Information on us is gathered by computer every day -- credit card transactions, flights taken, bank transactions and the like. Most of that evidence does not give officers grounds for arrest but thankfully, it is available to determine if further evidence can be gathered against a potential criminal or if a search warrant can be granted. If total information privacy existed where most economic activity occurs (digitally), law enforcement staffing budgets would have to increase to an untenable level to get anything done. So, in the information age, privacy can only come by protecting such information from the public eye and by denying access to it from other agencies of goverment. Civil liberties can only be upheld by protecting the public from unwarranted search, ceasure, arrest and incarceration. The ACLU is totally off the mark on this one. It should step out of the 50s, and retool their thinking for the information age.
If God were created by something else, who created that something else?
So, we are talking about a timeline that is infinite. You are looking at the eternal past. Something must fill it to bring us the information (order) we observe today.
Evolutionists contend order/complexity came gradually from a universe in an endless cycle of expansion and collapse. At each collapse, new order and information inevitably comes anew. This is inconsistent with the Second Law of Thermodynamics applied to biology (See 1). The law states useful heat moves from hot bodies to cold bodies until its usefulness is nil. That is, ordered systems tend towards disorder.(See 2).
One example among thousands is ribose, a building block of RNA and DNA. It has a half-life of 44 years at 0 degrees Celcius ph 7.0 (neutral) and 73 minutes at 100C. Primitive earth was supposedly hot enough to allow pre-biotic chemical reactions fast enough to form life. OK, chance! We got the right chemicals in this pocket of heat! Build me a primitive DNA system at 99C in 80 minutes! DNA must self-repair itself(3) for all kinds of reasons, not just half-lives of its components.
At the very beginning of the evolutionary model in the pre-biotic soup. In the very first self-replicating life. What came first? the information, the RNA/DNA or the molecular machine that copies it to replicate the primitive life? The "self-replicating hard-drive carries the data that describes how to create a self-replicating hard-drive with its casing and the whole computer"? BLOWS MY MIND! Even self-replication requires the initial information. That is, the RNA/DNA instructions on how to sequence the protein machines that do the replication. At this primitive level, there isn't even a DNA on which the trial and error process of natural selection can start recording. There's no memory! The only logical answer is the information was preloaded by a technician from a CD into my Hard Drive which was placed in the computer.
Self-replicating life has to be the starting point!
Religions look to Louis Pasteur, life comes from life or something that can create life.
Religions answer the question, what came first? the information in the DNA, or the creature? Both!
Religions fills the eternal past with something independent of the universe that can give the universe its initial order, information and finely tuned laws.
You ask: "Who created this God?".
The only possible answer comes from the Jews. It is the root meaning of the Hebrew word Jehova: "Self-existant one". Only an eternal being can fill the eternal past.
Science see similarity as common ancestor. Religion sees a common designer.
Evolution was an elegant model to explain things before the age of DNA. There's so much evidence against it, that it has left the realm of science and has become dogma at the same level of religion.
A new naturalistic model must be found for atheists to reclaim the scepter of science. Now, biologists are hiring design engineers and mechanical engineers to understand what they are looking at, the realm of Intelligent Design.
I'd go to see another point of view. Creation and Intelligent Design scientists offer a much needed dissenting voice. They keep scientists honest(see Hoaxes List) and bring up interesting problems that the theory of Evolution must overcome.
For example, Eberhard Breitmaier of the University of Bonn had purportedly solved a major obstacle to the Theory of Evolution, homochirality. His work was based on teammate Guido Zadel's thesis on mirror-image enantiomers like the infamous thalidomide (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide#Teratogen ic_mechanism). Amino acids, occur randomly in nature as two molecular mirror images (enantiomers) called L (levo) and D (dextro). The obstacle to the prebiotic soup idea was, and still is, that proteins in all living things are built entirely of L-amino acids.
Breitmaier and his team found that a magnetic field could force chemical reactions to favor L-amino acids ( Science 13 May 1994). No one could duplicate their experiment. Scientists went to Breitmaier's lab to see it done again. It worked as stated until Breitmaier tried without
Zadel's help. Zadel had been spiking the solution with large amounts of single-enantiomer additive (Science July 1, 1994, Clery, D and Bradley, D. Underhanded 'breakthrough' revealed, vol. 265:21).
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Information on us is gathered by computer every day -- credit card transactions, flights taken, bank transactions and the like. Most of that evidence does not give officers grounds for arrest but thankfully, it is available to determine if further evidence can be gathered against a potential criminal or if a search warrant can be granted. If total information privacy existed where most economic activity occurs (digitally), law enforcement staffing budgets would have to increase to an untenable level to get anything done. So, in the information age, privacy can only come by protecting such information from the public eye and by denying access to it from other agencies of goverment. Civil liberties can only be upheld by protecting the public from unwarranted search, ceasure, arrest and incarceration. The ACLU is totally off the mark on this one. It should step out of the 50s, and retool their thinking for the information age.
If God were created by something else, who created that something else?
So, we are talking about a timeline that is infinite. You are looking at the eternal past. Something must fill it to bring us the information (order) we observe today.
Evolutionists contend order/complexity came gradually from a universe in an endless cycle of expansion and collapse. At each collapse, new order and information inevitably comes anew. This is inconsistent with the Second Law of Thermodynamics applied to biology (See 1). The law states useful heat moves from hot bodies to cold bodies until its usefulness is nil. That is, ordered systems tend towards disorder.(See 2).
One example among thousands is ribose, a building block of RNA and DNA. It has a half-life of 44 years at 0 degrees Celcius ph 7.0 (neutral) and 73 minutes at 100C. Primitive earth was supposedly hot enough to allow pre-biotic chemical reactions fast enough to form life. OK, chance! We got the right chemicals in this pocket of heat! Build me a primitive DNA system at 99C in 80 minutes! DNA must self-repair itself(3) for all kinds of reasons, not just half-lives of its components.
At the very beginning of the evolutionary model in the pre-biotic soup. In the very first self-replicating life. What came first? the information, the RNA/DNA or the molecular machine that copies it to replicate the primitive life? The "self-replicating hard-drive carries the data that describes how to create a self-replicating hard-drive with its casing and the whole computer"? BLOWS MY MIND! Even self-replication requires the initial information. That is, the RNA/DNA instructions on how to sequence the protein machines that do the replication. At this primitive level, there isn't even a DNA on which the trial and error process of natural selection can start recording. There's no memory! The only logical answer is the information was preloaded by a technician from a CD into my Hard Drive which was placed in the computer.
Self-replicating life has to be the starting point!
Religions look to Louis Pasteur, life comes from life or something that can create life. Religions answer the question, what came first? the information in the DNA, or the creature? Both!
Religions fills the eternal past with something independent of the universe that can give the universe its initial order, information and finely tuned laws.
You ask: "Who created this God? ".
The only possible answer comes from the Jews. It is the root meaning of the Hebrew word Jehova: "Self-existant one". Only an eternal being can fill the eternal past.
Science see similarity as common ancestor. Religion sees a common designer.
Evolution was an elegant model to explain things before the age of DNA. There's so much evidence against it, that it has left the realm of science and has become dogma at the same level of religion.
A new naturalistic model must be found for atheists to reclaim the scepter of science. Now, biologists are hiring design engineers and mechanical engineers to understand what they are looking at, the realm of Intelligent Design.
References:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_thermodyna mics
Applications to living systems http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermod ynamics#Applications_to_living_systems
2. Entropy = loss of heat required for useful work(chemical reactions for example) = disorder See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy#Standard_text book_definitions
Enthalpy - gain of heat required for useful work = order (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthalpy)
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I'd go to see another point of view. Creation and Intelligent Design scientists offer a much needed dissenting voice. They keep scientists honest(see Hoaxes List) and bring up interesting problems that the theory of Evolution must overcome.
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For example, Eberhard Breitmaier of the University of Bonn had purportedly solved a major obstacle to the Theory of Evolution, homochirality. His work was based on teammate Guido Zadel's thesis on mirror-image enantiomers like the infamous thalidomide (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide#Teratoge
Breitmaier and his team found that a magnetic field could force chemical reactions to favor L-amino acids ( Science 13 May 1994). No one could duplicate their experiment. Scientists went to Breitmaier's lab to see it done again. It worked as stated until Breitmaier tried without Zadel's help. Zadel had been spiking the solution with large amounts of single-enantiomer additive (Science July 1, 1994, Clery, D and Bradley, D. Underhanded 'breakthrough' revealed, vol. 265:21).
Until proven otherwise, the prebiotic soup idea is as impossible as the idea of spontaneous generation that Louis Pasteur killed with his Law of Biogenesis. Life can only come from life or, by extention, something independent of life that can create life. (See Homochirality problem http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i3/chirali
Hoaxes List:
Ernst Haeckel's embryo drawings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryo_drawings
Piltdown Man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man
Nebraska_man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_man
Ota Benga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ota_Benga
Eberhard and Zadel's spiked 'breakthrough' Science July 1, 1994
There's more. I strongly recommend three DVDs from amazon.com Icons of Evolution, Priviledged Planet and Unlocking the Mystery of Life. I have also written on homochirality at http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum/index.php