No, that is not what is meant by Social Capital. "Social Capital" is a capitalistic way of describing why it's good to have friends and family and to be good to them. "Spending" of yourself, mostly in the form of time and attention, on your friends and family is putting social "currency" in the "bank." Later, when your life goes to hell to a greater or lesser extent, you make "withdrawls" from this social bank in the form of them spending time and attention on you but also in more concrete forms like a place to sleep, a good interview suit or even a cash loan. It can go beyond friends and family to more casual relationships such as being friendly with a neighbor or a guy at the mini-mart.
Part of me believes this is a crass and depressing way to look at it but another part appreciates how sensible and pragmatic it makes having friends sound. Maybe I should get me some.
Fortunately, you're wrong. There are always other pieces to the puzzle and I'm sure some vendors screw around with their software but there are many implementations which are compatible. Win2k, OpenBSD, PGPNet, Checkpoint, etc. can all work between each other.
The question of which type of VPN is still very relevant. If it's PPTP (which it probably is), then TunnelBuilder for Classic MacOS will be the solution. If there's a PPTP client for *BSDs, I'm sure someone will port it to Mac OS X. If it's IPSec then its probably PGPNet (part of the commercial PGP) for Classic Mac and who-knows-what for OS X.
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You don't have to format a drive or partition to switch from FAT to NTFS. NT and 2000 include a conversion program called, wait for it, convert.exe. The 2000 version works on FAT16 and FAT32.
I don't use a service like myplay because I don't want to dribble tracks into it, I want whole albums but the sites don't want to make it easy to upload tracks en masse. If I could rip my CDs and send them straight to a server I'd do it and pay for it. I'm not sure how much I'd be willing to pay but having server development and maintenance, bandwidth costs and data integrity someone else's problem is definitely worth at least the $50/year my.mp3 costs.
I'm also irritated by the waste of the locker systems. You know that lots and lots of tracks are duplicated in lots and lots of lockers. Those services should be able to eliminate that redundancy (with customer approval of course).
What would be really great would be to have a combination system where you wouldn't have to waste time and bandwidth ripping tracks already in the site's database, like my.mp3 beaming, but could also augment it with the stuff you rip because they don't have it in their database.
I think Vorbis is a good thing but to say that your files in are in that format is "best of all" seems pretty weird. Wouldn't you say being able to listen to good music from where ever or being able listen to a mix of only things you like are more important than the file format? If not, if using a Free file format is "best" maybe you're brainwashed by RMS.
Only 20,000? I guess the rest all went off to Napster when my.mp3 first had to shut down. I signed up with my.mp3 fairly early and have been using it since it came back online. I still have most (88) of my beamed albums listed (tho' I'm pretty pissed they just had to take the Judgement Night soundtrack off for licensing reasons). I haven't tried to add more since they came back because I feared some fuck-up would cause me to lose some or all of the ones I listen to now.
I think $50/year is pretty good for the service they provide but I'm not ready to pay yet. I'm afraid they won't last until the end of the year and frankly I don't have that many new albums to add anyway. When I first signed up I spent an evening beaming my cds. I guess about 75% of my collection was in their collection. Of course some of the best stuff is in the 25% and maybe 5 of the cds were not from a significant label. Even if their batting average hasn't improved I'd pay if I could have some assurance about their survival.
Even the video camera surveillance system in Britain mentioned on Slashdot occasionally is a far cry from Orwell's world; some people seem to have forgotten that when you're in public, well, you're in public, and you shouldn't have any expectation of privacy anyway. Or perhaps that's just British society's view, and U.S. society is different? I don't know.
I think the worrysome thing about the pervasive cameras on streets in Britain is they may change what being in public means. Before, if someone wanted to watch what you're doing as you're making your way about town, they had to follow you. This is not always easy and the person being followed could possibly spot the tail. Being in public meant you can see me but I can see you. The cameras allow you to be followed invisibly, you never know if someone is watching you through the camera, you're in the panopticon. It's not the same as being seen by others on the street.
Generally people, at least in big cities, feel that despite (or because of) the large number of people around them, no one is watching *them*. But being under the "gaze" of a camera isn't like that. The other people have other things to attend to but the cameras and the people behind the cameras are there specifically to watch. That plants the question, "are they watching me?" Say hello to the cop in your head. He isn't like that friendly little cricket who is your conscience, he's a big, broad guy who taps you on your shoulder with his baton at the most unexpected moments. [Okay, that's over the top but I'm serious about the "cop in your head" thing.]
What's really creepy is the combination of cameras and face recognition software. I'm not sure how likely it is, at least within the next 5-10 years, but the two combined could make tracking the activities of individuals on the street as automatic as a Doubleclick cookie. Actually they'd want to throw in some license plate reading software too, which is much easier to do.
I think there's an important distinction to be made about different camera systems. I think to be a serious privacy concern the cameras have to all be part of the same system. Law enforcement today sometimes collects surveillance tapes from a variety of places around the scene of a crime, building cameras, ATMs, etc. It's a lot of work but they do it when it's worth the effort. The fact that it requires effort and is difficult or impossible for individuals outside of law enforcement to take advantage of that makes the difference. A city-wide camera network may be meant for law enforcement purposes but it's easy to abuse so it will be, either by law enforcement people or others.
Before starting my M.S. at RIT I had to take a two course sequence in a "major" programming language. I took both 0602-208 "Introduction to Programming" then 0602-210 "Programming With Classes" online. These are in the IT department rather than CS so I don't know if that makes a difference.
I took them in '98 but my understanding is the classes are mostly the same. I had an instruction packet and video tapes created by the department. The real action was in working on the labs and participating in a class online forum using FirstClass (a great system born of BBS roots with Mac & Windows clients and a somewhat inferior web interface). I think the video tapes have been replaced with streaming video or something. It's not a big deal, you don't really need to watch them, they mostly helped me get the feel for the compiler.
Unless they've switched, a Windows Borland compiler is used for the class but for 208 I actually used CodeWarrior on a Mac. For 210 I had to get a PC and Borland because we had to turn in the object files as well as source.
You can check Open/Closed Courses yourself by clicking on the link by that name on this page http://www.rit.edu/~webtools/infocenter/
All sections of distance courses have numbers ending in 9x (90, 91, etc.). Today it appears there's one slot left in 0602-208-90. If there's enough demand additional sections of distance courses are sometimes added.
While theirs look more stylish and polished, the goggles look a lot like the (U.S.) Civil Defense eyewear I have. The box doesn't state it explicitly but I think mine are to protect the wearer's eyes in the event of a nuclear blast. They're dark as hell, you might as well be blindfolded if you wear them at night, but look pretty cool. They were the perfect addition to my Barbaque Chef of the Apocalypse costume one year.
As for where to find such stuff, I'd say Army surplus stores and whereever posh welders shop.
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I'm basically pro-Mac (I'm typing this on my G4) and think overall its an excellent environment but what's the justification for saying ProTools and Photoshop on the Mac is better than ProTools and Photoshop on Windows? Is it purely the Altivec accelleration you're talking about or are there features within the software packages themselves which are superior in the Mac version over the Windows version?
If CoyoteLinux used more than one floppy I couldn't reboot the 486 under my desk with just my toe! (I don't blame distro for needing to reboot, I'm still running a very early release.)
Bootable CDs can be a pain in the butt because you have to re-burn them every time you want to make a change. Plus my router doesn't have a CD-ROM and most of the crap machines I can get my hands on seem to have failed CD-ROM drives.
I think LRP has 2 floppy options for those who really want to load up the RAM disk but CoyoteLinux has a pretty well focused purpose.
Right, the PPCs are great processors but Macs are purely consumer and content creation boxes (which I happen to love).
Look at the Apple Store http://store.apple.com/ where's the word "server" anywhere? Then look at the hardware. Where's the hardware RAID card? Where are the hot-swap drive bays? Where's the redundant power supply? Where's the rack mount case? Where's the ECC RAM? Where's the tape drive? Where's the clustering options?
Sure, a lot of these things can be worked around but it all comes down to a lot more work, cost, and inferior support when compared to Win2k or UNIX systems which have it all in one neat package.
Apple should either certify 3rd parties to make mid and high-level Mac servers or work out something with IBM to make servers in that class.
BTW, dealing with consumer-level customer support is *not* the same as dealing with support for major accounts or servers. Most of my experience in those categories has been with Gateway and Dell and I've been happy with both.
Melissa/ILOVEYOU are fundamentally due to problems in Outlook, not Windows. Yes, they run under the Windows Scripting Host (WSH). Y'know what WSH basically is? It's Microsoft's take on Perl. If Pine or Mutt were designed to automatically run attached shell or perl scripts, at least as much harm could be done by those scripts as by those Windows worms.
The web site doesn't seem to mention it anywhere else but the user guide and data sheet for the SMC 2652W mentions supporting 128 and 64 bit WEP (D-link's only supports 40 bit).
Typically other companies like Lucent charge extra for the 128 bit cards. SMC's access point (as you would guess) also supports 128 bit.
Actually, how does D-Link's 40 bit WEP work with other products? I'm accustomed to Orinoco Silver cards which support 64 bit WEP. Can other products use weaker keys to match what the D-Link is capable of or can the D-Link onlly use its WEP with other products that support specifically 40 bit keys? I suspect the latter. That would be important if WEP is required in an environment.
The beauty of my.mp3.com was that you didn't have to take the time or bandwidth to upload your CDs. I spent about 4 hours running ~120 CDs through BeamIt, had about a 75% hit rate, and was done.
Myplay.com and a couple other sites which let you upload mp3s all do it per track which is pretty gruelling.
I think I would pay $50/year to have the same my.mp3.com service I had before the RIAA shutdown. This reinserting CD thing could be a deal breaker but it really depends on how they implement it. If I'm at work and suddenly I can't use the site at all because I don't have my CDs here, it's worthless to me. I think my limit is once a week, *at my convenience*, to insert the CD of their choice.
I'm disturbed about the direct marketing aspects but again the details will matter.
I'm wondering where this download vs. stream rumor came from. At the moment I'm listening to my shuffled "Women" playlist at my.mp3.com and it's streaming just like it was before the RIAA shutdown (I also haven't paid and don't see anything about paying on the site yet).
This review http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2000q3/kenwood7 2x/ found significant problems with the quality of the Kenwood's Direct Audio Extraction. They were particularly a problem for a less than new disk which may not be an issue for the person asking the question.
What if I used the same username/assword on every website? Now the hacker has
access to my ebay, amazon, buy.com, etc accounts, all because Rob never fixed a major,
3-year-old security glitch.
No, now some hacker has access to all your accounts because you're a fucking idiot. No amount of server security can replace good password hiegene on the user's part. In fact Slashdot was hacked due to bad password hiegene (not changing a default one), not poorly implemented security.
Besides, why should a silly little web log have security to protect the crown jewels?
Also use Folder Options to turn off Remember each folder's view settings (this is a Win98 thing too). That way when you are using Detail view, you stay in Detail view as you move on to other folders.
I haven't tried Launch folder windows in a separate process. Making it global seems like a bad idea but I'd like to turn it on just when I'm accessing network folders. Problems with using network folders tends to make explorer crash and I lose some of my icons in the System Tray.
The Control Panel sub-menu and other sub-menus are nice and there's a hack to do something like them in NT as well. You just create a folder in your Start menu with the CLSID of the object as it's filename (I think it's a CLSID, it's a long alphanumeric string). Check jsinc.com for the details.
Canter and Siegel were lawyers advertising their services to people who wanted green cards (U.S. papers permitting foreign nationals to work in the country).
I've got a copy of it right here. It is so info-light it might be okay for one reading if you've never done anything with UNIX but you won't refer back to it much. The chapter which explains the UNIX equivalents of common DOS commands is handy tho'.
The Visual Quickstart Guide to UNIX does the same job better. It has good appendices too. Appendix A is called UNIX Reference and has condensed info in tables like listing the standard directories with descriptions or commands for controlling file permissions and ownership.
A another book which really answers the original question is O'Reilly's UNIX in a Nutshell. It's commands section is very readable.
Ergo, I report every TCP Port Scan of my systems to the proper authorities (ISPs, etc.).
Sure, why not, it's your time to waste. Get your jollies how you like 'em. I wish the folks local to me would do it by email instead of newsgroups (or that a newsgroup be set up *just* for that) but it's no big deal.
When
I find someone running a SATAN-type scanner (more aggressive than just TCP port scanning)
against my systems I report to legal authorities.
That's definitely someone looking cause trouble (unless they go the IP wrong). I'd still go to your ISP and offenders ISP first. The offender deserves to get their wrists slapped. You get law enforcement involved straight off, you're either going to start annoying them (because it's gonna happen more than once) or if an investigation actually gets anywhere, the process is going to get your time tied up. Again, it's your time.
Slashdot Mirror
No, that is not what is meant by Social Capital. "Social Capital" is a capitalistic way of describing why it's good to have friends and family and to be good to them. "Spending" of yourself, mostly in the form of time and attention, on your friends and family is putting social "currency" in the "bank." Later, when your life goes to hell to a greater or lesser extent, you make "withdrawls" from this social bank in the form of them spending time and attention on you but also in more concrete forms like a place to sleep, a good interview suit or even a cash loan. It can go beyond friends and family to more casual relationships such as being friendly with a neighbor or a guy at the mini-mart.
Part of me believes this is a crass and depressing way to look at it but another part appreciates how sensible and pragmatic it makes having friends sound. Maybe I should get me some.
The freeware PGPNet only does point to point encryption. To connect to an office VPN gateway, you have to buy PGP.
Fortunately, you're wrong. There are always other pieces to the puzzle and I'm sure some vendors screw around with their software but there are many implementations which are compatible. Win2k, OpenBSD, PGPNet, Checkpoint, etc. can all work between each other.
The question of which type of VPN is still very relevant. If it's PPTP (which it probably is), then TunnelBuilder for Classic MacOS will be the solution. If there's a PPTP client for *BSDs, I'm sure someone will port it to Mac OS X. If it's IPSec then its probably PGPNet (part of the commercial PGP) for Classic Mac and who-knows-what for OS X.
You don't have to format a drive or partition to switch from FAT to NTFS. NT and 2000 include a conversion program called, wait for it, convert.exe. The 2000 version works on FAT16 and FAT32.
Bloody stool.
I don't use a service like myplay because I don't want to dribble tracks into it, I want whole albums but the sites don't want to make it easy to upload tracks en masse. If I could rip my CDs and send them straight to a server I'd do it and pay for it. I'm not sure how much I'd be willing to pay but having server development and maintenance, bandwidth costs and data integrity someone else's problem is definitely worth at least the $50/year my.mp3 costs.
I'm also irritated by the waste of the locker systems. You know that lots and lots of tracks are duplicated in lots and lots of lockers. Those services should be able to eliminate that redundancy (with customer approval of course).
What would be really great would be to have a combination system where you wouldn't have to waste time and bandwidth ripping tracks already in the site's database, like my.mp3 beaming, but could also augment it with the stuff you rip because they don't have it in their database.
I think Vorbis is a good thing but to say that your files in are in that format is "best of all" seems pretty weird. Wouldn't you say being able to listen to good music from where ever or being able listen to a mix of only things you like are more important than the file format? If not, if using a Free file format is "best" maybe you're brainwashed by RMS.
Only 20,000? I guess the rest all went off to Napster when my.mp3 first had to shut down. I signed up with my.mp3 fairly early and have been using it since it came back online. I still have most (88) of my beamed albums listed (tho' I'm pretty pissed they just had to take the Judgement Night soundtrack off for licensing reasons). I haven't tried to add more since they came back because I feared some fuck-up would cause me to lose some or all of the ones I listen to now.
I think $50/year is pretty good for the service they provide but I'm not ready to pay yet. I'm afraid they won't last until the end of the year and frankly I don't have that many new albums to add anyway. When I first signed up I spent an evening beaming my cds. I guess about 75% of my collection was in their collection. Of course some of the best stuff is in the 25% and maybe 5 of the cds were not from a significant label. Even if their batting average hasn't improved I'd pay if I could have some assurance about their survival.
Generally people, at least in big cities, feel that despite (or because of) the large number of people around them, no one is watching *them*. But being under the "gaze" of a camera isn't like that. The other people have other things to attend to but the cameras and the people behind the cameras are there specifically to watch. That plants the question, "are they watching me?" Say hello to the cop in your head. He isn't like that friendly little cricket who is your conscience, he's a big, broad guy who taps you on your shoulder with his baton at the most unexpected moments. [Okay, that's over the top but I'm serious about the "cop in your head" thing.]
What's really creepy is the combination of cameras and face recognition software. I'm not sure how likely it is, at least within the next 5-10 years, but the two combined could make tracking the activities of individuals on the street as automatic as a Doubleclick cookie. Actually they'd want to throw in some license plate reading software too, which is much easier to do.
I think there's an important distinction to be made about different camera systems. I think to be a serious privacy concern the cameras have to all be part of the same system. Law enforcement today sometimes collects surveillance tapes from a variety of places around the scene of a crime, building cameras, ATMs, etc. It's a lot of work but they do it when it's worth the effort. The fact that it requires effort and is difficult or impossible for individuals outside of law enforcement to take advantage of that makes the difference. A city-wide camera network may be meant for law enforcement purposes but it's easy to abuse so it will be, either by law enforcement people or others.
Before starting my M.S. at RIT I had to take a two course sequence in a "major" programming language. I took both 0602-208 "Introduction to Programming" then 0602-210 "Programming With Classes" online. These are in the IT department rather than CS so I don't know if that makes a difference.
I took them in '98 but my understanding is the classes are mostly the same. I had an instruction packet and video tapes created by the department. The real action was in working on the labs and participating in a class online forum using FirstClass (a great system born of BBS roots with Mac & Windows clients and a somewhat inferior web interface). I think the video tapes have been replaced with streaming video or something. It's not a big deal, you don't really need to watch them, they mostly helped me get the feel for the compiler.
Unless they've switched, a Windows Borland compiler is used for the class but for 208 I actually used CodeWarrior on a Mac. For 210 I had to get a PC and Borland because we had to turn in the object files as well as source.
You can check Open/Closed Courses yourself by clicking on the link by that name on this page http://www.rit.edu/~webtools/infocenter/
All sections of distance courses have numbers ending in 9x (90, 91, etc.). Today it appears there's one slot left in 0602-208-90. If there's enough demand additional sections of distance courses are sometimes added.
SSH's own Win32 SFTP client is good.
.edu, I think you can use it for free.
http://www.ssh.com/products/ssh/
Based on your
Unfortunately I haven't seen one for Classic Mac yet. At least command line will be an option with OS X.
While theirs look more stylish and polished, the goggles look a lot like the (U.S.) Civil Defense eyewear I have. The box doesn't state it explicitly but I think mine are to protect the wearer's eyes in the event of a nuclear blast. They're dark as hell, you might as well be blindfolded if you wear them at night, but look pretty cool. They were the perfect addition to my Barbaque Chef of the Apocalypse costume one year.
As for where to find such stuff, I'd say Army surplus stores and whereever posh welders shop.
I'm basically pro-Mac (I'm typing this on my G4) and think overall its an excellent environment but what's the justification for saying ProTools and Photoshop on the Mac is better than ProTools and Photoshop on Windows? Is it purely the Altivec accelleration you're talking about or are there features within the software packages themselves which are superior in the Mac version over the Windows version?
If CoyoteLinux used more than one floppy I couldn't reboot the 486 under my desk with just my toe! (I don't blame distro for needing to reboot, I'm still running a very early release.)
Bootable CDs can be a pain in the butt because you have to re-burn them every time you want to make a change. Plus my router doesn't have a CD-ROM and most of the crap machines I can get my hands on seem to have failed CD-ROM drives.
I think LRP has 2 floppy options for those who really want to load up the RAM disk but CoyoteLinux has a pretty well focused purpose.
Right, the PPCs are great processors but Macs are purely consumer and content creation boxes (which I happen to love).
Look at the Apple Store http://store.apple.com/ where's the word "server" anywhere? Then look at the hardware. Where's the hardware RAID card? Where are the hot-swap drive bays? Where's the redundant power supply? Where's the rack mount case? Where's the ECC RAM? Where's the tape drive? Where's the clustering options?
Sure, a lot of these things can be worked around but it all comes down to a lot more work, cost, and inferior support when compared to Win2k or UNIX systems which have it all in one neat package.
Apple should either certify 3rd parties to make mid and high-level Mac servers or work out something with IBM to make servers in that class.
BTW, dealing with consumer-level customer support is *not* the same as dealing with support for major accounts or servers. Most of my experience in those categories has been with Gateway and Dell and I've been happy with both.
Melissa/ILOVEYOU are fundamentally due to problems in Outlook, not Windows. Yes, they run under the Windows Scripting Host (WSH). Y'know what WSH basically is? It's Microsoft's take on Perl. If Pine or Mutt were designed to automatically run attached shell or perl scripts, at least as much harm could be done by those scripts as by those Windows worms.
http://www.smc.com/smc/drivers/manuals/wireless/26 32.pdf
Typically other companies like Lucent charge extra for the 128 bit cards. SMC's access point (as you would guess) also supports 128 bit.
Actually, how does D-Link's 40 bit WEP work with other products? I'm accustomed to Orinoco Silver cards which support 64 bit WEP. Can other products use weaker keys to match what the D-Link is capable of or can the D-Link onlly use its WEP with other products that support specifically 40 bit keys? I suspect the latter. That would be important if WEP is required in an environment.
The beauty of my.mp3.com was that you didn't have to take the time or bandwidth to upload your CDs. I spent about 4 hours running ~120 CDs through BeamIt, had about a 75% hit rate, and was done.
Myplay.com and a couple other sites which let you upload mp3s all do it per track which is pretty gruelling.
I think I would pay $50/year to have the same my.mp3.com service I had before the RIAA shutdown. This reinserting CD thing could be a deal breaker but it really depends on how they implement it. If I'm at work and suddenly I can't use the site at all because I don't have my CDs here, it's worthless to me. I think my limit is once a week, *at my convenience*, to insert the CD of their choice.
I'm disturbed about the direct marketing aspects but again the details will matter.
I'm wondering where this download vs. stream rumor came from. At the moment I'm listening to my shuffled "Women" playlist at my.mp3.com and it's streaming just like it was before the RIAA shutdown (I also haven't paid and don't see anything about paying on the site yet).
This review http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2000q3/kenwood7 2x/ found significant problems with the quality of the Kenwood's Direct Audio Extraction. They were particularly a problem for a less than new disk which may not be an issue for the person asking the question.
http://macweek.zdnet.co m/2 000/10/29/1103jcwosx2unix.html
No, now some hacker has access to all your accounts because you're a fucking idiot. No amount of server security can replace good password hiegene on the user's part. In fact Slashdot was hacked due to bad password hiegene (not changing a default one), not poorly implemented security.
Besides, why should a silly little web log have security to protect the crown jewels?
I'm sure you meant JonKatz's password as "pity the fool who reads my writings" but it also works as "pity, the fool whore ads my writings."
Also use Folder Options to turn off Remember each folder's view settings (this is a Win98 thing too). That way when you are using Detail view, you stay in Detail view as you move on to other folders.
I haven't tried Launch folder windows in a separate process. Making it global seems like a bad idea but I'd like to turn it on just when I'm accessing network folders. Problems with using network folders tends to make explorer crash and I lose some of my icons in the System Tray.
The Control Panel sub-menu and other sub-menus are nice and there's a hack to do something like them in NT as well. You just create a folder in your Start menu with the CLSID of the object as it's filename (I think it's a CLSID, it's a long alphanumeric string). Check jsinc.com for the details.
Canter and Siegel were lawyers advertising their services to people who wanted green cards (U.S. papers permitting foreign nationals to work in the country).
r eport.html
ftp://d.armory.com/pub/user/leavitt/html/cands.
I've got a copy of it right here. It is so info-light it might be okay for one reading if you've never done anything with UNIX but you won't refer back to it much. The chapter which explains the UNIX equivalents of common DOS commands is handy tho'.
The Visual Quickstart Guide to UNIX does the same job better. It has good appendices too. Appendix A is called UNIX Reference and has condensed info in tables like listing the standard directories with descriptions or commands for controlling file permissions and ownership.
A another book which really answers the original question is O'Reilly's UNIX in a Nutshell. It's commands section is very readable.
Sure, why not, it's your time to waste. Get your jollies how you like 'em. I wish the folks local to me would do it by email instead of newsgroups (or that a newsgroup be set up *just* for that) but it's no big deal.
That's definitely someone looking cause trouble (unless they go the IP wrong). I'd still go to your ISP and offenders ISP first. The offender deserves to get their wrists slapped. You get law enforcement involved straight off, you're either going to start annoying them (because it's gonna happen more than once) or if an investigation actually gets anywhere, the process is going to get your time tied up. Again, it's your time.