't need to be ripped out right after potato is extensive.
5) No convinient way to build machines "in batch"
dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections, I think, handle these. Or, you could simply use the old tar/untar pipe procedure.
It says in the 'future release' type section of their plans that 2.2.1 source is included although the distro is based around 2.0.36. Is anyone using a pre-copy, and what needs to be done to fully upgrade to 2.2 (and to upgrade to glibc 2.1 whenever it is rereleased?)
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow...
Slink (Debian 2.1) has been delayed 1 week.
Time to upgrade. Glad I'm back on T1.
He said, "You'll be able to tell your grandchildren that you helped assemble the first NT supercomputer," and I cringed.