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JSetiTracker 1.0.4b is now available
jsrbirch writes "JSetiTracker, a 100% Pure Java add-on client for the SETI@home software is available now for preview.
Features include:
Logging of WU's;
SkyMap;
Coordinate Tracker(New);
Dynamically generated image from SkyView
that tracks your WU progress across the
sky;
Vital Stats(CPU, Power, Gaussian).
Check it out! "
Would these be the same ignorant masses who have difficulty spelling and writing a clear sentence when they post?
Perhaps you mean the ignorant masses who have an irrational need to prove their intelligence by flaming a programming languange -- as if anyone cares.
I agree. I wish those ignorant masses would shut up.
Perhaps they could make an embedded java client for the phone and refrigerator? :-)
If this client had been written in Tcl or Perl, I doubt the same people would be complaining, even though Tcl/Perl are clearly orders of magnitude slower than the newest JITs (except in certain domains like Regexps)
Is Slashdot really about news for nerds, or is it news for people who only love Linux and C and can't be bothered to learn or respect anything else?
Will JSetiTracker 1.0.4c be even more of an improvement? I'll have to check Slashdot every hour to find out, lest I miss this tidbit of news!
Or you could join the Yeti project and use your computer to search for Bigfoot.
you don't need to have the source and you won't have it because you have no clue how that stuff works and you won't make it better.
tired of that OSS crap...
So buy more RAM... RAM is cheap these days. I just ordered my new dual box with 256 megs.
The behavior of the "supervisors" handing out the shocks quickly degeneratred into sadism and abuse of power. They eventually were adminstering "electric shocks" left and right like madmen. The experiment showed how a little power in the hands of untrained individuals quickly degenerated into abuse of power. Another interesting aspect of the experiement was the inverse coreleation of IQ to abuse of power: "supervisors" in the experiement with the lowest IQs were the most likely to adminsiter the most "shocks" and abuse their authority.
The slashdot moderation experiment all too clearly confirms these results.
It's a quickie fun-util that will still soak up less than 2% CPU on any PII. Probably less than your resource monitor applet.
Lighten up.
Java was a fine choice. Covers win32 and Linux with minimal tweaking. Would you rather they just did an MS Visual C++ client for Winders?
Yea I don't know what it is about Java hating Linux geeks, but they seem to have taken every little bit of MS FUD about Java and swallowed it hook line and sinker. This Java geek wishes you guys would be a little more open minded.
I write simulation code for a living, and my Java code is _much_ faster than the previous generation C++ code I inhereited, esp. since its real OO and I can easily remove pieces (GUI, etc..) when they aren't needed.
Just rememeber, its not the tool, its how you use it.
[Same poster as above]
btw, did George Jr. really say that? I've been thinking that I can't support Gore, even though I'd like to, 'cause he and Tipper have no respect for civil liberties, but its sounding like Bush is even worse. Do you have a reference on this quote?
Oh come on. Download the Java GUI and you'll see that it only updates once every ten seconds, it doesn't even show up on "top". This will hardly suck useful juice from the seti processor...
Please try it out at least before you send nasty remarks. Also, Java is way faster than TK. The only difference is that yes, Java does indeed take more memory, but if your machine cannot handle it, then don't run the gui.
Dennis Keller
Bloated memory usage is a sign of poor programming
It leads to poor cache utilization, slow load times, dead code execution, increased opportunities for bugs etc. The fact that some piece of software is all singing/all dancing is irrelevant if only a fraction of the functionality is being used.
I just wish that he hadn't used the JFC/Swing stuff. The Swing package is _very_ slow on older systems (e.g. P133, PPC 601, etc.) It looks like he's not really making use of the Swing widgets anyway, so might as well just use the standard AWT.
Maybe one of the other GUI frontends (TkSeti?) could add the star chart / plot of all workunits done against the sky? This is the feature that looked most interesting to me from the Java version. (I don't think TkSeti currently has this feature, does it?)
Forwarded from the linux.kernel list:
Just a heads-up: somebody is sending out fake emails that claim to be from
me, and that have me endorsing the Java client for Seti@Home.
The reason I know somebody is faking emails is that I got a bounce from
one of them.
If somebody on the kernel list gets a message that claims to be from
"Linus Torvalds " with a subject line of
"Seti@Home user interface", it is fake.
I'd like to see the full headers from such a message, to see if it shows
where it is really originating from: the bounced message does not contain
the original headers..
I assume it is a mass-posting trying to market Seti@Home or the particular
client in question, and I'm not all that amused.
Linus
PS. Although I have to admit that the first line brought a grin: "Being
the awesome Linux stud that I am.."
This isn't freshmeat.
Really... I thought kernel of the month and stuff had already been hashed out in the past and decided not important. finger @linux.kernel.org
Posted by zyberphox:
Yes,. i wish they release the source code, bcoz it so slow in java
If this post is moderated down oh well.
The seti client alone uses 16 megs of memory. Now there's a Java application which requires 20 megs for the JVM. On a dual processor you'll want to run two in parallel which adds another 16 megs. By that time a $70 128 Meg SDRAM isn't so big anymore. I'll stick to tkseti.
I thought it was somewhat interesting until I found out there wasn't any source. Rather than security through obscurity, seti@home should have come up with a way of verifying results. Then we'd get something more out there than boring front-ends and closed source.
If they are allowing select people access to the code, somebody should make a real screensaver for Linux too. A hack for xscreensaver would do, with a starfield and some dancing aliens.
I trust the Seti organization, and I have downloaded and run their client for some time now.
That's not "their" client, SETI@Home is an independent project
It's rather well explain ed on the SETI@Home web site, just look more closely.
Trust no one... Especially if they're trying to get elected.
(offtopic, I know, but in answer to a direct question...)
Ooo, this together with the soon-to-be ubiquitous availability of the JVM for palmtops, plus wireless connectivity means... Yes ! Soon we can donate to worthy causes the idle CPU cycles of our PDAs as well. Another great step forward in conspicuous power consumption ! (What's that you say ? Depleting the batteries ? If you're a true geek your Palm runs on rechargeables and stays docked all the time anyway - it's not as if you were leaving home that often...)
Score 0, insiteful.
Taco, do you even look at what your apointed moderators do. Most likely you do, and you let this to continue on?
I ate my tag line.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
*Still* no client for my Linux/PPC machine. Ever hear "build it and they will come?" OPEN SOURCE AND WE WILL PORT! Who gives a rat's ass if there's a pretty java client? The sum_bitch could be rendering Episode II for all we know. I ain't havin' it! *grumble*
Death to Argument by Slogan!! (This post twice-encrypted with ROT-13. Replies not using same will be ignored)
The exhibit of which you speak is at the Ontario Science Centre in Toronto. It tells the story of these experiments.
[We don't come from a planet. We come from a grid sector.]
How about right now? I trust the Seti organization, and I have downloaded and run their client for some time now. But who is this? Does anyone know? Can any reputable third party verify that this isn't malicious code? For that matter, can anyone verify that it is correct?? No offense intended for the creator, I happen to really like the idea of what you're doing. But I don't know ya, and I don't trust ya. :^)
... a cool graphic to make up for the not-windows versions not having the screen saver! Gotta try this.
here we go again...
:-)
sure, its a waste - its all relative to what you consider 'useful'. I think its interesting and that's why I run it. I'm sure there's a non-zero probablility of finding something, then again I'm sure there is also a non-zero probablility that OJ didn't do it.
Must we go through this entire discussion of seti vs rc5 vs something else more useful yet again?
Isn't re-hashing these stale arguments a waste of cpu/bandwidth/time also?
Running this in java will take away valuable alien search'in cpu cycles.
not as much as turning off your computer
its funny, how a valid argument against Java gets moderated down. While this doesn't.
cheese logs keep my wang warm at night.
... do you think it will be until people start complaing that the source isn't available?
-ElJefe
This is nice, but are there any plans to open-source it? I would really like to clean up that gui.
Also, somebody said "many other clients". Are there many other frontends, and does anybody have links?
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
Well, I actually haven't ever entered in that argument...so let me just say my piece here.
Yes, Seti is a slim, almost-zero, non-zero chance. Yet there is still the chance, and because the event would be so stupendous, the chance is weighted.
As far as I know cracking RC5 is no mystery. We learn nothing. We know it CAN be done. So we just do it. There is no point. It's like two children competing to count higher than each other. * The value of RC5 cracking is that the show of power keeps pressure on governments and other agencies, and the field cryptography in general. *
When we crack RC5 I get no return. Nothing. Yay. If we find an alien civilization however that is a tremendous return.
Yes, I accept that the cycles I put into SETI will *most probably* result in nothing. However I also KNOW that the cycles I put into RC5 WILL amount to nothing. It's just my choice. Looking for aliens makes me feel good. For some, cracking big strings of numbers does the same. If anything, we are at least giving scientists some work (I don't think they could possibly analyze all this junk themselves).
If RC5 was some big NP incomplete problem of great human significance, I'd throw all I have at it.
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
http://www.roving-mouse.com/setiathome/
has more of the statistics you seem to be wanting.
I don't really care what people do with their computers (unless it affects me or my computer), but it scares me to think of all the people now leaving their computers on all the time just to run the RC5 client, SETI client, Mersenne prime client, etc.
Running it on a machine that stays up 24/7 anyway? Hey, great, all the power to ya.
Running it on your home computer that normally gets one hour of use a day? Blah... Turn that thing off when you're not using it and save some money on your electric bill.
It's nice to see all these graphical representations of SETI, but to the ordinary person, these frequencies, waves, gaussians(sp?), spikes, etc etc etc mean little. I'm more interested in project stats rather than an analysis of the data being crunched. One thing I especially like about rc5 is the amount of information about the project available. This is the sort of stuff I understand.