Its not the "things we dont like" bit. Its the part about how these guys have been posting up our home addresses, only to have our windows smashed , 24/7 death threat phone calls, and having to live in fear.
If you had one of your countries most notorious terrorist groups effectively put a 'fatwa' on your head, you'd be a bit peaved too yeah?
Well, Im one of the founders of the group that made the complaint, and I suppose I ought put this all into perspective.
The story didn't really tell the full side of the story. Yes the blogs are deeply deeply racist, and yes we don't like it, but thats not what the complaints actually about.
The problem is, these are "redwatch" sites. Now, if you've followed what unfolded with Redwatch UK, and Redwatch Poland, you'll get an insight as to exactly what about these sites raises our ire. First off, as a person on our forums put it:
"I'm trying to remember that old Voltaire quote about getting stabbed in the gut because there was a neo-Nazi hitlist with your street address on it, but it's not coming to me."
The "Patriot alliance downunder" (as known in australia as redwatch downunder) site, is run by one of the most notorious Neo-Nazi's in Australia "Ben Weerheym". This guy is a member of a group called the ANM, who where responsible for a 20 year terrorist campaign of fire bombings, bashings, murder and intimidation. Its pretty much the closest australia has had to a genuine Al Quaida type group, except neo nazi. On his release from prison on charges of vandalising a jewish temple in 2004, Ben went pretty quiet, and we assumed it was the last we would hear from him, but then the stupid fool sparked up again, and as usual went stalking members of the left and jewish and muslim groups. His Mentor Jack Van Tongeran is still awaiting charges on a conspiracy to assasinate the Attourney General, and theres talk of a conspiracy to blow up some shipping lines and stuff. This isnt your usual nutty ultra-conservative racist we are talking about here. Currently his site features names, addresses, phone numbers of all sorts of people he percieves to be threats, and since the first version of his site went up, there has been attempted assaults, a hit and run attempt, smashed windows, graffiti, you name it, directed at people who feature on his site. Its a hit list, that much is indisputable (despite the usual bullshit refrain from these sites that its "research"). Inciting and directing violence has always been unnaceptable in our society. Does doing it on the web make it right? Is it now cool to yell fire in a resturant?
The Red watch NZ sites possibly even more ominous. Nic Miller is a bonafide psychopath of the highest order. The New Zealand nazi scene is *verry* scary. Theres been multiple murders, bashings, arsons, you name it. And Nic Miller is widely regarded as one of the most unhinged members of that scene. The site is adamant that the people on there should have bad things done to them, and provides details on how to find those people. The above mention of the hit and run attack actually happened in NZ before Nic Miller took over maintaining the NZ portion of the hitlist, and... well, I won't engage in *technical* libel, but add up what I'm trying to say here.
One of the reassuring things is the NZ police are said to be in the process of investigating arresting the maintainer of the NZ site. Its still not sure the police response to the Australian site, as last our lawyers told us , the Director of public prosecutions was nervous about blowing a test case on certain technicalitys regarding identification.
The worst part of all of this? Most of the people on these sites have no interest in nazis. The sites feature a prominant conservative blogger, some tech guy who's now in pretty much crisis mode after he commited his simple crime of commenting on a blog what a nut he thinks nic is. Theres Journalists on there who where simply just doing there jobs before falling under the crosshairs, and some folks who's only crime is being jewish.
I havent even gone into the insane amounts of defamation on that site. All I can say is, if 1/10th of what those guys wrote about the target's of their hate where true, then damn it "The joooos" better hurry up with those paycheck's cos I aint seen a dime.
I'm sorry if some people want to hide behind the fre
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Its not the "things we dont like" bit. Its the part about how these guys have been posting up our home addresses, only to have our windows smashed , 24/7 death threat phone calls, and having to live in fear. If you had one of your countries most notorious terrorist groups effectively put a 'fatwa' on your head, you'd be a bit peaved too yeah?
Well, Im one of the founders of the group that made the complaint, and I suppose I ought put this all into perspective.
The story didn't really tell the full side of the story. Yes the blogs are deeply deeply racist, and yes we don't like it, but thats not what the complaints actually about.
The problem is, these are "redwatch" sites. Now, if you've followed what unfolded with Redwatch UK, and Redwatch Poland, you'll get an insight as to exactly what about these sites raises our ire. First off, as a person on our forums put it:
"I'm trying to remember that old Voltaire quote about getting stabbed in the gut because there was a neo-Nazi hitlist with your street address on it, but it's not coming to me."
The "Patriot alliance downunder" (as known in australia as redwatch downunder) site, is run by one of the most notorious Neo-Nazi's in Australia "Ben Weerheym". This guy is a member of a group called the ANM, who where responsible for a 20 year terrorist campaign of fire bombings, bashings, murder and intimidation. Its pretty much the closest australia has had to a genuine Al Quaida type group, except neo nazi. On his release from prison on charges of vandalising a jewish temple in 2004, Ben went pretty quiet, and we assumed it was the last we would hear from him, but then the stupid fool sparked up again, and as usual went stalking members of the left and jewish and muslim groups. His Mentor Jack Van Tongeran is still awaiting charges on a conspiracy to assasinate the Attourney General, and theres talk of a conspiracy to blow up some shipping lines and stuff. This isnt your usual nutty ultra-conservative racist we are talking about here. Currently his site features names, addresses, phone numbers of all sorts of people he percieves to be threats, and since the first version of his site went up, there has been attempted assaults, a hit and run attempt, smashed windows, graffiti, you name it, directed at people who feature on his site. Its a hit list, that much is indisputable (despite the usual bullshit refrain from these sites that its "research"). Inciting and directing violence has always been unnaceptable in our society. Does doing it on the web make it right? Is it now cool to yell fire in a resturant?
The Red watch NZ sites possibly even more ominous. Nic Miller is a bonafide psychopath of the highest order. The New Zealand nazi scene is *verry* scary. Theres been multiple murders, bashings, arsons, you name it. And Nic Miller is widely regarded as one of the most unhinged members of that scene. The site is adamant that the people on there should have bad things done to them, and provides details on how to find those people. The above mention of the hit and run attack actually happened in NZ before Nic Miller took over maintaining the NZ portion of the hitlist, and
One of the reassuring things is the NZ police are said to be in the process of investigating arresting the maintainer of the NZ site. Its still not sure the police response to the Australian site, as last our lawyers told us , the Director of public prosecutions was nervous about blowing a test case on certain technicalitys regarding identification.
The worst part of all of this? Most of the people on these sites have no interest in nazis. The sites feature a prominant conservative blogger, some tech guy who's now in pretty much crisis mode after he commited his simple crime of commenting on a blog what a nut he thinks nic is. Theres Journalists on there who where simply just doing there jobs before falling under the crosshairs, and some folks who's only crime is being jewish.
I havent even gone into the insane amounts of defamation on that site. All I can say is, if 1/10th of what those guys wrote about the target's of their hate where true, then damn it "The joooos" better hurry up with those paycheck's cos I aint seen a dime.
I'm sorry if some people want to hide behind the fre