Yep. Keep blaming the admins. They are the ones who obviously wanted to make sure that the 300+ developers, engineers and tech writers aren't able to print any work over a network printer. Funny how those same idiots were able to get it to work fine from our XP boxes (and from our Linux VMs as well).
So you are saying that network settings NEVER trigger UAC dialogues? No wonder you refuse to believe that UAC is an annoying, useless, poorly thought out waste of time. You don't believe the hundreds of claims on slashdot that we are innundated by UAC dialogues because you don't WANT to believe it. You even go as far as blaming everying under the sun EXCEPT Vista, which is strange, because BEFORE Vista, there were no annoying UAC dialogues.
Uh, I wasn't speaking only behalf of myself, but for the thousands of intelligent slashdot users who are offended by the simplistic logic posted by so many people in this thread. It was, however, a subtle dig at all the fools on this board who feel enabled because they have a semester of computer science on their transcript yet do not possess the critical thinking skills required to understand this article is neither valid nor reliable (and thus unusable for research purposes. In other words, it's trash).
It was also a not so subtle dig at Computer Science, as that field tends to over-evaluate numbers and overlooks human factors on a consistent basis. (My advanced degree is in Computer Education, so I'm not totally exempt).
While I like your response, it isn't entirely accurate, because my post was sarcastic. If I didn't know what straw-man and appeal-for-authority meant, your post would be spot-on. But I do, and I posted as such on purpose out of sarcasm.
Finally, the main thing I wanted to bring across is that I'm sick and tired of slashdotters dropping the "fanboi" label just because some numbers actually support a belief once in a while. The mere mention of "fanboi" (in my book) makes all points in the post no longer valid. Dropping "fanboi" shows more bias than the person one is calling a "fanboi" in the first place. I wish I took more debate classes because I could figure out what the logical fallacy is called behind this concept.
LOL. I'm printing your post and taking it to my idiot sysadmins. Considering I work for a large software company that is CMMI Level 5 certified, a Microsoft Certified Partner, and ISO 9001:2000 compliant, they'll get a good laugh at your post. You sound like "that guy" who is eager to help anyone/everyone fix their windows PC only to dork it up even more.
Surprise. I have a job. My company develops software for PCs, so yeah, I kinda use Microsoft OSes every day. It's a good thing I have a choice for my home computers, however (which is kind of my point).
What about those of us with a bit of an education (more than a B.S. in Computer Science, for example) who recognize poor data analysis and biased conclusions that are void of any academic credibility or validity? Does that make me a Mac fanboy or something, or just an intelligent person?
Weak passwords are overrated. I use all lowercase letters that are merely a form of my name. I've never been hacked, and I ran NO password for over 5 years (how's THAT for cavalier?). Hack away, if you can. I'm running OS X.5.1. and I'd give you my IP address, but I'm a Mac user and I'm not supposed to know where to find that;-)
Sell your Toshiba on eBay (for a loss), then buy a MacBook. If you don't like it, sell your MacBook on eBay (for nearly what you paid for it). That's ONE thing that has kept me on a Mac for the past 20 years.
You've pointed out one of the main reasons MacOS is far superior to Vista. I don't ever want to be bothered by a stupid pop-up window, yet Windows takes every chance it can to do so. Even if it is a legit warning, there are so many times where it isn't, that it becomes the proverbial boy-crying-wolf. It isn't long until even the smartest of users will start disregarding the messages. You make it sound like anything bad that happens to a computer is the stupid user's fault for getting fed up with a hundred warnings a day, of which one might be credible. Funny, I get none of these warnings in OSX, yet I haven't had a single security incident since day one of 10.0.0.
You fail to accept that, without customers, businesses wouldn't exist. That is arrogant, not the fact that I expect a company to makes something worth my money before I just fork it over for something they *think* I want. You have profiled quite nicely the consumer mentality that has allowed Microsoft to flourish, in SPITE of their mediocre products.
You are right about one thing though; I definitely don't like it and I have spoken by NOT buying it.
The pre-iphone hysteria was touting the iphone as being the device that would liberate US consumers from the shackles of the telcos./blockquote.
Wow. That is the most creative memory I've seen posted here in a while. All I remember is how the iPhone was supposed to revolutionize phone UI, but would be crippled by the inclusion of only one carrier.
You mean like when Apple decided to go with Firewire, when the whole world was going with USB?
Firewire is not dependent on any operating system or architecture, never has been. It is also a industry standard (IEEE 1394 interface). De facto usage and standards are a different thing.
Apple didn't go against USB in favor of Firewire; it went with both for two different purposes. It took the PC world a good five years to catch up (and some PCs still don't ship with Firewire and USB). USB didn't gain widely accepted usage until APPLE made it standard on all Macs in the late 90s, starting with the colored iMacs.
This conversation brings up a bigger issue. What's with the Windows shortcut keys in general over the past 12 years, anyway? Why are some shortcuts the "alt" key, yet others are the "ctrl" key? Why are some "shortcuts" buried two or three levels deep with no way to implement them from the top layer, sometimes requiring a "ctrl" key shortuct followed by an "alt" key?...just a peeve of mine, and yet another example of how Microsoft just doesn't get it.
The ribbon seems to be love/hate. Personally, I think it goes against good intuitive computing. The early Macs made computing intuitive because all you had to do was look around in the menus and figure out what they did. You learned tricks and shortcuts that remain in place to this day. Then come ribbons which *may* be better? but go so against the established paradigm of explore-menu-options-and-figure-it-out that it is baffling to most users (power users and relative newbies alike).
I'm curious to hear why people like the ribbon. Is it because it is something new and different, or doest it really improve productivity? Other than it removing all the little ridiculous Microsoft buttons from the top of the screen, what does it accomplish?
I'm pretty sure PC mag is stating that the Macbook Pro is the fastest laptop THEY'VE tested using Vista. That doesn't mean it IS the fastest, just the fastest of those they've run tests on.
Since this article doesn't support their claim, and neither does your counter-argument, I'd love to see where a MacBook Pro stands in relation to comparable PCs. Anyone have a link?
The iPhone entry should have been bundled with the complaint about the wireless providers, since that seems to be the major gripe against the iPhone. I'm happy with AT&T myself, but then again, I live 70 miles for AT&T World HQ, so maybe my infrastructure is better.
Blame the stupid/cheap ass consumers. They buy the Microsoft stuff, then they complain about the Microsoft stuff when it doesn't work. If you don't buy it and buy something else like MacOS or Linux, you are some sort of weirdo "fanboi". That's the LAST thing the average insecure American consumer wants.
Well I'm home and have been able to test it on a Mac. The problem exists ONLY if you close the window but don't quit the app. I've tested it in Safari, Firefox and Camino, and if you QUIT the application, you MUST reenter the login/password every time.
Simply put, you have to be a newbie Mac user and not understand that clicking the red button only closes the window (and doesn't quit the app). I can't vouch for your keychain explanation on public computers though. It seems like it wouldn't work, since everyone has a different keychain password anyway.
So to summarize, in every aspect, this is a non-story, except if you lack the understanding of how a Mac handles windows. Closing a window on a Mac doesn't quit the program. This has been standard-operating-procedure on Macs, though, since at LEAST 1988, so I fail to see how this is a security problem at all.
I guess Apple could put up a message saying, "Dear user, although you've closed the current window, you actually haven't quit the application. Welcome to Macintosh, circa 1984. Now stop applying Windows logic to our otherwise very solid operating system."
You are correct...at least on a PC. When I close the browser out and try to go back in, I get either an account error, or I'm forced to log back in with my userid and login (depending on history you go back to). This is a non-problem propgated by the ever-so-popular movement to take cheap shots at Apple at any given turn, regardless of truth.
The only thing I can think of is if you go into the history on a Mac, it doesn't make you log back in, but I'll have to wait until I get home to try it.
We don't know if Apple REALLY removed comments, or if this guy is just claiming they did. Secondly, we don't know the content of his comments. Perhaps they were vile and inappropriate and/or non-contructive? I'm trying to find more "proof" of this claim, but there is nothing linked in this/. "story". There's always a second side to the story as they say...
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Yep. Keep blaming the admins. They are the ones who obviously wanted to make sure that the 300+ developers, engineers and tech writers aren't able to print any work over a network printer. Funny how those same idiots were able to get it to work fine from our XP boxes (and from our Linux VMs as well).
So you are saying that network settings NEVER trigger UAC dialogues? No wonder you refuse to believe that UAC is an annoying, useless, poorly thought out waste of time. You don't believe the hundreds of claims on slashdot that we are innundated by UAC dialogues because you don't WANT to believe it. You even go as far as blaming everying under the sun EXCEPT Vista, which is strange, because BEFORE Vista, there were no annoying UAC dialogues.
It was also a not so subtle dig at Computer Science, as that field tends to over-evaluate numbers and overlooks human factors on a consistent basis. (My advanced degree is in Computer Education, so I'm not totally exempt).
While I like your response, it isn't entirely accurate, because my post was sarcastic. If I didn't know what straw-man and appeal-for-authority meant, your post would be spot-on. But I do, and I posted as such on purpose out of sarcasm.
Finally, the main thing I wanted to bring across is that I'm sick and tired of slashdotters dropping the "fanboi" label just because some numbers actually support a belief once in a while. The mere mention of "fanboi" (in my book) makes all points in the post no longer valid. Dropping "fanboi" shows more bias than the person one is calling a "fanboi" in the first place. I wish I took more debate classes because I could figure out what the logical fallacy is called behind this concept.
LOL. I'm printing your post and taking it to my idiot sysadmins. Considering I work for a large software company that is CMMI Level 5 certified, a Microsoft Certified Partner, and ISO 9001:2000 compliant, they'll get a good laugh at your post. You sound like "that guy" who is eager to help anyone/everyone fix their windows PC only to dork it up even more.
Surprise. I have a job. My company develops software for PCs, so yeah, I kinda use Microsoft OSes every day. It's a good thing I have a choice for my home computers, however (which is kind of my point).
What about those of us with a bit of an education (more than a B.S. in Computer Science, for example) who recognize poor data analysis and biased conclusions that are void of any academic credibility or validity? Does that make me a Mac fanboy or something, or just an intelligent person?
Weak passwords are overrated. I use all lowercase letters that are merely a form of my name. I've never been hacked, and I ran NO password for over 5 years (how's THAT for cavalier?). Hack away, if you can. I'm running OS X.5.1. and I'd give you my IP address, but I'm a Mac user and I'm not supposed to know where to find that ;-)
Sell your Toshiba on eBay (for a loss), then buy a MacBook. If you don't like it, sell your MacBook on eBay (for nearly what you paid for it). That's ONE thing that has kept me on a Mac for the past 20 years.
You've pointed out one of the main reasons MacOS is far superior to Vista. I don't ever want to be bothered by a stupid pop-up window, yet Windows takes every chance it can to do so. Even if it is a legit warning, there are so many times where it isn't, that it becomes the proverbial boy-crying-wolf. It isn't long until even the smartest of users will start disregarding the messages. You make it sound like anything bad that happens to a computer is the stupid user's fault for getting fed up with a hundred warnings a day, of which one might be credible. Funny, I get none of these warnings in OSX, yet I haven't had a single security incident since day one of 10.0.0.
You are right about one thing though; I definitely don't like it and I have spoken by NOT buying it.
This conversation brings up a bigger issue. What's with the Windows shortcut keys in general over the past 12 years, anyway? Why are some shortcuts the "alt" key, yet others are the "ctrl" key? Why are some "shortcuts" buried two or three levels deep with no way to implement them from the top layer, sometimes requiring a "ctrl" key shortuct followed by an "alt" key? ...just a peeve of mine, and yet another example of how Microsoft just doesn't get it.
I'm curious to hear why people like the ribbon. Is it because it is something new and different, or doest it really improve productivity? Other than it removing all the little ridiculous Microsoft buttons from the top of the screen, what does it accomplish?
Since this article doesn't support their claim, and neither does your counter-argument, I'd love to see where a MacBook Pro stands in relation to comparable PCs. Anyone have a link?
The iPhone entry should have been bundled with the complaint about the wireless providers, since that seems to be the major gripe against the iPhone. I'm happy with AT&T myself, but then again, I live 70 miles for AT&T World HQ, so maybe my infrastructure is better.
Blame the stupid/cheap ass consumers. They buy the Microsoft stuff, then they complain about the Microsoft stuff when it doesn't work. If you don't buy it and buy something else like MacOS or Linux, you are some sort of weirdo "fanboi". That's the LAST thing the average insecure American consumer wants.
Simply put, you have to be a newbie Mac user and not understand that clicking the red button only closes the window (and doesn't quit the app). I can't vouch for your keychain explanation on public computers though. It seems like it wouldn't work, since everyone has a different keychain password anyway.
So to summarize, in every aspect, this is a non-story, except if you lack the understanding of how a Mac handles windows. Closing a window on a Mac doesn't quit the program. This has been standard-operating-procedure on Macs, though, since at LEAST 1988, so I fail to see how this is a security problem at all.
I guess Apple could put up a message saying, "Dear user, although you've closed the current window, you actually haven't quit the application. Welcome to Macintosh, circa 1984. Now stop applying Windows logic to our otherwise very solid operating system."
The only thing I can think of is if you go into the history on a Mac, it doesn't make you log back in, but I'll have to wait until I get home to try it.
We don't know if Apple REALLY removed comments, or if this guy is just claiming they did. Secondly, we don't know the content of his comments. Perhaps they were vile and inappropriate and/or non-contructive? I'm trying to find more "proof" of this claim, but there is nothing linked in this /. "story". There's always a second side to the story as they say...