>> Perhaps some French speaking geeks could get the text of the >> proposed law and translate that for us.
Demandez, et vous serez exaucé:
> Article 1er > Les communications entre les services de l'État et les > collectivités ainsi que les communications entre collectivités > locales seront réalisées par voie électronique. Les conditions > du passage entre les procédures actuelles (circulaires, lettres, > convocations, etc.) et la messagerie électronique généralisée > seront précisées par voie de décret.
The communications between the State Services and collectivities, as well as the communication between local collectivities [municipal, regional governments] will be done through electronic ways. The condition of changing over from the current procedure (circulars, letters, sub-poenas, etc.) and the generalized electronic messaging will be precised by way of decree.
> Article 2 > Afin d'assurer une large transparence et un accès rapide à > l'information par les entreprises, les appels d'offres publics > ainsi que les documents annexes feront l'objet d'une > communication électronique.
> Les réponses de même seront fournies par voie électronique.
To insure the widest transparency and quick access to the information by the [private] companies, public tenders as well as subsidiary documents will be communicated through electronic means.
The answers as well will be provided though electronic ways.
> Pendant une période transitoire, la communication électronique > pourra être doublée par une communication papier. Un décret > précisera la durée de la période transitoire ainsi que les coûts > de la communication papier réalisée sur demande.
During a transitory period, electronic communications could be doubled by paper communications. A decree will define the duration of the transitory period, as well as the costs of paper communications done on demand.
> Article 3 > Les administrations de l'État, des collectivités locales et > des services administratifs, sous réserve des dispositions de > l'article 4 ne peuvent utiliser que des logiciels libres de > droits et dont le code source est disponible.
> Un décret fixera les conditions de transition avec la situation actuelle.
The State [various departments], local collectivities and administrative services administrations, under the reserves of article 4 can only use software that iscopylefted and whose source code is available.
> Article 4
> Certains logiciels spécifiques peuvent être utilisés et > acquis par les administrations et services mentionnés à > l'article 3 après autorisation délivrée par un service compétent. > Un décret précisera la répartition géographique de ces services > et les conditions d'obtention de cette autorisation.
Some specific softwares could be used and acquired by the administrations and services mentionned in article 4 after being authorized to do so by a competent service. A decree will precise the geographical dispertion of those services and the conditions to obtain that authorization.
> Article 5
> En vue de faciliter la mise en oeuvre rapide de la présente > loi, il sera institué un service de renseignements électroniques > auprès de chaque préfecture pour les services publics et les > collectivités locales, et des assemblées consulaires pour > les entreprises concernées.
To facilitate the implementation of the present law, an electronic information service will be instituted at each préfecture[the representation of the central EXECUTIVE authority through out the territory of France] for all public services and local collectivities, as well as consular assemblies for the concerned companies.
-- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
> The minitel was a bad design, it was limited, unscalable, > basically just a huge BBS, that was doomed very soon.
Of course it was all this. But it was still an immense success, even though it was the first WIDESPREAD (and I mean it: they made it to get rid of the phone books. They GAVE IT AWAY FOR FREE to anyone who asked.)
> BTW what computer technologies did the French brought us that are used around the world? > The US brought the net, C, UNIX, mainframes, PCs, workstations, etc... > Probably the french were working on their "super cool" technologies on US mainframes.
Well... 30 years ago, you didn't have anything BUT mainframes. So, I guess you answered your own question...:):):) -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Recall, a few months back, that the French Government had a big hoopla about Linux in particular and Open Source in general; a lot of cash-strapped (but not smart-strapped) regional entities (local governments, universities, schools, gov. departments) have been putting-up internet presence, and it is natural that they'd do that with Linux. But that's not the point.
Don't forget that, 20 years ago, the French spearheaded the personnal connectivity revolution with their Minitel terminals, which they supplied for free (as in beer). The ostensible reason was to substitute phone directories, but it sprouted-up a vast array of services, such as the famous "pink messaging", decades before raw.sex.com...
In fact, the Minitel can be termed as the precursor of the widespread personnal "internet" that we are witnessing today, despite all it's flaws.
But there is a deeper hidden reason, too. 30 years ago, France was one of the world leaders of software developpment (before it got eclipsed by the U.S.); perhaps they feel that Open Source, by spurring independent software developpment, will enable them to regain that status; let's not forget that the french culture puts an enormous emphasis on intellectual achievement, rather than accumulating wealth, like the anglo-saxons are so fond of (the movie "Ridicule" is a good example: one's standing in the king's court is dictated only by one's ability to generate witty answers on-the-fly. Even though the king has been dead for two centuries, the tradition endures). And computer programming is an extreme form of intellectual achievement, which (can) have practical applications as a side benefit... -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
The whole thing reminds me of the story of the airline, who, just when airplane hijacking became popular (in the early 70's), had the following reasoning:
Aircraft hijackers are nutcases
Shrinks can identify nutcases easily
Hire two shrinks as security guards
Tell them to arrest nutcases in the airport
No more hijackings!!!
20 minutes after the start of the experiment, one of the shrinks arrested the other.
End of experiment. -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
> We would also see instances of ceo's selling > a bunch of stocks anonymously before the > quarterly report goes out...
Oh, yes, just like what the COREL head-honcho did a while back, and for which he is now under scrutiny... -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
It's about time that someone find a more practical use for all those useless maglevs being developped around the world...
Given that 515 km/h (that's 320 mph for the metric impaired, more than HALF the speed of an airliner) has been achieved with a STOCK train (okay, souped-up with bigger wheels and a faster gearing), moving people around is a pretty lame use for maglev.
No, really, launching shit in space is really a much better use for all that high technology... -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
The company I work for and their clients - for whom I'm sysadmin:) - have as much right to make sure nothing they disapprove goes on **THEIR** network as I do have the right to do whatever **I WANT** on **MYOWN** network at home. I do not have the slightest tremor in my conscience when I am asked to go look at an **EMPLOYEE**'s mailbox for illicit (as per the company's policy) stuff.
-- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
So what's the use of a superfast network when all other networks are 100 times slower?
It's like having a ferrari in a driveway leading to terminally potholed roads!!! -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
> Would Canada even admit a barbarian like me who doesn't speak French? Just don't come to Québec. Elsewhere, they'll be glad to have another bloke... -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
It's good to see someone who TRULY understands something about typography...:):):) -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Move to a civilized country, that is one where your hard-earned tax dollars are returned back to you in term of free health-care instead of corporate welfare for the friends of those who are in power... -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
IBM 5150? That's the one with APL? I've got a 5100, and a 31 year-old Friden 130 electronic calculator... -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Sure! What better way to insure that the US will paint itself in a corner??? -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Even though this is soothing news in that it proves that americans are stupid, it's really hard to think that americans are really ***THAT*** stupid... So, my question is: are americans ***REALLY THAT*** stupid???? -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Remember early 1970's "Here come the seventies" TV-series, where the future was dissected every week? One episode above all marked me than all others: it said in substance "When children can dial-in a movie request, or insert a cassette, censorship becomes irrelevant".
-- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Just migrate to the.US domain, like the rest of the world is doing anyways. -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
No big deal... When encryption software will be removed from Germany, it'll still be available from French servers... -- ---------------------------------------------- Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
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>> proposed law and translate that for us.
Demandez, et vous serez exaucé:
> Article 1er
> Les communications entre les services de l'État et les
> collectivités ainsi que les communications entre collectivités
> locales seront réalisées par voie électronique. Les conditions
> du passage entre les procédures actuelles (circulaires, lettres,
> convocations, etc.) et la messagerie électronique généralisée
> seront précisées par voie de décret.
The communications between the State Services and collectivities, as well as the communication between local collectivities [municipal, regional governments] will be done through electronic ways. The condition of changing over from the current procedure (circulars, letters, sub-poenas, etc.) and the generalized electronic messaging will be precised by way of decree.
> Article 2
> Afin d'assurer une large transparence et un accès rapide à
> l'information par les entreprises, les appels d'offres publics
> ainsi que les documents annexes feront l'objet d'une
> communication électronique.
> Les réponses de même seront fournies par voie électronique.
To insure the widest transparency and quick access to the information by the [private] companies, public tenders as well as subsidiary documents will be communicated through electronic means.
The answers as well will be provided though electronic ways.
> Pendant une période transitoire, la communication électronique
> pourra être doublée par une communication papier. Un décret
> précisera la durée de la période transitoire ainsi que les coûts
> de la communication papier réalisée sur demande.
During a transitory period, electronic communications could be doubled by paper communications. A decree will define the duration of the transitory period, as well as the costs of paper communications done on demand.
> Article 3
> Les administrations de l'État, des collectivités locales et
> des services administratifs, sous réserve des dispositions de
> l'article 4 ne peuvent utiliser que des logiciels libres de
> droits et dont le code source est disponible.
> Un décret fixera les conditions de transition avec la situation actuelle.
The State [various departments], local collectivities and administrative services administrations, under the reserves of article 4 can only use software that is copylefted and whose source code is available.
> Article 4
> Certains logiciels spécifiques peuvent être utilisés et
> acquis par les administrations et services mentionnés à
> l'article 3 après autorisation délivrée par un service compétent.
> Un décret précisera la répartition géographique de ces services
> et les conditions d'obtention de cette autorisation.
Some specific softwares could be used and acquired by the administrations and services mentionned in article 4 after being authorized to do so by a competent service. A decree will precise the geographical dispertion of those services and the conditions to obtain that authorization.
> Article 5
> En vue de faciliter la mise en oeuvre rapide de la présente
> loi, il sera institué un service de renseignements électroniques
> auprès de chaque préfecture pour les services publics et les
> collectivités locales, et des assemblées consulaires pour
> les entreprises concernées.
To facilitate the implementation of the present law, an electronic information service will be instituted at each préfecture[the representation of the central EXECUTIVE authority through out the territory of France] for all public services and local collectivities, as well as consular assemblies for the concerned companies.
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
> basically just a huge BBS, that was doomed very soon.
Of course it was all this. But it was still an immense success, even though it was the first
WIDESPREAD (and I mean it: they made it to get rid of the phone books. They GAVE IT
AWAY FOR FREE to anyone who asked.)
> BTW what computer technologies did the French brought us that are used around the world?
> The US brought the net, C, UNIX, mainframes, PCs, workstations, etc...
> Probably the french were working on their "super cool" technologies on US mainframes.
Well... 30 years ago, you didn't have anything BUT mainframes. So, I guess you answered your own question... :) :) :)
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Don't forget that, 20 years ago, the French spearheaded the personnal connectivity revolution with their Minitel terminals, which they supplied for free (as in beer). The ostensible reason was to substitute phone directories, but it sprouted-up a vast array of services, such as the famous "pink messaging", decades before raw.sex.com...
In fact, the Minitel can be termed as the precursor of the widespread personnal "internet" that we are witnessing today, despite all it's flaws.
But there is a deeper hidden reason, too. 30 years ago, France was one of the world leaders of software developpment (before it got eclipsed by the U.S.); perhaps they feel that Open Source, by spurring independent software developpment, will enable them to regain that status; let's not forget that the french culture puts an enormous emphasis on intellectual achievement, rather than accumulating wealth, like the anglo-saxons are so fond of (the movie "Ridicule" is a good example: one's standing in the king's court is dictated only by one's ability to generate witty answers on-the-fly. Even though the king has been dead for two centuries, the tradition endures). And computer programming is an extreme form of intellectual achievement, which (can) have practical applications as a side benefit...
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
- Aircraft hijackers are nutcases
- Shrinks can identify nutcases easily
- Hire two shrinks as security guards
- Tell them to arrest nutcases in the airport
- No more hijackings!!!
20 minutes after the start of the experiment, one of the shrinks arrested the other.End of experiment.
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
> a bunch of stocks anonymously before the
> quarterly report goes out...
Oh, yes, just like what the COREL head-honcho did a while back, and for which he is now under scrutiny...
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
And a bit of Debussy, Ravel and Respighi, too.
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Given that 515 km/h (that's 320 mph for the metric impaired, more than HALF the speed of an airliner) has been achieved with a STOCK train (okay, souped-up with bigger wheels and a faster gearing), moving people around is a pretty lame use for maglev.
No, really, launching shit in space is really a much better use for all that high technology...
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
He oughta try Windows 2000 beta, it's a real ox on a P-III 450...
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
The company I work for and their clients - for whom I'm sysadmin :) - have as much right to make sure nothing they disapprove goes on **THEIR** network as I do have the right to do whatever **I WANT** on **MYOWN** network at home.
I do not have the slightest tremor in my conscience when I am asked to go look at an **EMPLOYEE**'s mailbox for illicit (as per the company's policy) stuff.
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
It's like having a ferrari in a driveway leading to terminally potholed roads!!!
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
> Would Canada even admit a barbarian like me who doesn't speak French?
Just don't come to Québec. Elsewhere, they'll be glad to have another bloke...
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
In France, they tell belgian jokes.
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Geee, the good old game of life has really gone a long way...
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
It's good to see someone who TRULY understands something about typography... :) :) :)
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Move to a civilized country, that is one where your hard-earned tax dollars are returned back to you in term of free health-care instead of corporate welfare for the friends of those who are in power...
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
IBM 5150? That's the one with APL?
I've got a 5100, and a 31 year-old Friden 130 electronic calculator...
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Sure! What better way to insure that the US will paint itself in a corner???
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Even though this is soothing news in that it proves that americans are stupid, it's really hard to think that americans are really ***THAT*** stupid...
So, my question is: are americans ***REALLY THAT*** stupid????
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
... If IBM bought CRAY????
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
It's fitting that a web server be shaped like a tiny spider...
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Ach! Daß Von-Neuman bottleneck!!!
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Remember early 1970's "Here come the seventies" TV-series, where the future was dissected every week?
One episode above all marked me than all others: it said in substance "When children can dial-in a movie request, or insert a cassette, censorship becomes irrelevant".
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
Just migrate to the .US domain, like the rest of the world is doing anyways.
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!
No big deal... When encryption software will be removed from Germany, it'll still be available from French servers...
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!