It happens every single day. When the doctors have incentive to find a malady that probably doesn't exist, they look extra hard. Hell, even when they don't find anything, they still make a lot of money.
The other posts are wrong about the flyovers agreement. Did you miss the part where I said I teach this stuff? There was no agreement before the two blackhawks went in, thus the stealth. You are right, their radars didn't matter at all because they were completely ineffective.
Frankly your injection of my perceived bigotry is just lame.
I never said anything about how good Pakistan's air defense is compared to American air defense (it's not as good, if you are asking), and I most certainly never stated anything about Pakistanis being inferior to Americans.
Thanks for putting words into my mouth. I'm frankly astonished you could read so much into my 25 word post.
You know what's cooler than being ultra-patriotic? Not drawing radical conclusions from a 25 word post and not projecting your own insecurities on the rest of this thread.
That's exactly my point. Thanks. Macs are open because you can run anything on them. The guy I was responding to said "Macs were closed from the beginning". I never said OSX was open, I only said that Macs were not closed.
The helicopter was SHOT DOWN BY AN RPG. RPGs don't hit stealth helicopters.
Wow, as much as I hate seeing [citation needed] I'm going to say, [citation needed]
You are wrong on two accounts. First, nobody anywhere has reported the helicopter was shot down by an RPG. Second, an RPG is a point-and-shoot weapon. Stealth would not prevent somebody from pointing an RPG at the helicopter and shooting it. Stealth DOES prevent radar guided munitions from finding their target, but when you have bad guy looking at the bird, aiming, then pulling the trigger, that rocket is going the direction it was pointed and no amount of STEALTH is going to prevent it from being hit (if the aim is on target).
The stealth was required first so as not to get shot down by Pakistani air defense units, because they couldn't be trusted to tell them ahead of time that we were going in. Once the SEAL mission was underway, the Pakistani government was informed that 2 large and noisy Chinooks would be following, and requested that they not be shot at. Stealth no longer needed.
So, why did they go in last weekend? A UK paper has speculated it was because enough information was in the Guantanamo Bay files distributed by WikiLeaks to tip off Osama that his hideout had been compromised. They had to act before Osama disappeared again.
No no no. If my crazy facebook friends are to be believed, it was done NOW because President Obama has started his reelection campaign!
I would hope the majority of civilians within ear shot of the raid would have been far away from the exploding helicopter by the time the B-52 strikes came.
I was in Military Intelligence for 12 years. I was consistently underwhelmed by our secret gadgets. Special Forces, on the other hand, get all the good stuff!
That's credible. Now please explain to me how they got 24 seals complete with combat equipment, two flight crews, a body and lots of swag - total at least 6,000 pounds - out in the one remaining chopper.
Uh, when you kill everyone on the compound, you can take your sweet time leaving? They continued the mission, killed bad guys, detained wives, then waited for the backup ride home.
If we are trying to incentivize fuel-efficiency, increase the tax for less fuel-efficient vehicles. Forget the notion of if the car is an SUV or a sub-compact, or by how many cylinders or displacement (like they do in Europe). Go strictly buy MPG. My Mazdaspeed 3 is a small 4 cylinder "economy" car, yet it gets about 18mpg, because it has 264 hp and is turbo charged. I can get similar fuel economy from a V8 Mustang GT, but it would be taxed to death by short sighted European policies.
If we are trying to charge large heavy vehicles more for road damage, then do that.
If we are trying to do both, then it should be a factor of miles per driven plus weight of vehicle with some sort of control for the fuel economy of the car.
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Either you are sadly misinformed or tragically stupid.
I vote both.
It happens every single day. When the doctors have incentive to find a malady that probably doesn't exist, they look extra hard. Hell, even when they don't find anything, they still make a lot of money.
The other posts are wrong about the flyovers agreement. Did you miss the part where I said I teach this stuff? There was no agreement before the two blackhawks went in, thus the stealth. You are right, their radars didn't matter at all because they were completely ineffective.
Frankly your injection of my perceived bigotry is just lame.
How do you know that their radar is pathetic? .
Because I teach it to military students.
I never said anything about how good Pakistan's air defense is compared to American air defense (it's not as good, if you are asking), and I most certainly never stated anything about Pakistanis being inferior to Americans.
Thanks for putting words into my mouth. I'm frankly astonished you could read so much into my 25 word post.
You know what's cooler than being ultra-patriotic? Not drawing radical conclusions from a 25 word post and not projecting your own insecurities on the rest of this thread.
Don't get your hopes up with Sharepoint. This is quite possibly the single worst piece of crap ware I've encountered in the past 2 years.
That's exactly my point. Thanks. Macs are open because you can run anything on them. The guy I was responding to said "Macs were closed from the beginning". I never said OSX was open, I only said that Macs were not closed.
You said "probably" not "can be". It isn't "probably" something completely new. As I've indicated, it's a slightly modified existing UH60 tail piece.
The helicopter was SHOT DOWN BY AN RPG. RPGs don't hit stealth helicopters.
Wow, as much as I hate seeing [citation needed] I'm going to say, [citation needed]
You are wrong on two accounts. First, nobody anywhere has reported the helicopter was shot down by an RPG. Second, an RPG is a point-and-shoot weapon. Stealth would not prevent somebody from pointing an RPG at the helicopter and shooting it. Stealth DOES prevent radar guided munitions from finding their target, but when you have bad guy looking at the bird, aiming, then pulling the trigger, that rocket is going the direction it was pointed and no amount of STEALTH is going to prevent it from being hit (if the aim is on target).
Exactly. I'm trying to figure out where people are drawing the conclusion that Pakistan has the parts and are going to be selling them off to China.
A lot of other countries are going to want to figure out how we did this.
Not to sound too obvious, but, uh, with stealth helicopters?
The stealth was required first so as not to get shot down by Pakistani air defense units, because they couldn't be trusted to tell them ahead of time that we were going in. Once the SEAL mission was underway, the Pakistani government was informed that 2 large and noisy Chinooks would be following, and requested that they not be shot at. Stealth no longer needed.
So, why did they go in last weekend? A UK paper has speculated it was because enough information was in the Guantanamo Bay files distributed by WikiLeaks to tip off Osama that his hideout had been compromised. They had to act before Osama disappeared again.
No no no. If my crazy facebook friends are to be believed, it was done NOW because President Obama has started his reelection campaign!
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Pakistani culture is rife with nepotism and bribery
5. Profit?
I would hope the majority of civilians within ear shot of the raid would have been far away from the exploding helicopter by the time the B-52 strikes came.
It hid pretty well from all of Pakistan's air defense radars, which is the point of stealth aircraft.
We didn't even have to use stealthy aircraft to avoid the pathetic Pakistani air defense radar networks. But it didn't hurt to be extra stealthy.
The point of stealth is to be invisible to radar, as it is impractical to worry about stealthing a helicopter from view or from being heard.
side-by-side comparisons show it is a slightly modified tail wing of a Blackhawk. It's hardly "completely new".
I was in Military Intelligence for 12 years. I was consistently underwhelmed by our secret gadgets. Special Forces, on the other hand, get all the good stuff!
It's not Top Secret. If it were, we wouldn't be hearing about it.
Yeah, no more need to be stealthy once the bad guys are dead.
That's credible. Now please explain to me how they got 24 seals complete with combat equipment, two flight crews, a body and lots of swag - total at least 6,000 pounds - out in the one remaining chopper.
Uh, when you kill everyone on the compound, you can take your sweet time leaving? They continued the mission, killed bad guys, detained wives, then waited for the backup ride home.
The most elite unit of the special forces get special equipment...wow, could have ever imagined that?
What a seriously boring non-story.
The usual suspects are overthinking the issue(s).
If we are trying to incentivize fuel-efficiency, increase the tax for less fuel-efficient vehicles. Forget the notion of if the car is an SUV or a sub-compact, or by how many cylinders or displacement (like they do in Europe). Go strictly buy MPG. My Mazdaspeed 3 is a small 4 cylinder "economy" car, yet it gets about 18mpg, because it has 264 hp and is turbo charged. I can get similar fuel economy from a V8 Mustang GT, but it would be taxed to death by short sighted European policies.
If we are trying to charge large heavy vehicles more for road damage, then do that.
If we are trying to do both, then it should be a factor of miles per driven plus weight of vehicle with some sort of control for the fuel economy of the car.
Or, we could go with the "flat" tax we have now.
Don't most states have annual car registration? How can you lie when you have to report your odometer reading every year?