Not being a Linux expert myself - isn't there already containerization available for Linux applications? Give up a measly few percent of performance by not using cutting edge extension #3 and work in more distributions?
Although its worth noting that the power shock on a hard start can cause fatigue in soldered joints over time, potentially having a theoretical effect on component lifetime.
Many modern operating systems combined with the powerful components in a modern "gaming" PC can achieve recovery from cold boot OR from a deep sleep state very quickly.
Strongly suggested to use a UPS if you anticipate using sleep often but dont have a very stable local power grid, as sleep during an S1 or S3 sleep state can cause loss of system context, forcing a return from S0 (basically like a cold boot).
1) Don't care. Seriously. I pay for the power, if it gets more expensive, I pay for more units of electricity. 2) I don't go and blow a couple grand on PC components to have to worry about S3, S6 and other sleep states effect when recovering a power rig. 3) A great way to start the conversation is calling people's gaming computers "the beast" and suggesting someone should "green" anything. (/sarcasm) 4) greening the beast only works with no preceding subdomain (like www.) www.greeningthebeast.org fails 5) A google site? Seriously? Welcome to geocities in 2015. 6) Did this site publish a "market survey"? Really? Its a massive spreadsheet that is pretty much unexplained and someone expects gamers to make use of this? I've got experience in statistics and finance from my day job and some of this thing is still hieroglyphics to me. 6.5) Did I mention, I don't care about greening when it comes to my gaming rig? I think I did.
Sorry if I was unclear, but I wasnt trying to equate one to the other or say that putting this system together should be about as easy as your average iPhone application.
My intent was rather to give people who dont normally deal with enterprise class applications a point of reference for what two million lines of code is. As I have thought more about it, thats actually a pretty efficient code base for the level of functionality being discussed here.
Its not 2mil means FAA system eq iphone all.
Its Hey, 2 mil, gee thats hard to think about: basically they made a new version of the air traffic tracking and display with the level of raw code that you typically see in a well connected enterprise class iphone app.
As an architect, I actually run these kinds of projects all the time, at tens of millions of dollars scale.
I have had projects take as much as a decade. The idea that a system at that level of scale should reasonably take two decades is absurd and has nothing to do with naivete.
In some ways, I hope that you are joking about this. 20 years to deploy an application which tracks flight paths? Lets go crazy conservative. A year to write the app and 3 years of testing accross airports using parallel PoCs for integration UAT. Anything more than 5 or 6 is absurd @ 2 million lines of code, even if you credit a year or two for government scale requirements gathering.
Two million lines of code actually isn't that impressive, either for economy of code, or for scale of code, the two goals that you may publish such a statistic to support.
Windows 8? 40 million lines. Quake 3 engine? 30 million lines.
The government has just come out and told us that the scale of complexity in a system that "doubled" capacity and that they paid who knows how much for... has about the complexity of the average enterprise class iPhone application.
Wait, you write a new application from the ground up to operate on new hardware, in an era of grid computing, ridiculous amounts of possible ram and multi-core compute nodes, with modern programming structures that can hold obscene amounts of data in a single variable.... and you only managed to "double" the number of flights which can be tracked and analyzed?
Remember that unlike Google, Apple has deep manufacturing and retail ties into the Chinese market, which is seen as a key strategic part of cost management and future market/revenue expansion.
Even though CNNIC is very cozy with the Chinese MSS and the variety of PLA workforces associated with externally focused compromise, it is an organ of the Chinese government, which works differently from many others. If you were to offend the quasi-governmental agencies that deal IPs and such things in the US, you might not get "favorable" treatment, but the US FTC and others aren't exactly likely to swoop in and close you down either.
China has shown with Google and Twitter and others that if you aren't willing to play ball with their government, they have enough control over everything that they can effectively disadvantage you in the market. They can arbitrarily sieze assets, justice is somewhat malleable, and the Great Firewall means no matter how big you are, entire segments of you traffic base can be reduced because the average person isn't going to work hard to get around the censors.
The last thing Apple needs right now is to create another "front" to wrestle with a government on in such a strategic market. Even if the truth is that CNNIC probably isn't really the most trustworthy "root" in the world. But its also hard to blame them when the Snowden revelations have revealed that certain types of exported hardware devices could be diverted in the shipping process, etc, etc.
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Not being a Linux expert myself - isn't there already containerization available for Linux applications? Give up a measly few percent of performance by not using cutting edge extension #3 and work in more distributions?
Although its worth noting that the power shock on a hard start can cause fatigue in soldered joints over time, potentially having a theoretical effect on component lifetime.
Many modern operating systems combined with the powerful components in a modern "gaming" PC can achieve recovery from cold boot OR from a deep sleep state very quickly.
Strongly suggested to use a UPS if you anticipate using sleep often but dont have a very stable local power grid, as sleep during an S1 or S3 sleep state can cause loss of system context, forcing a return from S0 (basically like a cold boot).
1) Don't care. Seriously. I pay for the power, if it gets more expensive, I pay for more units of electricity.
2) I don't go and blow a couple grand on PC components to have to worry about S3, S6 and other sleep states effect when recovering a power rig.
3) A great way to start the conversation is calling people's gaming computers "the beast" and suggesting someone should "green" anything. (/sarcasm)
4) greening the beast only works with no preceding subdomain (like www.) www.greeningthebeast.org fails
5) A google site? Seriously? Welcome to geocities in 2015.
6) Did this site publish a "market survey"? Really? Its a massive spreadsheet that is pretty much unexplained and someone expects gamers to make use of this? I've got experience in statistics and finance from my day job and some of this thing is still hieroglyphics to me.
6.5) Did I mention, I don't care about greening when it comes to my gaming rig? I think I did.
Truth. Sounds like just about every government project, ever.
Sorry if I was unclear, but I wasnt trying to equate one to the other or say that putting this system together should be about as easy as your average iPhone application.
My intent was rather to give people who dont normally deal with enterprise class applications a point of reference for what two million lines of code is. As I have thought more about it, thats actually a pretty efficient code base for the level of functionality being discussed here.
Its not 2mil means FAA system eq iphone all.
Its Hey, 2 mil, gee thats hard to think about: basically they made a new version of the air traffic tracking and display with the level of raw code that you typically see in a well connected enterprise class iphone app.
As an architect, I actually run these kinds of projects all the time, at tens of millions of dollars scale.
I have had projects take as much as a decade. The idea that a system at that level of scale should reasonably take two decades is absurd and has nothing to do with naivete.
In some ways, I hope that you are joking about this. 20 years to deploy an application which tracks flight paths? Lets go crazy conservative. A year to write the app and 3 years of testing accross airports using parallel PoCs for integration UAT. Anything more than 5 or 6 is absurd @ 2 million lines of code, even if you credit a year or two for government scale requirements gathering.
Two million lines of code actually isn't that impressive, either for economy of code, or for scale of code, the two goals that you may publish such a statistic to support.
Windows 8? 40 million lines.
Quake 3 engine? 30 million lines.
The government has just come out and told us that the scale of complexity in a system that "doubled" capacity and that they paid who knows how much for... has about the complexity of the average enterprise class iPhone application.
Wait, you write a new application from the ground up to operate on new hardware, in an era of grid computing, ridiculous amounts of possible ram and multi-core compute nodes, with modern programming structures that can hold obscene amounts of data in a single variable.... and you only managed to "double" the number of flights which can be tracked and analyzed?
Remember that unlike Google, Apple has deep manufacturing and retail ties into the Chinese market, which is seen as a key strategic part of cost management and future market/revenue expansion.
Even though CNNIC is very cozy with the Chinese MSS and the variety of PLA workforces associated with externally focused compromise, it is an organ of the Chinese government, which works differently from many others. If you were to offend the quasi-governmental agencies that deal IPs and such things in the US, you might not get "favorable" treatment, but the US FTC and others aren't exactly likely to swoop in and close you down either.
China has shown with Google and Twitter and others that if you aren't willing to play ball with their government, they have enough control over everything that they can effectively disadvantage you in the market. They can arbitrarily sieze assets, justice is somewhat malleable, and the Great Firewall means no matter how big you are, entire segments of you traffic base can be reduced because the average person isn't going to work hard to get around the censors.
The last thing Apple needs right now is to create another "front" to wrestle with a government on in such a strategic market. Even if the truth is that CNNIC probably isn't really the most trustworthy "root" in the world. But its also hard to blame them when the Snowden revelations have revealed that certain types of exported hardware devices could be diverted in the shipping process, etc, etc.