Hey that's my mantra in the classroom over the past 15 years (I teach Education Technology at a community college). People who don't like Apple are generally trying to apply Windows logic to a device that doesn't work like Windows.
I had the exact same scenario (and it was even an old Canon printer) with my in-laws. They tried for 2 days to install drivers and software. I went over, plugged the printer into the computer, opened the file and printed it.
But you know, the "it just works" thing is all marketing and has no basis in reality.
What your company has done (and what a lot of companie are doing) is they realized that a full desktop OS is overly complex, but an imbedded device is too simplistic and inflexible to accomplish most field work. The iPad fits the niche perfectly of offering the functionality of multiple embedded devices on one device, but without the complexity and support requirements of a desktop OS.
In my 10 years of hearing the term fanboy (in regards to any product, not just Apple products), I've yet to hear somebody use it with convincing logic attached.
To me, if you use the term fanboy in your post, you are admitting defeat.
Are you serious? Only a true hater would remotely contend that Apple somehow stole the standard they initiated.
IEEE 1394 was initiated by Apple (in 1986[2]) and developed by the IEEE P1394 Working Group, largely driven by contributions from Apple, although major contributions were also made by engineers from Texas Instruments, Sony, Digital Equipment Corporation, IBM, and INMOS/SGS Thomson (now STMicroelectronics).
I'll ignore the tired Xerox argument.
They didn't steal FireWire, they initiated it.
Contrast Apple's track record to Microsofts blatant 'wait until the competitor makes something good, then copy it badly'.
Ever notice the Window Phone guy looks just a little bit like the Android guy? They aren't even original with stupid cartoon brand identity!
Except for everything you just said is revisionist history, and actually proves your point to be invalid.
The only thing that saved it from utter irrelevance was, ironically, Microsoft Office.
The things that saved MacOS were:
A thriving journalism industry that chose the best tool for the job between 1984-1995.
A thriving journalism industry that took their medium to the Internet.
The return of a CEO with passion for making cool stuff (and yes, bad mice), as oppossed to a CEO who wanted to run a cool company like the soft-drink company he came from.
The Internet.
The Internet.
The Internet.
The Mac lost out against the PC. Nobody was interested in Macs.
. News flash...the Mac hasn't lost anything. Have you not been paying attention for the past decade?
Apple wasn't making a lot of money selling Mac technology like Microsoft was
Apple was making *enough* money, and the amount of money Microsoft was making is irrelevant to how much money Apple was making.
a lot of software developers ignored it, there were hardly any games for the system.
Software developers most certainly have never ignored Apple. If they did, there would be no Apple, because Apple needs software.
There still are hardly any games for the system. That isn't hurting them, nor has it ever hurt them in the past.
The point is that sometimes there's a real war going on and second-best really isn't enough. Sooner or later competitive exclusion will force one player to the sidelines.
There is no war. That is why Apple is still around and Microsoft still makes a lot of stuff for OSX. Neither player is "on the sidelines", nor is either player even on the same field, at times.
In defense of OP, if you aren't a geek (which you obviously are), you are most likely not even going to realize your Windows PC has Media Center on it, since Microsoft does such a horrible job of making it obvious it is there.
Microsoft FAILS because their media centers are flat out hard to use. They do not integrate all the different media formats elegantly. They've never been able to manage multimedia very well in the OS, so pushing it across multiple devices in the home has no chance.
With that, you can do some pretty powerful stuff with Win7 Media Center, if you want to nerd out and take the time to figure out how to get it all working. Meanwhile, Mom and Dad have their AppleTV on watching some dumb movie they just rented from the iTunes store, while I'm in the other room trying to get Media Center to recognize my latest "extender", or trying to figure out which codec I need...bah!
Apple will never replace Microsoft in the workplace, because they don't want to
Well said. This is just as valid today as it was the first time I said it in 1987-ish.
When will people realize that Apple is not competing against Microsoft? If they spent all their time obsessing about stealing Microsoft markets, all they'd accomplish is cheap knock-offs of other companies' innovation (kind of like Microsoft).
I thought WarIII was just more of the same, with better graphics. WarII is actually more fun (but maybe that was just because at the time it was very fun). Had I not played WarII for a billion hours, I think I probably would have thought WarIII was the best game ever.
That kind of really goes for any RTS. Whichever one you discovered first is most likely to have been the "best" in your recollection.
A good sequel avoids MOTS (more of the same) gameplay. After playing any one of the tens of RTS games of the mid/late 90s, all the sequels were just MOTS with better graphics. I really need to try Starcraft II to see if it breaks from the MOTS mold.
Whereas WoW built greatly on the lore of Warcraft II, one needn't know a single thing about Warcraft II to enjoy WoW. This is the opposite of MOTS. The flipside to this sort of progession is Age of Empires type games where they do not capitalize on interesting historical stuff nor do they make the tech trees staggeringly complex...they just make prettier houses and faster clicking game-play. Shame, really. I don't blame the game copmanies though. Gamers want fast frenetic mindless game play most of the time and can't be bored with lore.
Bad analogy, because you don't HAVE to go through a TSA security line. You do, however, have to exist amongst everyday law enforcement personnel who can arrest you anywhere for anything.
Yes, let's hit the gun cabinets and stand up for our rights! Guns will solve everything!
Wake me up when there's real tyranny and I need to reassemble the bolt group on my AR-15.
While a lot of good info is harvested from arresting bad guys and taking their phones, my industry at least pretends to wait until we are issued a warrant before we do anything with the information we get from the phones.
Using the info without a warrant is just bad law enforcement practice and will do more harm than good in the long run.
Yes it is illegal under the Magnuson-Moss Act. You can have your stuff serviced anywhere you like without voiding your warranty. However, you can't insist that Apple pays for it if you use somebody they don't certify. That's to say, if you use Joe's Computer shack to fix a broken flux capacitor, and it breaks again under warranty, Apple can't deny your warranty claim if you choose to use Apple the second time.
Besides, that's not what the guy posted..he said "under warranty or otherwise".
Yes, this. Apple did exactly that for me in about 1995 with a bad design on one of their Performas. They swapped the MB out (and I got a faster CPU out of it) for free because an "Apple Authorized Service Provider" was giving me grief.
Turns out it doesn't take much to get an "Apple Authorized Service Provider" title. All it means is they some training and some special diagnostic disks that the Geek Squad doesn't.
I hate this attitude. Why should something be less important to me at work than something I would be willing to spend my own money on?
I think it is really lame that my home computers are far better than my work computers (I work for a software company). It would be beneficial to my company to invest in decent equipment for me, in that my product would be better. But no, instead, I get a business grade Dell shitbox to try and edit hours of video in Premiere and After Effects and the whole project ends up taking 3x as long (due to instability, lost work, rework and slowness) as if they just invest in a machine that I personally own at home.
But noooooo, they still get the $1.5 million contract and I get to churn along with my $500 Dell shitbox. For chrissake, I don't even get a widescreen monitor (let alone monitors).
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How is Search more confusing now? You click the magnifying glass and type what you are looking for.
System wide search that works well and the task bar improvements are worth the price of admission.
No, the "problem" here is that people are conditioned to expect things to be difficult when they don't have to be.
I'm still not sure why I even need the latest Canon drivers for my printer...it works without them, and has so for 5 years.
Hey that's my mantra in the classroom over the past 15 years (I teach Education Technology at a community college). People who don't like Apple are generally trying to apply Windows logic to a device that doesn't work like Windows.
I had the exact same scenario (and it was even an old Canon printer) with my in-laws. They tried for 2 days to install drivers and software. I went over, plugged the printer into the computer, opened the file and printed it.
But you know, the "it just works" thing is all marketing and has no basis in reality.
I've spent a lot of money on Apple products over the years.
The only "sexy" thing I ever bought from them was the graphite colored case with motherboard access on the panel that swung down.
Hardly sexy outside of my nerd circles.
If there is an iPad competitor that took longer to develop, a) where is it, and b) why isn't it better than the iPad?
That’s only because they beat everyone else to market while everybody else was waiting to see what Apple does next and copying that
FTFY.
What your company has done (and what a lot of companie are doing) is they realized that a full desktop OS is overly complex, but an imbedded device is too simplistic and inflexible to accomplish most field work. The iPad fits the niche perfectly of offering the functionality of multiple embedded devices on one device, but without the complexity and support requirements of a desktop OS.
In my 10 years of hearing the term fanboy (in regards to any product, not just Apple products), I've yet to hear somebody use it with convincing logic attached.
To me, if you use the term fanboy in your post, you are admitting defeat.
Are you serious? Only a true hater would remotely contend that Apple somehow stole the standard they initiated.
IEEE 1394 was initiated by Apple (in 1986[2]) and developed by the IEEE P1394 Working Group, largely driven by contributions from Apple, although major contributions were also made by engineers from Texas Instruments, Sony, Digital Equipment Corporation, IBM, and INMOS/SGS Thomson (now STMicroelectronics).
I'll ignore the tired Xerox argument.
They didn't steal FireWire, they initiated it.
Contrast Apple's track record to Microsofts blatant 'wait until the competitor makes something good, then copy it badly'.
Ever notice the Window Phone guy looks just a little bit like the Android guy? They aren't even original with stupid cartoon brand identity!
Except for everything you just said is revisionist history, and actually proves your point to be invalid.
The only thing that saved it from utter irrelevance was, ironically, Microsoft Office.
The things that saved MacOS were:
A thriving journalism industry that chose the best tool for the job between 1984-1995.
A thriving journalism industry that took their medium to the Internet.
The return of a CEO with passion for making cool stuff (and yes, bad mice), as oppossed to a CEO who wanted to run a cool company like the soft-drink company he came from.
The Internet.
The Internet.
The Internet.
The Mac lost out against the PC. Nobody was interested in Macs.
. News flash...the Mac hasn't lost anything. Have you not been paying attention for the past decade?
Apple wasn't making a lot of money selling Mac technology like Microsoft was
Apple was making *enough* money, and the amount of money Microsoft was making is irrelevant to how much money Apple was making.
a lot of software developers ignored it, there were hardly any games for the system.
Software developers most certainly have never ignored Apple. If they did, there would be no Apple, because Apple needs software.
There still are hardly any games for the system. That isn't hurting them, nor has it ever hurt them in the past.
The point is that sometimes there's a real war going on and second-best really isn't enough. Sooner or later competitive exclusion will force one player to the sidelines.
There is no war. That is why Apple is still around and Microsoft still makes a lot of stuff for OSX. Neither player is "on the sidelines", nor is either player even on the same field, at times.
In defense of OP, if you aren't a geek (which you obviously are), you are most likely not even going to realize your Windows PC has Media Center on it, since Microsoft does such a horrible job of making it obvious it is there.
Microsoft FAILS because their media centers are flat out hard to use. They do not integrate all the different media formats elegantly. They've never been able to manage multimedia very well in the OS, so pushing it across multiple devices in the home has no chance.
With that, you can do some pretty powerful stuff with Win7 Media Center, if you want to nerd out and take the time to figure out how to get it all working. Meanwhile, Mom and Dad have their AppleTV on watching some dumb movie they just rented from the iTunes store, while I'm in the other room trying to get Media Center to recognize my latest "extender", or trying to figure out which codec I need...bah!
Apple will never replace Microsoft in the workplace, because they don't want to
Well said. This is just as valid today as it was the first time I said it in 1987-ish.
When will people realize that Apple is not competing against Microsoft? If they spent all their time obsessing about stealing Microsoft markets, all they'd accomplish is cheap knock-offs of other companies' innovation (kind of like Microsoft).
I thought WarIII was just more of the same, with better graphics. WarII is actually more fun (but maybe that was just because at the time it was very fun). Had I not played WarII for a billion hours, I think I probably would have thought WarIII was the best game ever.
That kind of really goes for any RTS. Whichever one you discovered first is most likely to have been the "best" in your recollection.
A good sequel avoids MOTS (more of the same) gameplay. After playing any one of the tens of RTS games of the mid/late 90s, all the sequels were just MOTS with better graphics. I really need to try Starcraft II to see if it breaks from the MOTS mold.
Whereas WoW built greatly on the lore of Warcraft II, one needn't know a single thing about Warcraft II to enjoy WoW. This is the opposite of MOTS. The flipside to this sort of progession is Age of Empires type games where they do not capitalize on interesting historical stuff nor do they make the tech trees staggeringly complex...they just make prettier houses and faster clicking game-play. Shame, really. I don't blame the game copmanies though. Gamers want fast frenetic mindless game play most of the time and can't be bored with lore.
Bad analogy, because you don't HAVE to go through a TSA security line. You do, however, have to exist amongst everyday law enforcement personnel who can arrest you anywhere for anything.
Yes, let's hit the gun cabinets and stand up for our rights! Guns will solve everything!
Wake me up when there's real tyranny and I need to reassemble the bolt group on my AR-15.
While a lot of good info is harvested from arresting bad guys and taking their phones, my industry at least pretends to wait until we are issued a warrant before we do anything with the information we get from the phones.
Using the info without a warrant is just bad law enforcement practice and will do more harm than good in the long run.
If that is true (and it isn't), then it is the greatest patch in the history of computer science.
The best Microsoft OS to date (Win7) has surpassed one of the worst (Vista). My faith in the consumer is restored.
Yes it is illegal under the Magnuson-Moss Act. You can have your stuff serviced anywhere you like without voiding your warranty. However, you can't insist that Apple pays for it if you use somebody they don't certify. That's to say, if you use Joe's Computer shack to fix a broken flux capacitor, and it breaks again under warranty, Apple can't deny your warranty claim if you choose to use Apple the second time.
Besides, that's not what the guy posted..he said "under warranty or otherwise".
Well, I'm not sure if Greek law trumps the US law, but it is illegal for Apple to require you service your computer with the provider of their saying.
Yes, this. Apple did exactly that for me in about 1995 with a bad design on one of their Performas. They swapped the MB out (and I got a faster CPU out of it) for free because an "Apple Authorized Service Provider" was giving me grief.
Turns out it doesn't take much to get an "Apple Authorized Service Provider" title. All it means is they some training and some special diagnostic disks that the Geek Squad doesn't.
I hate this attitude. Why should something be less important to me at work than something I would be willing to spend my own money on?
I think it is really lame that my home computers are far better than my work computers (I work for a software company). It would be beneficial to my company to invest in decent equipment for me, in that my product would be better. But no, instead, I get a business grade Dell shitbox to try and edit hours of video in Premiere and After Effects and the whole project ends up taking 3x as long (due to instability, lost work, rework and slowness) as if they just invest in a machine that I personally own at home.
But noooooo, they still get the $1.5 million contract and I get to churn along with my $500 Dell shitbox. For chrissake, I don't even get a widescreen monitor (let alone monitors).
My company makes software for the government. It's amazing at how high the government's tolerance level is for crap.