Please read my post again, and smack yourself for me.
Especially the parts about "GNU", "RMS", and "common usage".
If you aren't unconscious by now, understand that in the common usage of the English language as regards this subject, everything in a "Linux distribution" will henceforth be referred to as "Linux" whether you like it or not. People will call Redhat 7, X, SuSE and ls "Linux". And they won't call Redhat 7 "Redhat 7.0", either. And no one will pronounce either "Linux" or "either" the same, either. Ha ha ha.
Okay? Are we done yet? --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Just because it was *also* one of those original Unix commands... well, Unix is used to namespace collisions. However, I'm sure any Unix purist would agree that the Linux command ls (GNU ls, that is) isn't Unix ls. Therefore, it's a Linux command.
(or, if you're RMS, a GNU/Linux command? Possibly a Linux GNU Userland Command? LGUC? Nah... just a Linux command; forget RMS, he doesn't understand about convenience and common usage in language at all. And if he rants one more time about it, I'm going to start calling him GNU/RMS, and start asking him for DNA samples so we can do research, and contribute the changes back...)
But you're right, that *is* confusing. Maybe we should start a dd FAQ, in the spirit of the Pong FAQ... --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I have a Matrox G400 Max; I compiled UTAH-GLX for it, and run XFree86, and it's *fast*, and I'm happy.
Therefore, I have this to say to people who try to sell commercial X-servers for Linux for my card for $200 and up: Nyah nyah! And I have this to say to people who use it: I've got an X-server to sell you, cheap; it's really great, and widely used! --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Well, in a sense. Generally, a coder has great skills in coding, not paper pushing. A manager should have great skills in paper pushing, not coding. And if they know anything about distributing tasks and delegation of authority, they will want to do the paper pushing, not the coding, because they can verify that it is done quickly and well, whereas the coder can't, necessarily. That's just common sense.
I'm a coder, and I'm taking a course in accounting; I understand the material, but I'm not great at it. I wouldn't want to do your taxes, and you wouldn't want me to, either. Got it? --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Indeed; artists are not paper-pushers. All the good examples I've seen here of successful managers sound more like mentors, helping you find your way without getting bogged down in the system. Maybe that would be a better word to use.
I'd much rather see book suggestions for coding, though; I guess I should post it. For C, I'd definitely recommend the (now ANSI) C Book, of course, by K&R, because they are artists... But that's not as much fun as crossposting to comp.lang.* to find out what the "best" programming language is. Any volunteers?;)
Have you read the book Holy Fire? If not, where did you hear the term used, because that's exactly the same concept. The book was okay overall, but the ideas are fascinating. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Just make sure you don't have much more than log(n) managers for n employees, in a well-organized structure; otherwise, it can become intractable. 20% is probably reasonable to help ensure this.
Also, make sure you understand statements like the above, still. You might want to read other people's code occasionally, so you can decide when to butt out from what they're doing, or become a full-time manager, or retire, or find another line of work... --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
In a couple of years, I'll tell you that you didn't have a clue.
But if I'm wrong about this one, well, I'll be happy about it, at least!:)
The real stuff that matters is running everything under emulation when you can't run it natively. Or for that matter, adding 'hardware features' that the original didn't necessarily have. That's awesome!
I'm sorry an entire troop of Mac zealots had to reply to what was primarily a post about Emulation, but Emu doesn't seem to have a big place on slashdot, much like the Demoscene, which is a real shame. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I need to try VMWare again, now that I have 128MB of RAM and a lot more HD space; if it supports my DVD drive, (as I've heard people say it might) I might get to reclaim 2GB of former Windows partitioning, and burn that worthless FAT.:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I couldn't have said it better myself, although I've tried before.
I too believe in emulation and in eventually running whatever I want (resources permitting) on one computer. Right now, I could run the first computer I ever had (the Commodore 64) flawlessly, as well as the Apple II, the Amiga, the original Macintosh, the original PC, anything Nintendo ever made, thousands of arcade games...
Well, it's incredible what can be done, but of course you eventually run into some resource limitations. It sounds like this emulator might be sluggish on the new machine I just bought, (800Mhz Athlon, 128MB RAM) let alone an older one, so that's out of the question right now. Of course, I'd want a Linux port too, although it'd be *interesting* to try to run this on top of VMWare. (much like it was interesting to try to run Executor on top of Soft Windows back in the day: Executor was pretty speedy; Soft Windows is not....)
I was wondering if someone would try to run a PowerPC emulator on x86; I didn't think all the registers would map very well, but I guess a lot of them would end up cached or renamed or whatever, nowadays. I think the Merced would be a much better platform for this sort of emulation, but it's not really there yet, as noted, so that'll be years off at least.
And yes, Apple's history continually disgusts me. But what disgusts me more are the people who forget what they do and have always done, and keep going back, like battered software consumers. I never liked the tactics Apple used, and I'm not going to pay the "Apple Tax" just to try out their technology. If BeOS can run on my machine, so can MacOS X, and if they don't want to sell it to me, that's their loss.
It would be entirely to their benefit for a product like this to come to fruition, because then I might get to try their technology, and see what they have to offer. But it doesn't look like they care, and so many people have stopped coding for speed or size and are just trying to get products out the door that it's pitiful what ends up getting released. If the MacOS interface looked like the implementation looked like, no one would use it. I guess you could say the opposite about Unix, too.:)
I was amused by the whole Intel crisis; so many people are depending on them, and they're trying way too hard in the x86 war; they just need to calm down and get back to basics, and make a kick-ass next generation processor. But if someone takes that away from them (preferably some combination of IBM, Transmeta and AMD, in my dreams...) I wouldn't miss them at all.
Finally, thank you, Slashdot, for this article. For once I can be proud, and say "This is news for nerds! This is stuff that matters!" How often does that happen? Well, not nearly enough. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I think there needs to be a way to tell what the network load on an individual node is, and attempt to negotiate connections with machines of similar connection speeds or ping times up to a maximum load cut-off.
Of course, there will still be people with hacked clients that report a bandwidth of 0 and a load of 10, but suspiciously have low pings. Those leeches should be killed, or at least swamped with connections...
Also, it would be nice if the network could re-organize over time, as in, promote people in your segment who give you back successful searches, and cut off branches that don't yield search results. Then everyone who wants free books would eventually find each other, and be separate from everyone who wants free porn (the other 99%, it seems) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
It disturbs me that people post changes like this in conjunction with the phrase "Operating System".
I'm in an Operating Systems class right now, and we're writing a little filesystem as a small project. No, there aren't any icons. You can't click it.:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Thanks, I probably should have been able to figure that out; I watched Forever Knight a few times, and I thought it was alright, and somewhat similar to the Highlander TV Series.
...I just couldn't figure out what this one had to do with the usual topics; Microsoft, Open Source, and whatnot. At least it had Natalie Portman, eh?:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I get to upgrade all my RPM's again! Hopefully it'll all work with kernel 2.4.0-test8, since that's what I've been running lately, but it'll probably break all the extra RPM's I have for the NCSU realm. Oh well, I can probably fix that...
But guys, only do this if you like to live on the bleeding edge; the X.0 Redhat releases are generally pretty rough, with lots of new stuff; I know, because I've been through three of them. If you're just trying out Linux for the first time, stick with 6.2 and wait for the reviews.
Generally Redhat Release X.1 is pretty decent, and X.2 is downright stable. If you're deploying a system based on RedHat, go with 6.2 and all the updates, with Bastille and the Openwall security patch, and watch redhat.com for updates. Otherwise, beware.
Also, what's this 'apt-get' for Redhat I keep hearing about? I've been using rpmfind for a while, and it works great. RedHat has their own stuff for this these days, but generally rpmfind.net is faster for me... --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Gosh, I wish; I could have gotten it all cheaper through Pricewatch. But instead, I bought it all from my friendly neighborhood local computer store, and indeed have tech support, warranties, and a return policy. I bought the parts and put it together because I didn't want to wait, but they would have assembled it for me if I had needed it...
That $799 iMac is pitiful; I've looked at the specs. In fact, anything with a built-in monitor is downright archaic, regardless. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Sorry; I can't get an equivalent Mac for less than $1,000 more. Unless you know a place that's cheaper than the Apple Store? I'd be happy to spell it out for you, but the equivalently priced macintosh would have less than half of the specs my machine does. Half the RAM. Half the Hard Drive space. A crappy video card with half the Video RAM.
I didn't even compare the Mhz; that's why it's as low as $1,000. But if you want to send me an appropriately specced Mac, I'll benchmark the two.
If no one cares, then why did you reply? Obviously I struck a nerve. I can tell you weren't interested in the details, either, or we'd be discussing those instead. Could it be that you don't agree with me, but have no valid argument, either?
I've tried Be; it is indeed very cool. I didn't run it before because it didn't support my video card. (grayscale sucks)
Now that I have a new computer, BeOS supports my hardware just as well as Linux does; I tried the free version, and I liked it. Maybe I'll play around with it some more after they have more cool apps for BeOS.
But I completely agree: they put the friendly interface on top of Unix first. BeOS detected all my hardware easily once it was supported, it was very friendly, and it wasn't even hard for me to get to a command prompt.
I think Apple is missing the boat; yes, I think their boxes are more expensive. However, I could be wrong, so let me check real quick...
Yep. The base price on anything except for an iMac is more than I paid for my system. For $200 more than I paid for my computer, I can literally get half the computer I have. If I paid ~$1,000 more, I could get something roughly equivalent.
The difference between my statements and yours are that I can quantify mine; if you want the details, I'll go into it for you, but suffice it to say that Apple's boxes are massively more expensive than what I can get in x86 land. Sorry, it's still true. If the opposite were true, I'd probably be running Linux on PowerPC, and think about trying MacOS X.
Apple can't get them due to fabbing agreements (IIRC).
Is that so hard to understand?
And yes, the PowerPC is a different architecture. But it isn't so fundamentally different that it's twice as fast as my Athlon, clock for clock, for general purpose apps. So even given some benchmarking, they still need to catch up a lot.
Actually, I only need one of each, but I'm pretty happy with what I have available.
I generally use Mozilla for web browsing, (because the latest builds are awesome!) everybuddy for chatting, (because it supports ICQ, AIM, and the lot) elm for mail, pico for text editing (although I do like nano better), and I generally don't use anything Office-like if I can help it, but if I have to, I'll try those out too. (last I saw, StarOffice is just like MS-Office, but I'm not sure if that's a feature)
As to widget sets, well, that's generally up to the application developer, but they're all usually fine with me, and better than Motif. Mozilla is themeable, and I tend to use fvwm2 for a window manager; I love my virtual screens. None of the apps are half as annoying as the Windows Explorer or the MacOS Finder, with its cryptic negative error messages, and bizarre Trash Can behavior.
And yes, it also makes a great server, and I'm currently reading slashdot from w3m, which is a great browser even on a server.:)
I gather Mozilla at least would be available on MacOS X, and some of the rest might build there too, but why bother? It all works great on Linux, and my (non-Apple) hardware platform works great too...
No, I'm running an *awesome* system, with a top-notch Unix re-implementation, with support for kernel modules, and tons of hardware and software. My system is decently integrated with a heterogenous realm of different computers, and I still manage to run development level stuff, and stay more stable than Windows or MacOS. But that wasn't really the topic anyhow.
I'm sure Apple doesn't need people who know they aren't the only game in town. I'm not supporting their price-gouging for hardware, and I don't like how often they fall victim to NIH ("Not Invented Here") Syndrome.
I think MacOS X is a chance for them to repent, and show what they can really do, but that obviously hasn't happened yet.
I know that Apple makes their money on their hardware; it's painfully evident in their pricing. However, I think you missed what I was saying.
If Apple released MacOS X on Intel, and it was truly a good OS, then I would buy it, and try it out, and use it. Otherwise, they lose my business, because I'm not buying their proprietary, overpriced hardware, and I certainly don't support their *closed* way of doing business. If that way of doing business changed, then I would respect Apple more.
Apple will eventually reach a hardware crisis. As it stands, there isn't much available for the poor, neglected Mac consumer. Their processor is woefully underpowered, due to Apple's agreements with IBM (no 1Ghz levels of speed, even though it's possible), and they don't have the same choice the PC market has. (Want a fast 3D card? Which one?)
Also, in the not-too-distant future, everyone will be porting to a new hardware platform. Windows and a lot of major Unix flavors, including Linux, will be available. Will Apple be there?
Slashdot Mirror
*sigh*
Please read my post again, and smack yourself for me.
Especially the parts about "GNU", "RMS", and "common usage".
If you aren't unconscious by now, understand that in the common usage of the English language as regards this subject, everything in a "Linux distribution" will henceforth be referred to as "Linux" whether you like it or not. People will call Redhat 7, X, SuSE and ls "Linux". And they won't call Redhat 7 "Redhat 7.0", either. And no one will pronounce either "Linux" or "either" the same, either. Ha ha ha.
Okay? Are we done yet?
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dd *is* a Linux command; (c)1999, FSF.
Just because it was *also* one of those original Unix commands... well, Unix is used to namespace collisions. However, I'm sure any Unix purist would agree that the Linux command ls (GNU ls, that is) isn't Unix ls. Therefore, it's a Linux command.
(or, if you're RMS, a GNU/Linux command? Possibly a Linux GNU Userland Command? LGUC? Nah... just a Linux command; forget RMS, he doesn't understand about convenience and common usage in language at all. And if he rants one more time about it, I'm going to start calling him GNU/RMS, and start asking him for DNA samples so we can do research, and contribute the changes back...)
But you're right, that *is* confusing. Maybe we should start a dd FAQ, in the spirit of the Pong FAQ...
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Disk Duplicator
:)
Who woulda thunk it?
...if you don't like dd, you're probably just bitter about paying for GHOST...
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I have a Matrox G400 Max; I compiled UTAH-GLX for it, and run XFree86, and it's *fast*, and I'm happy.
Therefore, I have this to say to people who try to sell commercial X-servers for Linux for my card for $200 and up: Nyah nyah! And I have this to say to people who use it: I've got an X-server to sell you, cheap; it's really great, and widely used!
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Well, in a sense. Generally, a coder has great skills in coding, not paper pushing. A manager should have great skills in paper pushing, not coding. And if they know anything about distributing tasks and delegation of authority, they will want to do the paper pushing, not the coding, because they can verify that it is done quickly and well, whereas the coder can't, necessarily. That's just common sense.
I'm a coder, and I'm taking a course in accounting; I understand the material, but I'm not great at it. I wouldn't want to do your taxes, and you wouldn't want me to, either. Got it?
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Indeed; artists are not paper-pushers. All the good examples I've seen here of successful managers sound more like mentors, helping you find your way without getting bogged down in the system. Maybe that would be a better word to use.
;)
I'd much rather see book suggestions for coding, though; I guess I should post it. For C, I'd definitely recommend the (now ANSI) C Book, of course, by K&R, because they are artists... But that's not as much fun as crossposting to comp.lang.* to find out what the "best" programming language is. Any volunteers?
Have you read the book Holy Fire? If not, where did you hear the term used, because that's exactly the same concept. The book was okay overall, but the ideas are fascinating.
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Just make sure you don't have much more than log(n) managers for n employees, in a well-organized structure; otherwise, it can become intractable. 20% is probably reasonable to help ensure this.
Also, make sure you understand statements like the above, still. You might want to read other people's code occasionally, so you can decide when to butt out from what they're doing, or become a full-time manager, or retire, or find another line of work...
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Heh. Tell me when Apple releases it.
:)
In a couple of years, I'll tell you that you didn't have a clue.
But if I'm wrong about this one, well, I'll be happy about it, at least!
The real stuff that matters is running everything under emulation when you can't run it natively. Or for that matter, adding 'hardware features' that the original didn't necessarily have. That's awesome!
I'm sorry an entire troop of Mac zealots had to reply to what was primarily a post about Emulation, but Emu doesn't seem to have a big place on slashdot, much like the Demoscene, which is a real shame.
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Now that's what I call an 'x86 virtual machine'!
:)
Dude, that beats the hell out of a DOS box.
I need to try VMWare again, now that I have 128MB of RAM and a lot more HD space; if it supports my DVD drive, (as I've heard people say it might) I might get to reclaim 2GB of former Windows partitioning, and burn that worthless FAT.
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I couldn't have said it better myself, although I've tried before.
:)
I too believe in emulation and in eventually running whatever I want (resources permitting) on one computer. Right now, I could run the first computer I ever had (the Commodore 64) flawlessly, as well as the Apple II, the Amiga, the original Macintosh, the original PC, anything Nintendo ever made, thousands of arcade games...
Well, it's incredible what can be done, but of course you eventually run into some resource limitations. It sounds like this emulator might be sluggish on the new machine I just bought, (800Mhz Athlon, 128MB RAM) let alone an older one, so that's out of the question right now. Of course, I'd want a Linux port too, although it'd be *interesting* to try to run this on top of VMWare. (much like it was interesting to try to run Executor on top of Soft Windows back in the day: Executor was pretty speedy; Soft Windows is not....)
I was wondering if someone would try to run a PowerPC emulator on x86; I didn't think all the registers would map very well, but I guess a lot of them would end up cached or renamed or whatever, nowadays. I think the Merced would be a much better platform for this sort of emulation, but it's not really there yet, as noted, so that'll be years off at least.
And yes, Apple's history continually disgusts me. But what disgusts me more are the people who forget what they do and have always done, and keep going back, like battered software consumers. I never liked the tactics Apple used, and I'm not going to pay the "Apple Tax" just to try out their technology. If BeOS can run on my machine, so can MacOS X, and if they don't want to sell it to me, that's their loss.
It would be entirely to their benefit for a product like this to come to fruition, because then I might get to try their technology, and see what they have to offer. But it doesn't look like they care, and so many people have stopped coding for speed or size and are just trying to get products out the door that it's pitiful what ends up getting released. If the MacOS interface looked like the implementation looked like, no one would use it. I guess you could say the opposite about Unix, too.
I was amused by the whole Intel crisis; so many people are depending on them, and they're trying way too hard in the x86 war; they just need to calm down and get back to basics, and make a kick-ass next generation processor. But if someone takes that away from them (preferably some combination of IBM, Transmeta and AMD, in my dreams...) I wouldn't miss them at all.
Finally, thank you, Slashdot, for this article. For once I can be proud, and say "This is news for nerds! This is stuff that matters!" How often does that happen? Well, not nearly enough.
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Some of these problems could be easily solved.
I think there needs to be a way to tell what the network load on an individual node is, and attempt to negotiate connections with machines of similar connection speeds or ping times up to a maximum load cut-off.
Of course, there will still be people with hacked clients that report a bandwidth of 0 and a load of 10, but suspiciously have low pings. Those leeches should be killed, or at least swamped with connections...
Also, it would be nice if the network could re-organize over time, as in, promote people in your segment who give you back successful searches, and cut off branches that don't yield search results. Then everyone who wants free books would eventually find each other, and be separate from everyone who wants free porn (the other 99%, it seems)
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Bigger folders.
:)
It disturbs me that people post changes like this in conjunction with the phrase "Operating System".
I'm in an Operating Systems class right now, and we're writing a little filesystem as a small project. No, there aren't any icons. You can't click it.
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The Horde Project; their IMP program looks pretty good.
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Wow, he ripped that one entirely!
:)
Thanks, I probably should have been able to figure that out; I watched Forever Knight a few times, and I thought it was alright, and somewhat similar to the Highlander TV Series.
...I just couldn't figure out what this one had to do with the usual topics; Microsoft, Open Source, and whatnot. At least it had Natalie Portman, eh?
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Love 'em or hate 'em, you should always read 'em.
Anyone know what this one is based on?
The Wizard of Oz post was awesome, but this one is kina weird...
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I get to upgrade all my RPM's again! Hopefully it'll all work with kernel 2.4.0-test8, since that's what I've been running lately, but it'll probably break all the extra RPM's I have for the NCSU realm. Oh well, I can probably fix that...
But guys, only do this if you like to live on the bleeding edge; the X.0 Redhat releases are generally pretty rough, with lots of new stuff; I know, because I've been through three of them. If you're just trying out Linux for the first time, stick with 6.2 and wait for the reviews.
Generally Redhat Release X.1 is pretty decent, and X.2 is downright stable. If you're deploying a system based on RedHat, go with 6.2 and all the updates, with Bastille and the Openwall security patch, and watch redhat.com for updates. Otherwise, beware.
Also, what's this 'apt-get' for Redhat I keep hearing about? I've been using rpmfind for a while, and it works great. RedHat has their own stuff for this these days, but generally rpmfind.net is faster for me...
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Gosh, I wish; I could have gotten it all cheaper through Pricewatch. But instead, I bought it all from my friendly neighborhood local computer store, and indeed have tech support, warranties, and a return policy. I bought the parts and put it together because I didn't want to wait, but they would have assembled it for me if I had needed it...
That $799 iMac is pitiful; I've looked at the specs. In fact, anything with a built-in monitor is downright archaic, regardless.
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Sorry; I can't get an equivalent Mac for less than $1,000 more. Unless you know a place that's cheaper than the Apple Store? I'd be happy to spell it out for you, but the equivalently priced macintosh would have less than half of the specs my machine does. Half the RAM. Half the Hard Drive space. A crappy video card with half the Video RAM.
I didn't even compare the Mhz; that's why it's as low as $1,000. But if you want to send me an appropriately specced Mac, I'll benchmark the two.
If no one cares, then why did you reply? Obviously I struck a nerve. I can tell you weren't interested in the details, either, or we'd be discussing those instead. Could it be that you don't agree with me, but have no valid argument, either?
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I've tried Be; it is indeed very cool. I didn't run it before because it didn't support my video card. (grayscale sucks)
Now that I have a new computer, BeOS supports my hardware just as well as Linux does; I tried the free version, and I liked it. Maybe I'll play around with it some more after they have more cool apps for BeOS.
But I completely agree: they put the friendly interface on top of Unix first. BeOS detected all my hardware easily once it was supported, it was very friendly, and it wasn't even hard for me to get to a command prompt.
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I think Apple is missing the boat; yes, I think their boxes are more expensive. However, I could be wrong, so let me check real quick...
Yep. The base price on anything except for an iMac is more than I paid for my system. For $200 more than I paid for my computer, I can literally get half the computer I have. If I paid ~$1,000 more, I could get something roughly equivalent.
The difference between my statements and yours are that I can quantify mine; if you want the details, I'll go into it for you, but suffice it to say that Apple's boxes are massively more expensive than what I can get in x86 land. Sorry, it's still true. If the opposite were true, I'd probably be running Linux on PowerPC, and think about trying MacOS X.
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I didn't, I was comparing PowerPC to PowerPC.
IBM can make a 1Ghz PowerPC processor.
Apple can't get them due to fabbing agreements (IIRC).
Is that so hard to understand?
And yes, the PowerPC is a different architecture. But it isn't so fundamentally different that it's twice as fast as my Athlon, clock for clock, for general purpose apps. So even given some benchmarking, they still need to catch up a lot.
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Actually, I only need one of each, but I'm pretty happy with what I have available.
:)
I generally use Mozilla for web browsing, (because the latest builds are awesome!) everybuddy for chatting, (because it supports ICQ, AIM, and the lot) elm for mail, pico for text editing (although I do like nano better), and I generally don't use anything Office-like if I can help it, but if I have to, I'll try those out too. (last I saw, StarOffice is just like MS-Office, but I'm not sure if that's a feature)
As to widget sets, well, that's generally up to the application developer, but they're all usually fine with me, and better than Motif. Mozilla is themeable, and I tend to use fvwm2 for a window manager; I love my virtual screens. None of the apps are half as annoying as the Windows Explorer or the MacOS Finder, with its cryptic negative error messages, and bizarre Trash Can behavior.
And yes, it also makes a great server, and I'm currently reading slashdot from w3m, which is a great browser even on a server.
I gather Mozilla at least would be available on MacOS X, and some of the rest might build there too, but why bother? It all works great on Linux, and my (non-Apple) hardware platform works great too...
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No, I'm running an *awesome* system, with a top-notch Unix re-implementation, with support for kernel modules, and tons of hardware and software. My system is decently integrated with a heterogenous realm of different computers, and I still manage to run development level stuff, and stay more stable than Windows or MacOS. But that wasn't really the topic anyhow.
I'm sure Apple doesn't need people who know they aren't the only game in town. I'm not supporting their price-gouging for hardware, and I don't like how often they fall victim to NIH ("Not Invented Here") Syndrome.
I think MacOS X is a chance for them to repent, and show what they can really do, but that obviously hasn't happened yet.
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I know that Apple makes their money on their hardware; it's painfully evident in their pricing. However, I think you missed what I was saying.
If Apple released MacOS X on Intel, and it was truly a good OS, then I would buy it, and try it out, and use it. Otherwise, they lose my business, because I'm not buying their proprietary, overpriced hardware, and I certainly don't support their *closed* way of doing business. If that way of doing business changed, then I would respect Apple more.
Apple will eventually reach a hardware crisis. As it stands, there isn't much available for the poor, neglected Mac consumer. Their processor is woefully underpowered, due to Apple's agreements with IBM (no 1Ghz levels of speed, even though it's possible), and they don't have the same choice the PC market has. (Want a fast 3D card? Which one?)
Also, in the not-too-distant future, everyone will be porting to a new hardware platform. Windows and a lot of major Unix flavors, including Linux, will be available. Will Apple be there?
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Did I say "Darwin"?
I believe I said "MacOS X".
If you don't know the difference, well, please go elsewhere.
Do you know if Apple has any plans to release "MacOS X" on the x86 platform?
If so, please post a trustworthy link, and I will admit to either being a troll, or not knowing that fact, dealers choice.
If not, please go somewhere else...
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