Right on... It's like that a lot and even happened to me once... I got into this whole "red hat is too big and will squash the other distros" mode and supported Debian for a while... Now, after Red Hat 6.0 and Red Hat giving GNOME (100% GPL as a core principle, not an afterthought) the chance to grab a foothold, I'm in full support of Red Hat, and will boycott any KDE-only distribution (i.e. Caldera and potentially Corel). Freedom of choice without bloat (sorry SUSE, 5CDs full of crap isn't going to cut it for "selection") is what i want, that's why I use Red Hat and Turbolinux (which will include GNOME and Enlightenment on their next workstation release)...
I forgot to add one thing: I personally (this is my own politics at hand) am developing a text-based KDE uninstall utility called "Special K"... it will completely remove KDE core files, Qt files, and all the rest of the crap that is KDE... Special-K will be available on the Gnuidea website soon... Keep an eye out for it!
Red Hat, you've really done a wonderful deed here with helping support Free Software, especially GNU and GPL software... I prefer 100% GPL for my Open Source Software, and I'm happy to see that RMS Linux will *NOT* include KDE, Qt, or Netscape... KDE is crap anyway... If you want my detailed explanation of why KDE sucks, do a search for "Cheung" on Linux.com...
By the way, my development team here at Gnuidea Software is building a 100% Open Source, GPL Browser for Linux. We will give the browser away for free by FTP or website download, but will also produce a box set to be sold in stores, which will, like Red Hat's box set, include documenation, toll-free phone support access numbers, groovy stickers, free t-shirt coupons, a CD-ROM including Guido, other Gnuidea software like Waimea, Firecracker and GUM/GAB, as well as good security tools that are 100% GPL (i.e. Open Source). Like Red Hat, I will donate $1 for every box sold to the GNU/FSF for all their hard work over the years.
Here's a tentative listing of our 100% Open Source product line: (all are in design and/or early development stages)
Guido: Gnome Universal Internet Domain Observatory
Firecracker: Guido-based firewall testing utility
Waimea: stream cipher encryption algorithm
GUM/GAB: Gnome Universal Mailbox/Address Book
Ticker: Gnome panel ticker (e.g. auto-query for symbol:RHAT)
Once we have hard-coded the design, we will make the source code and binaries available on the Gnuidea website, temporarily located on my desktop plugged into the UCSC network:
http://169.233.22.137/index.html (Temporary site) http://www.gnuidea.com (official site, not yet configured to point to my AMD red hat box)
Best regards,
Justin "no-K-in-my-name" Cheung
-------------------------- Founder and Vice-President Gnuidea Software Santa Cruz, California
Open Source Software Dude Penguin Computing San Francisco, California --------------------------
I also listen to Muddy Waters... it's funny that you mentioned it... Sometimes my code reflects what i'm listening to... Now i gotta go back and look at what I've written and think about the musical influences...
It's funny... I looked at Sam Ockman's code once and there were Beastie Boys lyrics deep in the code, commented out of course!:)
You raised a good point in your response to my post... I agree that you can build cheap boxes on your own, but the minimal extra cost in having a box built by a VAR like Penguin is, in my experience, is good for people who want a pre-built, pre-installed box, where we at Penguin do the work, shop for parts, burn-in the machines... You also get a lot of cool stuff besides the hardware: If you go to the Penguin Computing homepage, you'll see on the system configurators that a Red Hat Linux box set, cables, a Linux How-To Book, a Penguin Computing Quick Start Guide, a plush toy Tux Penguin that places like Linuxmall charge about $8 USD for, are included with every system we ship. Penguin Computing systems come with a warranty (see website for details) and offers free tech support by phone during our business hours (6AM-6PM Pacific) and 24-hour Tech support with a San Francisco number. We at Penguin also have a toll-free number, 1-888-Penguin... and an online support page where customers and non-customers can post software and hardware support issues... All of our support staff know Red Hat Linux, especially our custom kernel installation, like the backs of their hands... Oh yeah, there's also the thing about employee salaries, and money to stay in business:) Well, take care, and e-mail me if you have any more good ideas/comments/suggestions..
Best regards,
Justin "no-K-in-my-name" Cheung
Founder and Vice-Penguin, Gnuidea Software: Santa Cruz, California Gnuidea Software: "well-paid developers, fabulous free software" http://www.gnuidea.com (coming soon)
Penguin Computing Complete Linux Solutions, "because downtime is not an option" On the web at:
I was at Bookshop Santa Cruz yesterday and I cruised on by the computer books section and what do I see? Bob Young's book!! I immediately picked it up and scanned through it... and I have to say it's absolutely amazing and well-written. So I take Bob Young's book, "Under the Radar" to the techie book section and pick up the o'reilly "web security & commerce" book, only because it's written by the same guys that did the yellow spined book, my favorite o'reilly book "practical UNIX and internet security"... yellowbook rules... maybe IDG wll let me write a Practical Linux and Internet Security book... hmm:) The best thing? When I went to the checkout at Bookshop SC, I found that the hardcover Bob Young book was cheaper than the softcover "Web Security..." book... dangit, if O'Reilly books weren't so darn expensive... maybe it's that or maybe what I call "the Red Hat story" is a great deal!!!... Take it easy folks... I gotta go to class! Ciao, Justin "no-K-in-my-name" Cheung (justin@penguincomputing.com) Open Source Dev and Support Guy for Penguin Computing, San Francisco CA http://www.penguincomputing.com "when downtime is not an option" Founder and Vice-Penguin, Gnuidea Software: "Well-paid developers, Fabulous Free Software"
Hello... I personally think the price range Penguin proposes is quite fair for what you're getting... all high-quality top-notch Linux-compliant components that are rigorously tested... I believe Penguin was the first of the hardware-software-support "linux solutions providers" to offer a 72-hour burn-in process. And what the previous Slashdot poster said is right... Try putting together a box like Penguin's on your own. First of all, I doubt you can get parts as cheap as a VAR like Penguin... Secondly, you can simply compare Penguin's pricing with say, Dell, and you'll realize that Dell is the one forcing huge (seems like 50!% margins) for less-than-perfect hardware... Penguin prides itself on not only using purely high-performance top-of-the-line components, but it uses the creme de la creme, those kick-ass high-performance components that ritually survive its rigorous 72 hour burn-in process. I think if you objectively compare (1) pricing, and (2) components, between Penguin and other Linux hardware or complete solutions providers, you'll see that Penguin stands better than most when it comes to excellence in performance, reliability, service, and pricing. I'm a firm believer in the saying, "you get what you pay for". When I get my gaming system, I'm going to have Penguin build me a 3DFX Athlon system, one because I love Penguin hardware, Red Hat Linux, Penguin's customization of the Red Hat software, and the service you get when you have any questions about your system... I've known (personally) support staff happy to help Penguin customers, and even some non-customers who visit the Penguin support page, with all sorts of set-up, troubleshooting, upgrading, configuration problems... How do I know all this? I worked for Penguin full-time from early may 1999... now i'm at UC Santa Cruz full-time, and working on an IDG Book for Turbolinux, but I would be honored to be invited back by Penguin to work as a full-time employee after I graduate... I've never worked among a finer staff in all my life... Way to go Penguin!!! You're leading the way for Linux and you're making major strides for Linux desktop computing market share! Woo-hoo! Justin (justin@nospam.mathix.com)
I want one too!:) I'm generally stoked about compUSA's linux policy... At the Concord CA store where I used to work, they initially set up a "linux games" display in the front of the games section, but somewhat disappointingly moved all the games into the operating systems section next to the nifty Red Hat Linux box sets... Can anyone tell me if Turbolinux is sold at compUSA? It would be a shame if worthless over-hyped distributions like suse and mandrake got sold at compUSA and the elegant and newbie-friendly distributions, e.g. Red Hat and Turbolinux got set behind... If it hadn't been for compUSA carrying the official Red Hat Linux box sets (i bought 5.2 back in the day), I might have turned out different...Luckily the Red Hat boxes have been sold at compUSA for a long time... (and thankfully without a whopping 5 CDs full of packages I'll never use, e.g. suse, or so-called "mandrake enhancements"... enhancements? yeah right... it's basically Red Hat, with a newer kernel, widely available updates, and KDE crammed down your throat by default.) Wow i digress!! Anyways, i hope to soon have that Penguin 3DFX Athlon sitting on my desk! Does anyone know if Loki will port Interstate 76 to Linux? I'd rather have a Linux-native I-76 than dual-boot or run it through the ever-impressive VMware. Take it easy and tell me when you get that Penguin Athlon system... We'll have to do some kind of internet game when we're both equipped!:) Best regards, Justin (justin@nospam.penguincomputing.com)
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Right on... It's like that a lot and even happened to me once... I got into this whole "red hat is too big and will squash the other distros" mode and supported Debian for a while... Now, after Red Hat 6.0 and Red Hat giving GNOME (100% GPL as a core principle, not an afterthought) the chance to grab a foothold, I'm in full support of Red Hat, and will boycott any KDE-only distribution (i.e. Caldera and potentially Corel). Freedom of choice without bloat (sorry SUSE, 5CDs full of crap isn't going to cut it for "selection") is what i want, that's why I use Red Hat and Turbolinux (which will include GNOME and Enlightenment on their next workstation release)...
Justin
Waimea Algorithm Is My Encryption Algorithm
:)
Thanks for the compliment
Justin
I forgot to add one thing: I personally (this is my own politics at hand) am developing a text-based KDE uninstall utility called "Special K"... it will completely remove KDE core files, Qt files, and all the rest of the crap that is KDE... Special-K will be available on the Gnuidea website soon... Keep an eye out for it!
Later gaters,
Justin (of Gnuidea Software and Penguin Computing)
By the way, my development team here at Gnuidea Software is building a 100% Open Source, GPL Browser for Linux. We will give the browser away for free by FTP or website download, but will also produce a box set to be sold in stores, which will, like Red Hat's box set, include documenation, toll-free phone support access numbers, groovy stickers, free t-shirt coupons, a CD-ROM including Guido, other Gnuidea software like Waimea, Firecracker and GUM/GAB, as well as good security tools that are 100% GPL (i.e. Open Source). Like Red Hat, I will donate $1 for every box sold to the GNU/FSF for all their hard work over the years.
Here's a tentative listing of our 100% Open Source product line: (all are in design and/or early development stages)
Guido: Gnome Universal Internet Domain Observatory
Firecracker: Guido-based firewall testing utility
Waimea: stream cipher encryption algorithm
GUM/GAB: Gnome Universal Mailbox/Address Book
Ticker: Gnome panel ticker (e.g. auto-query for symbol:RHAT)
Once we have hard-coded the design, we will make the source code and binaries available on the Gnuidea website, temporarily located on my desktop plugged into the UCSC network:
http://169.233.22.137/index.html (Temporary site) http://www.gnuidea.com (official site, not yet configured to point to my AMD red hat box)
Best regards,
Justin "no-K-in-my-name" Cheung
--------------------------
Founder and Vice-President
Gnuidea Software
Santa Cruz, California
Open Source Software Dude
Penguin Computing
San Francisco, California
--------------------------
I also listen to Muddy Waters... it's funny that you mentioned it... Sometimes my code reflects what i'm listening to... Now i gotta go back and look at what I've written and think about the musical influences...
:)
It's funny... I looked at Sam Ockman's code once and there were Beastie Boys lyrics deep in the code, commented out of course!
Hi Eugene,
:) Well, take care, and e-mail me if you have any more good ideas/comments/suggestions..
You raised a good point in your response to my post... I agree that you can build cheap boxes on your own, but the minimal extra cost in having a box built by a VAR like Penguin is, in my experience, is good for people who want a pre-built, pre-installed box, where we at Penguin do the work, shop for parts, burn-in the machines... You also get a lot of cool stuff besides the hardware: If you go to the Penguin Computing homepage, you'll see on the system configurators that a Red Hat Linux box set, cables, a Linux How-To Book, a Penguin Computing Quick Start Guide, a plush toy Tux Penguin that places like Linuxmall charge about $8 USD for, are included with every system we ship. Penguin Computing systems come with a warranty (see website for details) and offers free tech support by phone during our business hours (6AM-6PM Pacific) and 24-hour Tech support with a San Francisco number. We at Penguin also have a toll-free number, 1-888-Penguin... and an online support page where customers and non-customers can post software and hardware support issues... All of our support staff know Red Hat Linux, especially our custom kernel installation, like the backs of their hands... Oh yeah, there's also the thing about employee salaries, and money to stay in business
Best regards,
Justin "no-K-in-my-name" Cheung
Founder and Vice-Penguin, Gnuidea Software: Santa Cruz, California
Gnuidea Software: "well-paid developers, fabulous free software"
http://www.gnuidea.com (coming soon)
Penguin Computing Complete Linux Solutions, "because downtime is not an option"
On the web at:
http://www.penguincomputing.com
I was at Bookshop Santa Cruz yesterday and I cruised on by the computer books section and what do I see? Bob Young's book!! I immediately picked it up and scanned through it... and I have to say it's absolutely amazing and well-written. So I take Bob Young's book, "Under the Radar" to the techie book section and pick up the o'reilly "web security & commerce" book, only because it's written by the same guys that did the yellow spined book, my favorite o'reilly book "practical UNIX and internet security"... yellowbook rules... maybe IDG wll let me write a Practical Linux and Internet Security book... hmm :) The best thing? When I went to the checkout at Bookshop SC, I found that the hardcover Bob Young book was cheaper than the softcover "Web Security..." book... dangit, if O'Reilly books weren't so darn expensive... maybe it's that or maybe what I call "the Red Hat story" is a great deal!!!... Take it easy folks... I gotta go to class! Ciao, Justin "no-K-in-my-name" Cheung (justin@penguincomputing.com) Open Source Dev and Support Guy for Penguin Computing, San Francisco CA http://www.penguincomputing.com "when downtime is not an option" Founder and Vice-Penguin, Gnuidea Software: "Well-paid developers, Fabulous Free Software"
Hello... I personally think the price range Penguin proposes is quite fair for what you're getting... all high-quality top-notch Linux-compliant components that are rigorously tested... I believe Penguin was the first of the hardware-software-support "linux solutions providers" to offer a 72-hour burn-in process. And what the previous Slashdot poster said is right... Try putting together a box like Penguin's on your own. First of all, I doubt you can get parts as cheap as a VAR like Penguin... Secondly, you can simply compare Penguin's pricing with say, Dell, and you'll realize that Dell is the one forcing huge (seems like 50!% margins) for less-than-perfect hardware... Penguin prides itself on not only using purely high-performance top-of-the-line components, but it uses the creme de la creme, those kick-ass high-performance components that ritually survive its rigorous 72 hour burn-in process. I think if you objectively compare (1) pricing, and (2) components, between Penguin and other Linux hardware or complete solutions providers, you'll see that Penguin stands better than most when it comes to excellence in performance, reliability, service, and pricing. I'm a firm believer in the saying, "you get what you pay for". When I get my gaming system, I'm going to have Penguin build me a 3DFX Athlon system, one because I love Penguin hardware, Red Hat Linux, Penguin's customization of the Red Hat software, and the service you get when you have any questions about your system... I've known (personally) support staff happy to help Penguin customers, and even some non-customers who visit the Penguin support page, with all sorts of set-up, troubleshooting, upgrading, configuration problems... How do I know all this? I worked for Penguin full-time from early may 1999... now i'm at UC Santa Cruz full-time, and working on an IDG Book for Turbolinux, but I would be honored to be invited back by Penguin to work as a full-time employee after I graduate... I've never worked among a finer staff in all my life... Way to go Penguin!!! You're leading the way for Linux and you're making major strides for Linux desktop computing market share! Woo-hoo! Justin (justin@nospam.mathix.com)
I want one too! :) I'm generally stoked about compUSA's linux policy ... At the Concord CA store where I used to work, they initially set up a "linux games" display in the front of the games section, but somewhat disappointingly moved all the games into the operating systems section next to the nifty Red Hat Linux box sets... Can anyone tell me if Turbolinux is sold at compUSA? It would be a shame if worthless over-hyped distributions like suse and mandrake got sold at compUSA and the elegant and newbie-friendly distributions, e.g. Red Hat and Turbolinux got set behind... If it hadn't been for compUSA carrying the official Red Hat Linux box sets (i bought 5.2 back in the day), I might have turned out different...Luckily the Red Hat boxes have been sold at compUSA for a long time... (and thankfully without a whopping 5 CDs full of packages I'll never use, e.g. suse, or so-called "mandrake enhancements"... enhancements? yeah right... it's basically Red Hat, with a newer kernel, widely available updates, and KDE crammed down your throat by default.) Wow i digress!! Anyways, i hope to soon have that Penguin 3DFX Athlon sitting on my desk! Does anyone know if Loki will port Interstate 76 to Linux? I'd rather have a Linux-native I-76 than dual-boot or run it through the ever-impressive VMware. Take it easy and tell me when you get that Penguin Athlon system... We'll have to do some kind of internet game when we're both equipped! :) Best regards, Justin (justin@nospam.penguincomputing.com)