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Best Places to Co-Locate?
Stephen wrote in a while ago with
this question:
"Where's the best place to co-locate my
Linux box in California? I heard there are
loads of server farms in the San Fran to the
L.A area. Which one is the best and most
cost effective? Well most of us will agree
that the Internet is much larger than
California, so lets open this up a bit:
What are the best places to co-locate
ANYWHERE
Depends on how much you want to spend.. If you're a big spender, I would look at exodus. They are EXTREEMLY professional about their services; they also house [so they claim] 60% of the big sites on the web. They listed a bunch for me. Out in Massachusetts, they charge $1400 bux for 1MB sustained for a month. Includes 1/4 rack/24 hour keycard access, 24 hour monitoring. Bullet proof windows included. :) The datacenter out here has 3 clear channel lines running into it plus something like seven ATM T3's? One other intersting perk of exodus is you can shove as MUCH stuff in your 1/4 rack (or however much you buy) as you want. So you can shove a CSU/DSU+router in your rack, and run a T1 to your company HQ; and only pay for telco charges.
I would suggest you stay AWAY from verio though. They are bad news.
http://www.he.net
12 inches of rack space, half a megabit of bandwidth, and some other good stuff. 500 bucks a month. 14th floor of MAE-West.
could you ask for any more?
If your looking for the slick setup, check out http://www.above.net. I'm currently have 9 Linux boxes with Verio, they've been decent. With Verio it depends on how good the ISP was that Verio bought up.
But above.net, hosting/colocates is all they do. Gotta like those multihomed OC-12s and only paying for the bandwidth you use...
I work for an ecommerce company, and we are presently at Exodus, but we have been experiencing more than our fair share of outages and downtime. The perception here is that Exodus grew quickly at the expense of service, though I know them to be a good company to work with in general. We are looking around at other providers, including Qwest and Frontier Global Center (which is where yahoo puts its *1100* web servers).
I've been investigating colocation for a while now, and a friend of mine forwared the following URL to me.
http://new.announce.com/co-location.htm
To quote from the URL:
"If, you have your own server prepared, you of course can simply bring it, or send it to us. We will provide you with IP set up info, mailing instructions, and you pay no setup charges at all. You pay $10.00/GB with 5GB per month minimum."
Can that possibly be for real? $50/month is by far the cheapest price I have ever encountered. There's got to be a catch like "We're connected to the net with a totally saturated T1" or something.
gvolk@macross.umsl.edu
Anybody have any experience with 9netave.com? They seem pretty large, and they certainly can afford a substantial advertising budget. But the price is REALLY low. I mean, they hit $130 a month including hardware, hosting, and 5 GB of transfer (which is all my site needs), with an up-front of like $400. There was another one that had been advertising on /. a bit about their $150/month linux special too that looked pretty reasonable.
We're looking for our own server that really only needs to do 100-150MB a day of throughput and run some server apps, so I'm hoping to keep things under $200. Any advice?
Thanks!
--JZ
I've been looking at this for a while too, and it seems that DSL may be an option for low end-mid level servers. You pay like $100/month for 100-200kbits/s, vs $400 and up for similar co-lo. Plus, you get the added benefit of having the server in your home or office.
What do you all think? Is this a valid option or would I be nuts to consider it? My system will run a Web server and an E-mail server with a LOT of users (probably over 1000 eventually).
Some apartments offer seeminly cheap Internet hookups (anyone have a nationwide list?). I know of one in Austin that offers a T1 for $75/month. Would this be a good co-lo bet?
I work for a fairly busy site that co-los at Frontier. They are intelligent and responsive, good connectivity, quick at diagnosing and fixing routing issues, and clear and honest about problems. We used to be at Exodus, nice lab coats but otherwise a bunch of air-heads. We regularly get queries from companies planning to leave Exodus looking for advice, it amazes me that they have not fixed the problems we were experiencing.
Read the scpecs carefull before going the DSL
DSL like those 56k bit modems isn't full duplex. The speed is faster downloading than uploading.
Bell atlantic offers a "Bussiness DSL" with speeds up to 7.1 MBS downstream and 680 kbps upstream> (Thats top of the line, ie the most $$). All the others programs offer 90 kbps upstream.
Also you get "dropped" at the phone company switching station, where you tie in to one of a few"approvd" ISPs.
It seems faster than ISDN (128 kbps) though.
Also, with DSL there's almost no comitted information rate. I think the CIR for a 256k line is 10k. (at least here in oregon)
Is there anywhere in the UK that's reliable for co-location, outside of London? UK prices for least lines are worse than the US so I find it hard to believe tht no one has taken the initiative? Perhaps I should get a consortium together to set something up in the Manchester(Norht West) area?
A little bit about VIIS (http://www.viis.net)
The Frontier GlobalCenter facility in Sunnyvale is generally regarded as one of the very best facilities in the world (that's why Yahoo and many other big-name sites co-locate there). The bandwidth is clean, and the facility is superb. However, it has been the experience of many smaller companies that they have a tendency to pay more attention to the larger clients... as far as I know, they're not even setting up new accounts at less than 2mbps.
One of the things that we offer is server co-location in this facility in our own private server farm. You'll get the same quality of network services (ie; bandwidth, availability, and power redundancy) without the cost of a 2mbps connection and the rental of a rack. Typically, you'd end up paying upwards of $2000 for simple co-lo in Sunnyvale. Because we buy in bulk, and manage our space and connectivity ourselves, we can offer co-location for much, much less.
You can also get actual rack space from us at discounted rates, and run a T-1 off it like Exodus (someone mentioned that in a post here too..)
But what we really pride ourselves on is the level of personal attention and caring we give to our customers. We are always here to help our customers grow and become successful.
By the way, someone mentioned Verio.... I also suggest you stay away from them. Their network management philosophy leaves something to be desired. We've had quite a few customers from Verio tell us how horrible their customer service is as well (ie; I don't have a phone number to call, and I don't know the name of my rep!).
Feel free to drop me a note if you'd like more information...
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Just in case anyone feels like saying hi!
Grant
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Gack, before you give advice please do some research. Just because the major consumer-oriented DSL is assymetric, that doesn't mean it *has* to be. You're thinking about ADSL, many companies also offer SDSL (also called plain "DSL") which is symmetric. Here in Boston you can get SDSL at rates of 1.5Mbps (symmetric) and possibly even higher.
Posted by d106ene5:
yahoo does not have 1100 web servers.
yahoo has servers with many co-locations, not just frontier. they also use exodus and level 3.
Hello,
The DSL Package you are talking about for 7.1 megabits downstream and 640kb upstream only offers one ip address. And it costs like $189 with internet connection. Now lets get real here people. 7 megabits of bandwidth for $189, at that price you'll never get 7 megabits. The way BellAtlantic does dsl, and other places too, is that they take a large OC-3 pipe and hook it up to several dsl multiplexors. Then they just run all their customers into the multiplexors. If they hookup like 1000 customers to one OC-3, its gonna be kinda hard to get 7.1 megabits of bandwidth. If you need a serious DSL connection, try www.flashcom.com. They offer some pretty good sdsl packages for the price.
Just my two cents...
Sujit Mohanty
shellx@smxtech.com
Yeah, I just got offered a job there in Colorado. Got to see the colocation center, and it is gigantic. The really cool thing is they bought the building from US West because it sits on three different power grids.
I've been in this business a long time, and I have never seen a bigger data center in my life. Their plan is a global ip network, with a terrabit+ backbone.
Needless to say, I accepted the job offer.
Hehe, 7mbps of bandwidth for $189??? If only bandwidth were that cheap in the real world.
The points above are all valid.. I'd just like to add this: in the real world of co-lo services, the going rate for bandwidth is $1000 to $1200 per 1mbps of monthly usage. It don't get cheaper than that... if it does, something is wrong.
By the way, someone below works for VIIS and posted about them... I highly suggest you guys take a look at them. Their bandwidth is cheap and their service awesome.
They're very good at high-bandwidth sites like ours.