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Red hat are a real part of the open source community and contribute an awful lot of code to Linux. They certainly haven't done it all, but they understand the spirit of open source and help out a lot. They aren't perfect, and I prefer other distributions, but Oracle haven't done anything for linux that wasn't to their direct advantage (making Oracle products run better.)
I agree with the assertations about Oracle Application Server - part of my job is administering it, and it's a shocking piece of junk at times. I really think that's why they wanted Jboss, they can see how much better the code is than their own offering:)
Oracle database is great, but it will be surpassed in the future by open source databases like Postgres and MySQL (both of which are also excellent databases.) The reason it costs so much, is because it makes people feel good that it costs so much - indeedd costs so much, because if it cost less, less people would buy it. Bizarre logic, but it's the way some people think! (especially IT managers in big organisations).
Very few people who make the purchasing decisions actually have any technical knowledge of the product they are buying. Oracle will do well out of this move since it allows old fashioned IT managers to buy into Linux without really buying into Linux. They can stay in that comfortable place where they sleep well at night. They say no one ever got fired for buying IBM. No one ever got fired for buying Oracle either, regardless of how much it costs, or how well it works. Despite Red Hat being a well known company, they're still a little too 'edgy' for some sections of the IT community. It doesn't matter that it's the same code...it has the Oracle logo on it now:)
Actually, yes - they were sentences. Well done, top marks. I'm glad you have at least one useful piece of knowledge to your name.
More insults I see, since you were unable to actually come up with a rational argument in support of your earlier comments. Oh well, I'm sure you'll come up with something that appears to make sense eventually, although it will probably hateful and selfish when it does come out.
Wow, what a surprise, another American who doesn't understand anything except money. Your society really stinks.
It's a good thing there are still good people in your country like Richard Stallman who will build a new society after you all kill each other with consumer nuclear weapons you can buy at Radio Shack.
See, there's an example of how restricting people's individual freedom benefits everyone's general freedoms. I'm sure it's *really* unfair that you can't buy nukes at Radio Shack, but it does help your neighbour's freedom to live in peace and security, with the reduced liklihood you'll blow the hell out of them when you get pissed off on Slashdot. Well, I suppose you'll have to fall back to your M16 instead.
It must be a nice place where you live, with all that hate inside you. You should join the army or something, I've heard they could do with ome more troops in Iraq.
...Then this will be a shocking wake up call to Oracle. Oracle don't do 'communities' and 'sharing' so well. Most of the best documentation on their products is inside Metalink, hidden away from the prying eyes of the less than 'enterprise' customers.
I'm an Oracle DBA, and I think that Oracle Database is a fantastic product, which is ultra reliable, scalable and well thought out. Support is generally pretty good, and it damn well ought to be for $25,000 a CPU!
Contrast that with Oracle Application Server which is a buggy, badly supported, badly thought out mesh of acquired code and Oracle 'improvements'. Since it's written in Java, it's quite easy to pull OC4J apart and look at the code if you so desire. We run an enterprise Java application on Oracle application server, and it is a _lot_ of trouble. Try it on AIX, with the IBM JDK. Even more fun to be had there:)
The trouble is, Oracle don't know much about Linux really. They don't contribute much to it, and this move is really riding off the back of other people's work. It's more about taking back what Redhat took from them - a decent and popular application server product. Why were they so keen to get hold of Jboss? I think it's proberbly because their existing application server is so shocking...
Oracle do some things well, but they don't do community support, sharing, or cheap products. If they truly are looking to take over Redhat, then that will be a sorry day for Linux.
I think Oracle have bitten off more than they can chew. I'm sure you'll be able to get 24x7 enterprise support, but it will be offshore, and you'll have to speak to 6 people and an account manager, 6 more people, a customer services representative, fill out a survey and then finally produce a test case to prove that there is a bug in their product, which would be obvious if you could actually speak to a devloper who spent twenty seconds looking at the code. Even IBM do Linux better.
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I agree with the assertations about Oracle Application Server - part of my job is administering it, and it's a shocking piece of junk at times. I really think that's why they wanted Jboss, they can see how much better the code is than their own offering :)
Oracle database is great, but it will be surpassed in the future by open source databases like Postgres and MySQL (both of which are also excellent databases.) The reason it costs so much, is because it makes people feel good that it costs so much - indeedd costs so much, because if it cost less, less people would buy it. Bizarre logic, but it's the way some people think! (especially IT managers in big organisations).
Very few people who make the purchasing decisions actually have any technical knowledge of the product they are buying. Oracle will do well out of this move since it allows old fashioned IT managers to buy into Linux without really buying into Linux. They can stay in that comfortable place where they sleep well at night. They say no one ever got fired for buying IBM. No one ever got fired for buying Oracle either, regardless of how much it costs, or how well it works. Despite Red Hat being a well known company, they're still a little too 'edgy' for some sections of the IT community. It doesn't matter that it's the same code...it has the Oracle logo on it now :)
Actually, yes - they were sentences. Well done, top marks. I'm glad you have at least one useful piece of knowledge to your name.
More insults I see, since you were unable to actually come up with a rational argument in support of your earlier comments. Oh well, I'm sure you'll come up with something that appears to make sense eventually, although it will probably hateful and selfish when it does come out.
Wow, what a surprise, another American who doesn't understand anything except money. Your society really stinks. It's a good thing there are still good people in your country like Richard Stallman who will build a new society after you all kill each other with consumer nuclear weapons you can buy at Radio Shack. See, there's an example of how restricting people's individual freedom benefits everyone's general freedoms. I'm sure it's *really* unfair that you can't buy nukes at Radio Shack, but it does help your neighbour's freedom to live in peace and security, with the reduced liklihood you'll blow the hell out of them when you get pissed off on Slashdot. Well, I suppose you'll have to fall back to your M16 instead. It must be a nice place where you live, with all that hate inside you. You should join the army or something, I've heard they could do with ome more troops in Iraq.
...Then this will be a shocking wake up call to Oracle. Oracle don't do 'communities' and 'sharing' so well. Most of the best documentation on their products is inside Metalink, hidden away from the prying eyes of the less than 'enterprise' customers. I'm an Oracle DBA, and I think that Oracle Database is a fantastic product, which is ultra reliable, scalable and well thought out. Support is generally pretty good, and it damn well ought to be for $25,000 a CPU! Contrast that with Oracle Application Server which is a buggy, badly supported, badly thought out mesh of acquired code and Oracle 'improvements'. Since it's written in Java, it's quite easy to pull OC4J apart and look at the code if you so desire. We run an enterprise Java application on Oracle application server, and it is a _lot_ of trouble. Try it on AIX, with the IBM JDK. Even more fun to be had there :)
The trouble is, Oracle don't know much about Linux really. They don't contribute much to it, and this move is really riding off the back of other people's work. It's more about taking back what Redhat took from them - a decent and popular application server product. Why were they so keen to get hold of Jboss? I think it's proberbly because their existing application server is so shocking...
Oracle do some things well, but they don't do community support, sharing, or cheap products. If they truly are looking to take over Redhat, then that will be a sorry day for Linux.
I think Oracle have bitten off more than they can chew. I'm sure you'll be able to get 24x7 enterprise support, but it will be offshore, and you'll have to speak to 6 people and an account manager, 6 more people, a customer services representative, fill out a survey and then finally produce a test case to prove that there is a bug in their product, which would be obvious if you could actually speak to a devloper who spent twenty seconds looking at the code. Even IBM do Linux better.