Golodh wrote:
"Secondly, I think that not even supporters of the current administration will side with a rule that is so obviously unconstitutional, and therefore I believe that support in the House or the Senate will be very thin on the ground so that it will (if adopted by the curretn adminstration at all) remain an adminstrative rule, and not become a law at all. In fact I think that if that happens, the political fallout will be quite serious. Serious enough to change"
This is exactly what I am concerned about and why I replied to the original post "Keep your shirt on" - how many times does this kind of thing need to happen until someone like you would start to see the pattern? The House and the Senate only need to maintain that this rule is "necessary to ensure National Security" (whatever that means these days) - and there will be no "political fallout". The Bush administration has managed to convince the people real well that they should fear terrorists and 3rd world countries when the only real threat to the USA today comes from inside. For all practical purposes, if the rule will be put in force, it must be obeyed - even though it can be challenged in court by someone with enough money and time and nothing to lose by making this stand in US today.
I do see your point, that there exists the Constitution and the court system as the last line of defence of the United States of America that I used to know. However, if the overwhelming power and diligence of the current administration continues to be aided by the unbelievable credulity and indifference of the people much longer, the Constitution WILL soon be transformed into something that you would not believe until you see it.
Well... did it occur to you that once you believe it, it is too late. Your post shows exactly the mentality that has gotten the US to the point it is today, in just 5 or 6 years! I'm convinced that you wouldn't have believed the current state of civil rights is "the land of the free" in, for example, 1998, but now everyone can see what has happened.
As for the last line of your post - it is clear that the proposal is against the spirit of the US constitution, but the Bush administration's bills haven't been stopped by that in the past. What in the world gave you the idea that this time would be any different? When the new law is "challenged", there will be an angry debate in the media for two weeks, for sure. Nothing more.
Of course it is possible that the proposal is canned before it is ever even brought to the senate. However, TRUSTING that this would not happen, in the US of today, is incredibly credulous.
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Golodh wrote: "Secondly, I think that not even supporters of the current administration will side with a rule that is so obviously unconstitutional, and therefore I believe that support in the House or the Senate will be very thin on the ground so that it will (if adopted by the curretn adminstration at all) remain an adminstrative rule, and not become a law at all. In fact I think that if that happens, the political fallout will be quite serious. Serious enough to change" This is exactly what I am concerned about and why I replied to the original post "Keep your shirt on" - how many times does this kind of thing need to happen until someone like you would start to see the pattern? The House and the Senate only need to maintain that this rule is "necessary to ensure National Security" (whatever that means these days) - and there will be no "political fallout". The Bush administration has managed to convince the people real well that they should fear terrorists and 3rd world countries when the only real threat to the USA today comes from inside. For all practical purposes, if the rule will be put in force, it must be obeyed - even though it can be challenged in court by someone with enough money and time and nothing to lose by making this stand in US today. I do see your point, that there exists the Constitution and the court system as the last line of defence of the United States of America that I used to know. However, if the overwhelming power and diligence of the current administration continues to be aided by the unbelievable credulity and indifference of the people much longer, the Constitution WILL soon be transformed into something that you would not believe until you see it.
Well... did it occur to you that once you believe it, it is too late. Your post shows exactly the mentality that has gotten the US to the point it is today, in just 5 or 6 years! I'm convinced that you wouldn't have believed the current state of civil rights is "the land of the free" in, for example, 1998, but now everyone can see what has happened. As for the last line of your post - it is clear that the proposal is against the spirit of the US constitution, but the Bush administration's bills haven't been stopped by that in the past. What in the world gave you the idea that this time would be any different? When the new law is "challenged", there will be an angry debate in the media for two weeks, for sure. Nothing more. Of course it is possible that the proposal is canned before it is ever even brought to the senate. However, TRUSTING that this would not happen, in the US of today, is incredibly credulous.