I personally think so, but I would be willing to be a large portion of voters wouldn't be comfortable with that...which, if true, is freakin' hilarious.
...if you feel about something so strongly that you are willing to sign a petition about it, you shouldn't be hiding your name. Stop being a coward, and own up to your opinions/decisions.
"Gripping any phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas. This is a fact of life for every wireless phone," Jobs wrote. "If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases."
Regardless of my thoughts on Apple as a business, the new iPhone is an attractive bit of hardware. If only Jobs wasn't being such a bastard about the antenna problems...
For most people, it's the possibility part that bothers them.
Removing knee-jerk reactions and looking at this objectively, I can understand why the government would need the power to do this...but with all the public attention they've been giving to "cybersecurity" lately, I can completely understand why this makes people very nervous.
Of course, the most common argument (one which I agree with) is why are mission critical systems accessable from the "normal" Internet in the first place? Why aren't they built on an entirely seperate network that sees zero interaction with the "public" Internet, like something akin to a CCTV system?
Yes, but every time any conversation about the iPhone starts, the detractors seem to pounce on the walled garden thing. I get it. It's not for everyone.
What can I say, it's a pretty big deal for some people (myself included).
As far as Android comparisons are concerned, I try to stay away from those. My problem isn't with iPhone OS, just Apple's business practices. I'd take Windows Mobile 6.1 over iPhone OS any day simply by the virtue of not being restricted to what I can run without modifying the hardware.
It's that big of a deal to me. Lame, but true.
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Good for you. So why do you keep commenting on every Apple story about the 'walled garden' and your problems with it? Is it because you are unhappy with your current choice and you would like to go with Apple if only they played according to your rules? or do you really think the readers here (on/., of all places) are so ignorant that you feel the need to constantly remind them of Apple's walled garden, when they make their choices? when you proclaim that you have a choice as a consumer and you've made yours, is it that hard to accept others are doing the same thing, and happy for the same reason?
Two reasons: I like to partake in as many conversations as possible on Slashdot, and because this particular topic always gets the most responses. I like responses:-)
This is not a personal attack on you, I wholly understand your point but I'm curious to know why the insistence - I can see a legitimate complaint when you are torn between choices - but why after you have made your choice? In fact, let's make this twitter-blunt: can you give the reason in 140 characters?
I can do it in 23 characters, including spaces and punctuation:
I'm an attention whore.::shrug::
PS: That::shrug:: doesn't count towards the 23 characters PSS: That PS doesn't count towards the 23 characters PSSS: That PSS...AUGH!
What I think is interesting is how they're so vocal about it.
In my (and other folk's) defense, this is an article specifically about the iPhone...it's not like I would be having a conversationa bout funeral plans for a family member, only to suddenly blurt out "fuck Apple and their walled garden".
...leave him alone, eh? After all, if people can be sued because someone else downloaded torrents using their unsecured Wi-Fi connections...
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Your face is wrong:p
But seriously though.
If you think of the iPhone as an appliance and not a computer, then it makes perfect sense.
I often hear this argument, and my response is always the same: it doesn't matter how you spin it, it doesn't matter what you call it, it doesn't matter what you "think of it as"...the fact is, Apple offers a restricted product while others offer an unrestricted product. I have a choice as a consumer, and I've made one.
The "apples to oranges" claim at the bottom of your response led me to state that you're dismissing the argument. Usually that's an indication that the argument is being dismissed because it doesn't apply.
I agree, but notice that I put it at the very bottom of my post after I had addressed the question:-)
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Don't waste your time. There is no way you are going to successfully defend Apple's practices to me. You don't have a problem with their walled garden? That is totally fine with me. You want to purchase and use their walled products? Again, totally fine with me...you won't hear me telling you not to, nor will you ever see me trying to convince you to use Android. Apple obviously provides a service that you enjoy, and that's awesome.
That being said, don't try to convince me that my personal opinion is wrong when Apple is clearly doing something that I personally disagree with, ok?
But what if I'm a NASCAR driver and perfectly capable of handling my car at 200 MPH? Why should I be restricted just because a bunch of old lady drivers can't be bothered to learn how to go more than 155?
Then, like I said, you would have bought a car that isn't artificially limited.
You have a choice with phones, just like you have a choice with cars. I don't care if my car is speed limited at twice the speed I will ever be willing to drive, so it doesn't matter if I drive one that is limited in such a way.
That being said, I do care if my phone is locked into pre-approved applications...so I didn't buy one that restricted me to only pre-approved applications.
I fail to see how I'm dismissing the car argument when I'm directly responding to your question.
You are wrapped up in all the FUD. Take a step back, this isn't life or death and buying a phone doesn't necessarily mean anything in the grand scheme of things.
I never said it did mean anything. I have an option when it comes to which phone I buy, and I've chosen to buy a phone that meets my requirements and needs, the primary one being that I'm not restricted in what can or can't be installed on my phone. Sorry for paying attention to what I'm buying:p
Having principals is great, but you're abstaining from buying won't change anyone else's opinions, nor will it affect Apple's.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people who are aware of the walled garden and don't care...it just isn't for me, personally.
For the most part, I agree with you...but where I live (Rockville, Maryland, USA) and, more specifically, the apartment complex I live in, AT&T's reception is notoriously iffy. You could be getting four bars, literally move your phone across the table, and suddenly have zero bars. Verizon stays at a constant 3-4, no matter where you are.
So, to sum up as far as my original post is concerned, I was referring to reception in my particular area, not the companies themselves.
As stated in my previous post, the appstore would most likely be able to serve all of my needs, as far as applications are concerned...but that's not the point. The point is that there is no reason to pay a company so that they can tell me what I can and can't do with their device when there is another company that sells a similar device that lets me do whatever the hell I want with it.::shrug:: That's it.
Oh, and please...don't try to make comparisons to game consoles being closed too. That's an entirely different conversation.
Why do we always feel obligated to put that at the end of our posts? Don't get me wrong, I do it all the time. But your entire most was I this and I that, you never once used the word "you". So of course its your opinion and you aren't speaking for others. But if you don't say it you risk people flaming back.
I do it because people asking why I'm including it is far less annoying than people asking why I'm "presenting my opinion like it's the only one that matters":-) You're a regular around here...I'm sure you've seen it.
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There are other avenues for anonymous free speech anyway.
Like 4chan. ::looks down::
Crap, forgot to hit the "Post Anonymously" button....
I personally think so, but I would be willing to be a large portion of voters wouldn't be comfortable with that...which, if true, is freakin' hilarious.
...if you feel about something so strongly that you are willing to sign a petition about it, you shouldn't be hiding your name. Stop being a coward, and own up to your opinions/decisions.
I have one, do you? Cause that antenna stuff sounds like FUD. I've seen the bar go down one when i hold it funny, but it's not bad, and i'm a lefty.
Considering your turtle-necked Lord has given advice on how to avoid the issue, I'd say it isn't FUD.
Taken directly from that link:
"Gripping any phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas. This is a fact of life for every wireless phone," Jobs wrote. "If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases."
I'd say Apple's response is where the FUD is.
Regardless of my thoughts on Apple as a business, the new iPhone is an attractive bit of hardware. If only Jobs wasn't being such a bastard about the antenna problems...
Does anyone have a link to the text of the proposed bill?
Ask, and ye shall receive. Note: PDF link
I found it at this page.
From what I understand, they would shut things down at the ISP level.
"What's the point of a modem noise, if you are unable to connect, Mr. Anderson?" sort of thing.
For most people, it's the possibility part that bothers them.
Removing knee-jerk reactions and looking at this objectively, I can understand why the government would need the power to do this...but with all the public attention they've been giving to "cybersecurity" lately, I can completely understand why this makes people very nervous.
Of course, the most common argument (one which I agree with) is why are mission critical systems accessable from the "normal" Internet in the first place? Why aren't they built on an entirely seperate network that sees zero interaction with the "public" Internet, like something akin to a CCTV system?
Yes, but every time any conversation about the iPhone starts, the detractors seem to pounce on the walled garden thing. I get it. It's not for everyone.
What can I say, it's a pretty big deal for some people (myself included).
As far as Android comparisons are concerned, I try to stay away from those. My problem isn't with iPhone OS, just Apple's business practices. I'd take Windows Mobile 6.1 over iPhone OS any day simply by the virtue of not being restricted to what I can run without modifying the hardware.
It's that big of a deal to me. Lame, but true.
Good for you. So why do you keep commenting on every Apple story about the 'walled garden' and your problems with it? Is it because you are unhappy with your current choice and you would like to go with Apple if only they played according to your rules? or do you really think the readers here (on /., of all places) are so ignorant that you feel the need to constantly remind them of Apple's walled garden, when they make their choices? when you proclaim that you have a choice as a consumer and you've made yours, is it that hard to accept others are doing the same thing, and happy for the same reason?
Two reasons: I like to partake in as many conversations as possible on Slashdot, and because this particular topic always gets the most responses. I like responses :-)
This is not a personal attack on you, I wholly understand your point but I'm curious to know why the insistence - I can see a legitimate complaint when you are torn between choices - but why after you have made your choice? In fact, let's make this twitter-blunt: can you give the reason in 140 characters?
I can do it in 23 characters, including spaces and punctuation:
I'm an attention whore. ::shrug::
PS: That ::shrug:: doesn't count towards the 23 characters
PSS: That PS doesn't count towards the 23 characters
PSSS: That PSS...AUGH!
What I think is interesting is how they're so vocal about it.
In my (and other folk's) defense, this is an article specifically about the iPhone...it's not like I would be having a conversationa bout funeral plans for a family member, only to suddenly blurt out "fuck Apple and their walled garden".
Context, context, context.
...leave him alone, eh? After all, if people can be sued because someone else downloaded torrents using their unsecured Wi-Fi connections...
Your face is wrong :p
But seriously though.
If you think of the iPhone as an appliance and not a computer, then it makes perfect sense.
I often hear this argument, and my response is always the same: it doesn't matter how you spin it, it doesn't matter what you call it, it doesn't matter what you "think of it as"...the fact is, Apple offers a restricted product while others offer an unrestricted product. I have a choice as a consumer, and I've made one.
Yes. Yes you may :-)
The "apples to oranges" claim at the bottom of your response led me to state that you're dismissing the argument. Usually that's an indication that the argument is being dismissed because it doesn't apply.
I agree, but notice that I put it at the very bottom of my post after I had addressed the question :-)
Don't waste your time. There is no way you are going to successfully defend Apple's practices to me. You don't have a problem with their walled garden? That is totally fine with me. You want to purchase and use their walled products? Again, totally fine with me...you won't hear me telling you not to, nor will you ever see me trying to convince you to use Android. Apple obviously provides a service that you enjoy, and that's awesome.
That being said, don't try to convince me that my personal opinion is wrong when Apple is clearly doing something that I personally disagree with, ok?
But what if I'm a NASCAR driver and perfectly capable of handling my car at 200 MPH? Why should I be restricted just because a bunch of old lady drivers can't be bothered to learn how to go more than 155?
Then, like I said, you would have bought a car that isn't artificially limited.
You have a choice with phones, just like you have a choice with cars. I don't care if my car is speed limited at twice the speed I will ever be willing to drive, so it doesn't matter if I drive one that is limited in such a way.
That being said, I do care if my phone is locked into pre-approved applications...so I didn't buy one that restricted me to only pre-approved applications.
I fail to see how I'm dismissing the car argument when I'm directly responding to your question.
No, but it is indicative of why we hate Lieberman.
Zing!
You are wrapped up in all the FUD. Take a step back, this isn't life or death and buying a phone doesn't necessarily mean anything in the grand scheme of things.
I never said it did mean anything. I have an option when it comes to which phone I buy, and I've chosen to buy a phone that meets my requirements and needs, the primary one being that I'm not restricted in what can or can't be installed on my phone. Sorry for paying attention to what I'm buying :p
Having principals is great, but you're abstaining from buying won't change anyone else's opinions, nor will it affect Apple's.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people who are aware of the walled garden and don't care...it just isn't for me, personally.
For the most part, I agree with you...but where I live (Rockville, Maryland, USA) and, more specifically, the apartment complex I live in, AT&T's reception is notoriously iffy. You could be getting four bars, literally move your phone across the table, and suddenly have zero bars. Verizon stays at a constant 3-4, no matter where you are.
So, to sum up as far as my original post is concerned, I was referring to reception in my particular area, not the companies themselves.
Don't feel bad...the original post that I made has gone up the 5, Insightful, down to 0, Troll, up to where it is now, at 1, Insightful
As stated in my previous post, the appstore would most likely be able to serve all of my needs, as far as applications are concerned...but that's not the point. The point is that there is no reason to pay a company so that they can tell me what I can and can't do with their device when there is another company that sells a similar device that lets me do whatever the hell I want with it. ::shrug:: That's it.
Oh, and please...don't try to make comparisons to game consoles being closed too. That's an entirely different conversation.
lol, never thought I'd be called a dinosaur at the age of 26 :p
The App Store is a public marketplace. You don't see people complaining they can't buy the latest pr0n titles at your local BB or Radio Shack.
Exactly. They know what they are looking for, so they make their decisions based on a business that provides what they need. I'm doing the same thing.
It's a phone! It's not the second coming, they're not taking your desktop away, and....chances are they won't try mind-control with it.
That's why I was calm and honest with my OP, and not some drooling anti-Apple reject.
Personally, I just want my phone to work, so that I can get things done and not troubleshoot why my phone is crashing.
::shrug:: my phone works perfectly fine, as did the Windows Mobile phone I had before it.
I suppose it's all in the user...
Why do we always feel obligated to put that at the end of our posts? Don't get me wrong, I do it all the time. But your entire most was I this and I that, you never once used the word "you". So of course its your opinion and you aren't speaking for others. But if you don't say it you risk people flaming back.
I do it because people asking why I'm including it is far less annoying than people asking why I'm "presenting my opinion like it's the only one that matters" :-) You're a regular around here...I'm sure you've seen it.