I play at the Metreon, and Sunnyvale Golfland. I was introduced to this game when my then-employer, Linuxcare, had an event at the Metreon, and we meandered into the arcade. I think a couple of the ddrfreak people were there at the time.
I have since become horrifyingly addicted. I play the CD of songs. I play DDR wherever I go, searching out the machines in vegas, colorado... and this summer, in europe.:)
That's a slightly different model/hardware configuration than the one(s) we tested. The one(s) I had to work on only came with the Lucent. I'd prefer one with a NIC, myself! I worked on what hardware we are sent by IBM. Thanks much for the feedback, though!
It's not stolen. GPL-ing BSD code is, well, just fine, since sometimes the only way to make use of the code includes slapping a GPL on that copy of it... whatever's clever. We don't care. Good code getting used usefully is the end goal... not spreading a licensing scheme to topple the evil companies that pay programmers.
Besides, there's a previous copy of that code out there with the BSD-style license on it, so it's not as if suddenly the stack is magically GPL-restricted. Everyone else is still perfectly free to use it for whatever they want.
The closest thing we have to "stolen" is "taking for use without giving fair credit to the programmer."
And that's not nice.
Don't do it.
On that note, I've been considering selling the second FreeBSD Daemon-girl outfit, to buy a new one. Upgrading, as it were.;)
I'll probably sell it on Ebay, with a starting price of what was originally paid for it ($500). The goal is to end up with a comparable (or better!) daemonette outfit, maybe even in time for Linuxworld 2001 NYC....
It's solid red garment quality latex, made by A woman named Molly (who ran So Hip It Hurts in SF) and sold large amounts of quality latex through Stormy Leather. The two pieces are both custom made from the same batch, and in size small; tshirt and leggings. The shine has partially worn off from the shirt (but still mostly there on the leggings) and it requires several minutes of polishing before it's ready to wear out onto the floor of the convention. This is mainly why I'm selling it. I really don't have this kind of time in the mornings. I'm a reeally late riser. And conventions never seem to happen on 36-hour day cycles.:P
I'm 5"5", anywhere from 120 to 130, so that should give you an idea of who this costume would fit.
Watch for this auction between now and early January.
A friend was good enough to toss a few pics up for me - Credit goes to whoever took the lwce pictures at drunkmonkey.org, and MSK who took the staged pictures. I'm sure I don't need to mention that the copyrights belong to the original photographers....:)
http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/daemonette
-Ceren E.
FreeBSD's "Strange Attractor."
ceren@removethispinkmeat.magnesium.net
Gee. I've never heard of FreeBSD code that was ever "stolen" *out* of FreeBSD.
The code that is in FreeBSD stays there. BSD/OS is free to use the code. Big surprise. Even better, with BSDi's ability to pay programmers, there are a few more people getting paid to do nothing but work on open source code.
Maybe you should take a careful look at an awful lot of the code that is in Linux, when you have a spare cycle or two. BSD people don't raise a fuss about our code being used for Linux, and re-licensed. Know why? We tend to believe in freedom to use the code in _any_ _way_ you want to. (though preferably in some kind of productive way:) )
Do you realize you're as free to use the code created by FreeBSD programmers under the BSD license as BSD/OS is? (and all you have to do is give credit to the original coder.) Where's the bitterness coming from?
It's hard to be mean to a company that is paying more people to do what they love, code... it's similar to the large linux companies paying the salaries of top Linux hackers. Suddenly, gifted people aren't weighted down by other jobs, but are able to devote their time to the open source community.
Only the most rabid of "programming for money BAD!" zealots would disagree with this, I think.
-Ceren E. (who works at a company that pays both Linux and BSD hackers to do their thing)
FreeBSD'S "Strange Attractor."
cerene@uclink4.pinkfakehambad.berkeley.edu
I dislike most of my pics.;)
I do read slashdot, but I always miss my invocations until a friend or random person on efnet alerts me that I've been mentioned again.
Anyway. deviltry.net should eventually leak into existance. Someday. I'll keep the collections of the pics there, probably even the truly scary ones.
Wishing oneself a backbone doesn't work. "Complete Control" is never achieved.
But I never said that that was my advice. One can make an effort to be a bit more resilient, a bit more stubborn, a bit more tenacious, without trying to effect total control. I was speaking to this situation, not giving out a motto for life. C'mon, at 19? That'd be ridiculously pretentious of me.....
Not striving to make oneself stronger, more centered, and more stoic when necessary.... is a wasteful treatement of a life, imho.
And as for the first 20 years of my life? hey, I have at LEAST another half year to go before my libraries are burned.;)
And I'd have to wonder back at you : isn't lack of depth something that most people internally angst about from one time to another?
That's the most simplistic banal view of the human mind, soul, and experience I've ever seen.
wow, I love you too. Be honest - you have seen more simplistic ones, I'm sure. if not, I'm moving to where you live. and I don't care WHERE it is. *grin*
It's late, I'm still internally three hours ahead of everyone else in CA. Meep.
Ceren Ercen "Strange Attraction FreeBSD Test Labs" cerene@uclink4.berkeley.edu
#1 : You are subjected to only what you allow yourself to be subjected to. Get a backbone.
#2 : I saw fit to "subject" myself? *laugh* No. I actually got to go to Linuxworld, and between the OS-related questions I was answering at the booth, the contacts I was making, and the posing with people with a sense of humor, I had a very productive time. Worth my effort (and sweat, ewww) in spades. What did you spend your week doing?
#3 : You're only not wanted when you enter the door whining. I have had much support from geekers, in costume and out, because I have always approached things with the attitude of a student, and a respectful one at that. Try it sometime. You'd be surprised what good people there really are out in the opensource community, especially.
If you still find this offensive - you're not spending enough time hacking.:)
Save the moderation points for the people with a spine. And something to say. Or do.
Read your own comment. Angsty people like that may be why there aren't more "linuxchix" - unfortunately, the louder ones seem to have the bad attitudes.
http://www.freebsd.org/~jkh/lw2000/ Have at it. I'm the one in latex. And I'm 19. Thank you.
Ceren Ercen "Strange Attractor FreeBSD Test Labs" cerene@uclink4.berkeley.edu
Yeeesh, you all. Pick a time tomorrow (in eastern standard, please):P and I'll go do a stupid little dance in front of the cam or something. Howzzat? And I wish I could make money with this, I could go right back to Berkeley.;) But you know - trademarked character, nonprofit organization - I just don't have the heart (or the hypocrisy.) Meep. As for the other semi-unanswered stuff..... http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/02/02/10372 43&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread &pid=79#93
Ceren Ercen "Strange Attractor FreeBSD Test Labs" cerene@uclink4.berkeley.edu
Pfft. Those that don't understand latex... just won't get it.;)
As for whether we're hired? Please - I'm wonderfully happy about the other girls being hired to be there to walk around and do photo ops. I'm so much happier hanging back with the geeks and answering the FAQs for the attendees, and letting the engineers (yay for sending _engineers_ to attend the shows!) answer the technical questions. I'm a volunteer, you geeks. w00t. It's worth is to get to Linuxworld / Comdex, to me.
And the others are wearing regular cotton/poly stuff. I'm the only one suffering. Hee.
Re: your "scientific question." Cornstarch powder. And lots of help.
Re: The girls fawning over Tux? So? Even I was fawning over tux at times. And the large BSD Daemon. And especially DustPuppy.:) Watch the relevant sites for pics.
I'm from the SF bay area, btw. Heh. Fremont, CA. Sorry, Seattle person. Not NYC. And hey - I'm job hunting while I defer my Berkeley enrollment. Hint: Someone want to save me from starting in the call center of a windows-users support operation?:P PLEASE? I mean, talk about a comedown.....
Loving my time at Linuxworld, wishing those of you that can't make it, could.
Ceren E. "Strange Attractor FreeBSD Test Labs" cerene@uclink4.berkeley.edu
Yep. that's me. anyone over in the andover booth should be able to verify it. Er, I'll have pics from a photo shoot up soonish. Those slackers with digicams aren't uploading their stuff, huh? bwhahah.;) There are 3 daemonettes here this time. I'm still the only one wearing latex. and I USE the OS. so NYAH.;P
Just to ward off confusion, I do understand who was there first, and that Etoys was pretty much a huge bully.
Let's not play the "art" card like ZDNET. Let's not wear out that privilage of artists to receive a little bit of breathing room when they're being controversial, and need some respect by default. I'm going to assume that no one would want their site treated like eToy was, even if the site wasn't "artistic". Give the "artistic freedom" flag back to the artists, people. It's their right to wave it.
The question that I see is: (and I'm going to make the gross error of hoping that people really are good and reasonable) When they start behaving, does one continue to yell and slap them around? etoys tried to set make an example out of eToy. At least it could be viewed that way. Sortof. I'm just wondering if this might not be a hidden chance to make an example out of them, by much more subtle means than an injunction.
I hesitantly guess that eToys knew that eToy had been around for a while. If eToy had just appeared, I'm quite sure that eToys would have raised hell about them attempting to take their customers traffic by attempting to mislead them away from Etoys, or various other really silly whines.
However, At this point I want to close my eyes, cross my fingers, and try to think that eToys corps and lawyers looked at the laws that they though would permanently win this mess for them, and went "Oops. Hmm." They may also be willing to do this more so now because the Xmas rush is over.
The question is, do we as the veterans of the net deign to take the companies by the hand, give them a pat, say "no, no", and then try to come up with a understanding solution? I'm not sure that a "do you want to look at eToy, and artistic site, or Etoys, a toy-selling child-appropriate site?" front page would have hurt the egos of the artists too terribly much. They're pretty resiliant people, for the most part, imho. I'm not saying that this is the way they should have acted, but it's just a suggestion. The designers who probably knew more about the web than the corps over at eToys could have probably come up with some kind of similar solution.
At this point, the artists may well have replied with a hearty "Oi! Fuck you!" I don't know them or what their response might have been.
I'm just saying personallly that I would have reacted more.... _conniving_ than that. It could be a chance to set down rules and ways of corporations.coms can ask their "net neighbor" (pftt, that's so cute) for help, rather than being legal assholes. I wonder if, even though Etoys is beginning to behave after the fact, should the attempt not be made to be instructive? I just am anxiously looking for any sign of companies respecting the media that they're suddenly wandering into.
Unfortunately, there's always that problem that if you give a mouse a cookie, he'll want a glass of milk. If you give him a glass of milk, he'll want you to warm it up. If you warm it up, he'll want you to read him a bedtime story.
Assuming that people are basically good and reasonable is a phase, I'm sure I'll get over it when I turn 20, right?
I do believe that eToy should most certainly be refunded their legal costs, though. That just goes as a assumed product of Etoys "behaving". Heh. And I understand the anger that the threatened-feeling web creators are feeling. Dodging the blind giants stomping though thier backyards..... Right. sigh.
Ceren / Deviltry's Seraph Cerennospam@magnesiumitsjustcannedhamproduct.net I'm beginning to think that the "injucntion" is the road rage of the "information superhighway".
Please. Please please please, do you have a link to this transcript? I looked through Xenu, but had no way of guessing where to start looking for that specific legal transcript..:/
This sounds better than "stupid tech-support calls."
Slashdot Mirror
Given that I'm at magnesium.net/~ceren, I'd hope it wouldn't require too much effort to figure out my email address.
:)
Sheesh, some of you are so easily amused.
(linzeal: I'm 23 now.)
back to lurkland.
people just keep forwarding me this stuff.
But the machines are so damned expensive.
:)
I play at the Metreon, and Sunnyvale Golfland. I was introduced to this game when my then-employer, Linuxcare, had an event at the Metreon, and we meandered into the arcade. I think a couple of the ddrfreak people were there at the time.
I have since become horrifyingly addicted. I play the CD of songs. I play DDR wherever I go, searching out the machines in vegas, colorado... and this summer, in europe.
Eat Eat Wallet.
Who is the user at madchat who is hosting those pictures? I can't find contact info.
And you want hot chicks? Hand hot chicks a copy of the Unix Administration Handbook, and make yourself avaliable to answer questions. It worked on me.
- Ceren E.,
that daemonette, who just wants to see the photographer's credits BACK on those pictures.
Yes. Assuming I drag my lazy ass off the couch. I'll be at the DNA, a space I like anyway.
Don't bother looking for red latex, though. My hair's green now, and it makes me look like the Christmas daemonette.
- Ceren, who's not really a boothgirl anymore, but though this would be funny. uggh. sleep dep.
FreeBSD's Strange Attractor.
That's a slightly different model/hardware configuration than the one(s) we tested. The one(s) I had to work on only came with the Lucent. I'd prefer one with a NIC, myself! I worked on what hardware we are sent by IBM. Thanks much for the feedback, though!
Doing that certification on the X20/X21 is what made me decide I want one, eventually, too.
- Ceren
FreeBSD's "Strange Attractor."
cercen.ridthyselfofpinkmeat@linuxcare.com
Ahwell, the other two seem to be doing just fine.
- Ceren
FreeBSD's "Strange Attractor."
Besides, there's a previous copy of that code out there with the BSD-style license on it, so it's not as if suddenly the stack is magically GPL-restricted. Everyone else is still perfectly free to use it for whatever they want.
The closest thing we have to "stolen" is "taking for use without giving fair credit to the programmer."
And that's not nice.
Don't do it.
I'll probably sell it on Ebay, with a starting price of what was originally paid for it ($500). The goal is to end up with a comparable (or better!) daemonette outfit, maybe even in time for Linuxworld 2001 NYC....
It's solid red garment quality latex, made by A woman named Molly (who ran So Hip It Hurts in SF) and sold large amounts of quality latex through Stormy Leather. The two pieces are both custom made from the same batch, and in size small; tshirt and leggings. The shine has partially worn off from the shirt (but still mostly there on the leggings) and it requires several minutes of polishing before it's ready to wear out onto the floor of the convention. This is mainly why I'm selling it. I really don't have this kind of time in the mornings. I'm a reeally late riser. And conventions never seem to happen on 36-hour day cycles. :P
I'm 5"5", anywhere from 120 to 130, so that should give you an idea of who this costume would fit.
Watch for this auction between now and early January.
A friend was good enough to toss a few pics up for me - :)
Credit goes to whoever took the lwce pictures at drunkmonkey.org, and MSK who took the staged pictures. I'm sure I don't need to mention that the copyrights belong to the original photographers....
http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/daemonette
-Ceren E.
FreeBSD's "Strange Attractor."
ceren@removethispinkmeat.magnesium.net
The code that is in FreeBSD stays there. BSD/OS is free to use the code. Big surprise. Even better, with BSDi's ability to pay programmers, there are a few more people getting paid to do nothing but work on open source code.
Maybe you should take a careful look at an awful lot of the code that is in Linux, when you have a spare cycle or two. BSD people don't raise a fuss about our code being used for Linux, and re-licensed. Know why? We tend to believe in freedom to use the code in _any_ _way_ you want to. (though preferably in some kind of productive way :) )
Do you realize you're as free to use the code created by FreeBSD programmers under the BSD license as BSD/OS is? (and all you have to do is give credit to the original coder.) Where's the bitterness coming from?
It's hard to be mean to a company that is paying more people to do what they love, code... it's similar to the large linux companies paying the salaries of top Linux hackers. Suddenly, gifted people aren't weighted down by other jobs, but are able to devote their time to the open source community.
Only the most rabid of "programming for money BAD!" zealots would disagree with this, I think.
-Ceren E. (who works at a company that pays both Linux and BSD hackers to do their thing)
FreeBSD'S "Strange Attractor."
cerene@uclink4.pinkfakehambad.berkeley.edu
I do read slashdot, but I always miss my invocations until a friend or random person on efnet alerts me that I've been mentioned again.
Anyway. deviltry.net should eventually leak into existance. Someday. I'll keep the collections of the pics there, probably even the truly scary ones.
Headed off to BSDCon next week, yay!
-Ceren
FreeBSD's "Strange Attractor."
Wishing oneself a backbone doesn't work.
"Complete Control" is never achieved.
But I never said that that was my advice. One can make an effort to be a bit more resilient, a bit more stubborn, a bit more tenacious, without trying to effect total control.
I was speaking to this situation, not giving out a motto for life. C'mon, at 19? That'd be ridiculously pretentious of me.....
Not striving to make oneself stronger, more centered, and more stoic when necessary.... is a wasteful treatement of a life, imho.
And as for the first 20 years of my life? hey, I have at LEAST another half year to go before my libraries are burned. ;)
And I'd have to wonder back at you : isn't lack of depth something that most people internally angst about from one time to another?
That's the most simplistic banal view of the human mind, soul, and experience I've ever seen.
wow, I love you too. Be honest - you have seen more simplistic ones, I'm sure. if not, I'm moving to where you live. and I don't care WHERE it is. *grin*
It's late, I'm still internally three hours ahead of everyone else in CA. Meep.
Ceren Ercen
"Strange Attraction
FreeBSD Test Labs"
cerene@uclink4.berkeley.edu
#1 : You are subjected to only what you allow yourself to be subjected to. Get a backbone.
#2 : I saw fit to "subject" myself? *laugh* No. I actually got to go to Linuxworld, and between the OS-related questions I was answering at the booth, the contacts I was making, and the posing with people with a sense of humor, I had a very productive time. Worth my effort (and sweat, ewww) in spades. What did you spend your week doing?
#3 : You're only not wanted when you enter the door whining. I have had much support from geekers, in costume and out, because I have always approached things with the attitude of a student, and a respectful one at that. Try it sometime. You'd be surprised what good people there really are out in the opensource community, especially.
If you still find this offensive - you're not spending enough time hacking. :)
Save the moderation points for the people with a spine. And something to say. Or do.
Read your own comment. Angsty people like that may be why there aren't more "linuxchix" - unfortunately, the louder ones seem to have the bad attitudes.
http://www.freebsd.org/~jkh/lw2000/ Have at it. I'm the one in latex.
And I'm 19. Thank you.
Ceren Ercen
"Strange Attractor
FreeBSD Test Labs"
cerene@uclink4.berkeley.edu
And I wish I could make money with this, I could go right back to Berkeley.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/02/02/1037
Ceren Ercen
"Strange Attractor
FreeBSD Test Labs"
cerene@uclink4.berkeley.edu
Those that don't understand latex... just won't get it.
As for whether we're hired? Please - I'm wonderfully happy about the other girls being hired to be there to walk around and do photo ops. I'm so much happier hanging back with the geeks and answering the FAQs for the attendees, and letting the engineers (yay for sending _engineers_ to attend the shows!) answer the technical questions. I'm a volunteer, you geeks. w00t. It's worth is to get to Linuxworld / Comdex, to me.
And the others are wearing regular cotton/poly stuff. I'm the only one suffering. Hee.
Re: your "scientific question." Cornstarch powder. And lots of help.
Re: The girls fawning over Tux? So? Even I was fawning over tux at times. And the large BSD Daemon. And especially DustPuppy. :) Watch the relevant sites for pics.
I'm from the SF bay area, btw. Heh. Fremont, CA. Sorry, Seattle person. Not NYC. And hey - I'm job hunting while I defer my Berkeley enrollment. Hint: Someone want to save me from starting in the call center of a windows-users support operation? :P PLEASE? I mean, talk about a comedown.....
Loving my time at Linuxworld, wishing those of you that can't make it, could.
Ceren E.
"Strange Attractor
FreeBSD Test Labs"
cerene@uclink4.berkeley.edu
Er, I'll have pics from a photo shoot up soonish. Those slackers with digicams aren't uploading their stuff, huh? bwhahah.
There are 3 daemonettes here this time. I'm still the only one wearing latex. and I USE the OS. so NYAH.
Ceren E.
"Strange Attraction
FreeBSD Test Labs"
sigh.
Just to ward off confusion, I do understand who was there first, and that Etoys was pretty much a huge bully.
Let's not play the "art" card like ZDNET. Let's not wear out that privilage of artists to receive a little bit of breathing room when they're being controversial, and need some respect by default. I'm going to assume that no one would want their site treated like eToy was, even if the site wasn't "artistic". Give the "artistic freedom" flag back to the artists, people. It's their right to wave it.
The question that I see is: (and I'm going to make the gross error of hoping that people really are good and reasonable)
When they start behaving, does one continue to yell and slap them around?
etoys tried to set make an example out of eToy. At least it could be viewed that way. Sortof. I'm just wondering if this might not be a hidden chance to make an example out of them, by much more subtle means than an injunction.
I hesitantly guess that eToys knew that eToy had been around for a while. If eToy had just appeared, I'm quite sure that eToys would have raised hell about them attempting to take their customers traffic by attempting to mislead them away from Etoys, or various other really silly whines.
However, At this point I want to close my eyes, cross my fingers, and try to think that eToys corps and lawyers looked at the laws that they though would permanently win this mess for them, and went "Oops. Hmm." They may also be willing to do this more so now because the Xmas rush is over.
The question is, do we as the veterans of the net deign to take the companies by the hand, give them a pat, say "no, no", and then try to come up with a understanding solution? I'm not sure that a "do you want to look at eToy, and artistic site, or Etoys, a toy-selling child-appropriate site?" front page would have hurt the egos of the artists too terribly much. They're pretty resiliant people, for the most part, imho. I'm not saying that this is the way they should have acted, but it's just a suggestion. The designers who probably knew more about the web than the corps over at eToys could have probably come up with some kind of similar solution.
At this point, the artists may well have replied with a hearty "Oi! Fuck you!" I don't know them or what their response might have been.
I'm just saying personallly that I would have reacted more.... _conniving_ than that. It could be a chance to set down rules and ways of corporations.coms can ask their "net neighbor" (pftt, that's so cute) for help, rather than being legal assholes. I wonder if, even though Etoys is beginning to behave after the fact, should the attempt not be made to be instructive? I just am anxiously looking for any sign of companies respecting the media that they're suddenly wandering into.
Unfortunately, there's always that problem that if you give a mouse a cookie, he'll want a glass of milk. If you give him a glass of milk, he'll want you to warm it up. If you warm it up, he'll want you to read him a bedtime story.
Assuming that people are basically good and reasonable is a phase, I'm sure I'll get over it when I turn 20, right?
I do believe that eToy should most certainly be refunded their legal costs, though. That just goes as a assumed product of Etoys "behaving". Heh. And I understand the anger that the threatened-feeling web creators are feeling. Dodging the blind giants stomping though thier backyards..... Right. sigh.
Ceren / Deviltry's Seraph
Cerennospam@magnesiumitsjustcannedhamproduct.net
I'm beginning to think that the "injucntion" is the road rage of the "information superhighway".
Please. Please please please, do you have a link to this transcript? I looked through Xenu, but had no way of guessing where to start looking for that specific legal transcript.. :/
This sounds better than "stupid tech-support calls."