I could care less. It's not my field of study. Really, I looked for the Spelling BS, but could not find one. Oh well, I've got a spell checker for things that matter. For you Wooly...nah.
Importing slave labor for the sole purpose of wage control, I've got a problem with that. According to the article, average west coast IT salaries have gone, up in real terms, 1% per year since 1990. Real shortages make real wage increases. MS and others are importing these folks to abuse them in ways that are illeagal.
My ignorance here is the result of working at a major university for three years. I hired programers. To do this, I read hundreds of resumes and interviewed scores.
As a graduate student, I got even closer.
Most of my peers from India were just as I described: hobbled by their primary educational institutions. I've met CS students who had never sat at a working terminal for more than 20 minutes at a time, BS in Physics who were week on diff eq. But hey, my university does not alway attract the best of the best.
As a non Indian, you are in the minority of H1B workers.
Accuratly relating my experience does not make me a bigot. Judging you by it would. I prefer to judge you by your own words, AC.
That's what some people recomend. From the NYT article:
To alleviate apparent shortages of computer programmers, President Clinton and Congress have agreed to raise a quota on H-1B's, the temporary
visas for skilled foreigners. The annual limit will go to 200,000 next year, up from 65,000 only three years ago.
The imported workers, most of whom come from India, are said to be needed because American schools do not graduate enough young people with
science and math skills.
I read your "fucking post". A supposed lack of competent trainees it the whole reson for this BS. There's never enough competent workers in any field. Making it seem worse than it is is just how these people would like to fuck all of us.
They were careful to look at average wages and how they have grown:
In fields with real labor scarcity, wages rise. Yet despite accounts of dot-com entrepreneurs' becoming millionaires,trends in computer technology pay do not confirm a need to import legions of programmers.
Salary offers to new college graduates in computer science averaged $39,000 in 1986 and had declined by 1994 to $33,000 (in constant dollars). The trend reversed only in the late 1990's.
The West Coast median salary for experienced software engineers was $71,100 in 1999, up only 10 percent (in constant dollars) from 1990. This pay growth of about 1 percent a year suggests no labor shortage.
Looks current enough to me, and it does indicate that there's no real shortage.
The article then goes on, rightly, to claim that imported workers keep wages down and discourage US citezens to go into the field.
It always amazes me that people act as though the interests of the foreign workers is irrelevant. It's all about me, me, me. We have it
pretty damn good here. So what if foreign workers will drive down our wages a bit? It's drive up their wages a *lot.* That's why they're willing
to come over here. More to the point, it'll benefit the rest of society because prices for IT services will be cheaper.
I have to dissagree.
First, draining India's best brains does not do much for India or the wages of those who stay there. Money sent back home can help, but nothing helps India more than people who work to improve things there first hand.
Second, everyone should look after their best interests without infringing on the rights of others. Companies are importing these people as SLAVE LABOR. They noticed that they can press them into situations that violate US labor laws out of fear of deportation. This should not be tollerated.
Third, people notice when they are steped on. Garbage in Garbage out. You don't think these folks really give a damn about their oppressors, do you?
That said, unions do suck. Enforcement of current laws should be adequate.
So, I suppose the answer is to import 200,000 people a year from India? No, it is not.
There's nothing as good as a US education. Sure, India and other places have people who are just as bright as those here in the US, but they are hamstrung by a lack of resources. I've worked with plenty of these folks. Most work very hard to avoid having to go back home! Their backgrounds are hit and miss. Some are beter than others, but few are as good as their US counterparts.
A reliance on these folks by the US software giants will ruin them. Slave labor does not work well in crafts and proffesional environments.
The original post was long winded, mean spirited, and not very clever. For the poster to call anyone "a dumb, loud-mouthed boor" was funny. People with problems project their faults on others and it shows in the insults they throw.
What are you talking about? As root, you can do anything you want to your user's boxes as well as keep them from screwing up. Install software, change their bookmarks, wallpaper, whatever. What exacly do you mean by "manage the desktop"?
As a user, NT's SMS has been dissapointing. It takes forever to load up and it does not change much other than Outlook settings. I don't see my shortcuts and book marks on other machines. What the hell does it do with all that disk thrashing?
I'm a democrat and I think the Shrub (Bush) is a dumb, loud-mouthed boor.
Anyone else think this is funny? It must be hard for you to enjoy a sit down with that $5 late with all those cards in your wallet. Such a savvy consumer deserve to have his ass pained.
"But honey it was 50% off at Macy's!", a sentence every husband dreads.
The whole concept of revenue maximizing is dishonest and repulsive in retail. Good costs X, mark it up a percentage and sell it. Trying to squeeze every penny out of every person is just a waste of time. Greed drives inflation.
Oh that must be the 29th ammendment to the constitution. I'd never heard of it.
It's not about money. It's about you telling me what I can and can not do with my equipment and other things I own. Why should I pay RIAA racket tax so that I can make a photo CD?
I could live without pop music all together. This whole big Stuper Star music crap can follow Lars to hell for all I care. The airways might then be filled with more interesting programing and my radio would be useful for more than hearing the same old top forty again and again and again. Get the picture? It's a racket.
In the mean time, I don't feel like paying to support the thing I hate because I might want to make a CD of my grandfather's pictures.
Despite this, I can also share the indignation of those who are revolted at the prospect of paying for their fair use of the music they bothered to buy. So yes, all around you are a TROLL
Yes, double letters in the english language trip me up, but I can blame them on my key board. English has got to be the only language less consistent than VB.
Look out, small business! This Lixux stuff is so much harder than Windows. Remeber all the money you spent training your people at every MS update? You've heard that companies that switched from mainframes to Pee Cee's ended up paying as much to administer and retrain. Well, that scary random free software is going to eat your lunch....
Beautiful! Use the negative eperiences of bogus upgrades and feature adds of Microsoft to scare people. It's so bogus. Linux will be, if it is not already, easier to administer. From a user's stand point Linux is now no more difficult to get around in than windows. The only thing you've got right is the pain that's been inflicted on MS users and administrators.
Sorry bud, the days of shrink wraped software are numbered. People are tired of getting burnt by the whole MS set up where IT really can't fix the problem because they don't have the source. Open Source software prommises to be more stable, easier to fix and honest. The model of real consultants selling their time and knowledge to solve real problems is just better.
I don't administer networks, but user control under *nix seems trivial. Just don't grant anyone but yourself root access. It's hard to see how your users could dirty up anything that way.
Also, I've read that Debian has great tools for softare control and updating. Script on.
The jury's fine was compensatory, the judge's fine was punative. These are different fines and the result can make sense without calling the jurors stupid. Bristol may not have been able to quantify it's losses convincingly, and so the jury would not be able to level a heavy fine regardless of MS guilt. The judge, on the other had, was free to express his disgust and slaped MS for what it did.
ZDnet left out some of the more important details to languish in the salatious. Still, I wish that they had included Billy G.'s email with it's "harsh language" for what was going to happen to Bristol. Kind of incomplete all around.
Document your idea and mail a few coppies to yourself. When you get them back, stick them away somewhere while you work to develop the idea. What you have is sealed dated and stamped by the federal government.
I know I'm sort of a public figure and all, but I don't recall giving anyone permission to use my image on your site. As slashdot is a commercial site, I consider this a use of my immage for commercial purposes. A thank you or something would have been appreciated. I have never been abducted by aliens.
The Borg makeup is particularly unflatering. This is what really bothers me.
As a private citezen, I feel greatly abused here, and I hearby order you to cease and dissist. Starting tommorow, my immage and all reproductions of it should be considerd copyright. All proceeds will benifit the Microsoft foundation and my dad. Now piss off kiddies!
Love,
Billy G.
This stuff is lame guys. Getting him slashdotted and bothered by A&M is just stupid. Before you know it A&M will be putting up sweeping and moronic restrictions on hosting. None of this supposed "rip-off" has hurt anyone. He's put up a credit page with linux.com listed (more than slashdot has done for BG) and his site never took eyeball one away from linux.com, until today. Now we can be disgusted at Slashdot and Linux.com.
That was nice to see. I've read complaints about Word's big ugly spec and it's hard to belive that little program can pull it out. It was much more than I expected to get out of a bad joke.
The certification pages were mostly good and plain HTML until I ran into the HOWTO document cited.
Propriatory formats for document storage are evil.
Because the Certification Criteria document is MS word formated:
http://diicoe.disa.mil/coe/kpc/KPCP_8/KPCP_8.DOC
Just think how hard it would be to get another OS certified without NT and Word. IT gave me NT at work and I opened this document with Word Pad. Though I could read it, there were lots of scratchouts and stuff that made things tricky. I'm scared to think of what it would look like under VI.
Turned up 203,000 hits. 203,000 Elvis fans can't be wrong can they?
The Euopean Journal of Women's Studies is one of them. Supported by both SAGE and WISE, they must have something on the ball. The WISE web page gave me an error I had not seen before, "too many java scripts". If nothing else, EJWS has a nice looking cover.
We can imagine other deparments will be equally vocal. I shudder to think of what I might get back for poly sci. Do you get a BA or a BS for that? I don't know!
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Importing slave labor for the sole purpose of wage control, I've got a problem with that. According to the article, average west coast IT salaries have gone, up in real terms, 1% per year since 1990. Real shortages make real wage increases. MS and others are importing these folks to abuse them in ways that are illeagal.
Show me something bigoted, dead beast.
As a graduate student, I got even closer.
Most of my peers from India were just as I described: hobbled by their primary educational institutions. I've met CS students who had never sat at a working terminal for more than 20 minutes at a time, BS in Physics who were week on diff eq. But hey, my university does not alway attract the best of the best.
As a non Indian, you are in the minority of H1B workers.
Accuratly relating my experience does not make me a bigot. Judging you by it would. I prefer to judge you by your own words, AC.
The imported workers, most of whom come from India, are said to be needed because American schools do not graduate enough young people with science and math skills.
I read your "fucking post". A supposed lack of competent trainees it the whole reson for this BS. There's never enough competent workers in any field. Making it seem worse than it is is just how these people would like to fuck all of us.
Salary offers to new college graduates in computer science averaged $39,000 in 1986 and had declined by 1994 to $33,000 (in constant dollars). The trend reversed only in the late 1990's.
The West Coast median salary for experienced software engineers was $71,100 in 1999, up only 10 percent (in constant dollars) from 1990. This pay growth of about 1 percent a year suggests no labor shortage.
Looks current enough to me, and it does indicate that there's no real shortage.
The article then goes on, rightly, to claim that imported workers keep wages down and discourage US citezens to go into the field.
I have to dissagree.
First, draining India's best brains does not do much for India or the wages of those who stay there. Money sent back home can help, but nothing helps India more than people who work to improve things there first hand.
Second, everyone should look after their best interests without infringing on the rights of others. Companies are importing these people as SLAVE LABOR. They noticed that they can press them into situations that violate US labor laws out of fear of deportation. This should not be tollerated.
Third, people notice when they are steped on. Garbage in Garbage out. You don't think these folks really give a damn about their oppressors, do you?
That said, unions do suck. Enforcement of current laws should be adequate.
There's nothing as good as a US education. Sure, India and other places have people who are just as bright as those here in the US, but they are hamstrung by a lack of resources. I've worked with plenty of these folks. Most work very hard to avoid having to go back home! Their backgrounds are hit and miss. Some are beter than others, but few are as good as their US counterparts.
A reliance on these folks by the US software giants will ruin them. Slave labor does not work well in crafts and proffesional environments.
The original post was long winded, mean spirited, and not very clever. For the poster to call anyone "a dumb, loud-mouthed boor" was funny. People with problems project their faults on others and it shows in the insults they throw.
As a user, NT's SMS has been dissapointing. It takes forever to load up and it does not change much other than Outlook settings. I don't see my shortcuts and book marks on other machines. What the hell does it do with all that disk thrashing?
Anyone else think this is funny? It must be hard for you to enjoy a sit down with that $5 late with all those cards in your wallet. Such a savvy consumer deserve to have his ass pained.
"But honey it was 50% off at Macy's!", a sentence every husband dreads.
The whole concept of revenue maximizing is dishonest and repulsive in retail. Good costs X, mark it up a percentage and sell it. Trying to squeeze every penny out of every person is just a waste of time. Greed drives inflation.
I don't buy from dishonest people.
It's not about money. It's about you telling me what I can and can not do with my equipment and other things I own. Why should I pay RIAA racket tax so that I can make a photo CD?
In the mean time, I don't feel like paying to support the thing I hate because I might want to make a CD of my grandfather's pictures.
Despite this, I can also share the indignation of those who are revolted at the prospect of paying for their fair use of the music they bothered to buy. So yes, all around you are a TROLL
Yes, double letters in the english language trip me up, but I can blame them on my key board. English has got to be the only language less consistent than VB.
Beautiful! Use the negative eperiences of bogus upgrades and feature adds of Microsoft to scare people. It's so bogus. Linux will be, if it is not already, easier to administer. From a user's stand point Linux is now no more difficult to get around in than windows. The only thing you've got right is the pain that's been inflicted on MS users and administrators.
Sorry bud, the days of shrink wraped software are numbered. People are tired of getting burnt by the whole MS set up where IT really can't fix the problem because they don't have the source. Open Source software prommises to be more stable, easier to fix and honest. The model of real consultants selling their time and knowledge to solve real problems is just better.
I don't administer networks, but user control under *nix seems trivial. Just don't grant anyone but yourself root access. It's hard to see how your users could dirty up anything that way. Also, I've read that Debian has great tools for softare control and updating. Script on.
hehehe. built in or integrated? are they part of IE? tickle me!
The jury's fine was compensatory, the judge's fine was punative. These are different fines and the result can make sense without calling the jurors stupid. Bristol may not have been able to quantify it's losses convincingly, and so the jury would not be able to level a heavy fine regardless of MS guilt. The judge, on the other had, was free to express his disgust and slaped MS for what it did.
ZDnet left out some of the more important details to languish in the salatious. Still, I wish that they had included Billy G.'s email with it's "harsh language" for what was going to happen to Bristol. Kind of incomplete all around.
My advice is not a subtitute for a laywer.
I know I'm sort of a public figure and all, but I don't recall giving anyone permission to use my image on your site. As slashdot is a commercial site, I consider this a use of my immage for commercial purposes. A thank you or something would have been appreciated. I have never been abducted by aliens.
The Borg makeup is particularly unflatering. This is what really bothers me.
As a private citezen, I feel greatly abused here, and I hearby order you to cease and dissist. Starting tommorow, my immage and all reproductions of it should be considerd copyright. All proceeds will benifit the Microsoft foundation and my dad. Now piss off kiddies!
Love,
Billy G.
This stuff is lame guys. Getting him slashdotted and bothered by A&M is just stupid. Before you know it A&M will be putting up sweeping and moronic restrictions on hosting. None of this supposed "rip-off" has hurt anyone. He's put up a credit page with linux.com listed (more than slashdot has done for BG) and his site never took eyeball one away from linux.com, until today. Now we can be disgusted at Slashdot and Linux.com.
This looks bad TACO.
His reference to the credits page is not the easiest thing to find, and it Directly contradicts the TACO who asks:
but isn't saying thanks and crediting your source part of it too?
What more can this dude do to say thanks, pay linux.com, shine TACO's shoes?
BTW, No one listened to the orignial Daemonsthenese and Athens fell. Who knows what might happen this time?
That site seems to have held up well. It came up in a flicker a minute just a minute ago. Go Aggies!
He does give credit to linux.com for his layout.
The certification pages were mostly good and plain HTML until I ran into the HOWTO document cited.
Propriatory formats for document storage are evil.
Linux installs take less than 40 minutes, mostly unatended. Oh yeah, they also fit easily in less than a gig. Compare that it IE's 500MB foot print!
As for larger system maint, you should see a few previous articles from here on that very subject. I just timed out looking for it..
http://diicoe.disa.mil/coe/kpc/KPCP_8/KPCP_8.DOC
Just think how hard it would be to get another OS certified without NT and Word. IT gave me NT at work and I opened this document with Word Pad. Though I could read it, there were lots of scratchouts and stuff that made things tricky. I'm scared to think of what it would look like under VI.
http://www.google.com/search?q=women%27s+studies +journal
Turned up 203,000 hits. 203,000 Elvis fans can't be wrong can they?
The Euopean Journal of Women's Studies is one of them. Supported by both SAGE and WISE, they must have something on the ball. The WISE web page gave me an error I had not seen before, "too many java scripts". If nothing else, EJWS has a nice looking cover.
We can imagine other deparments will be equally vocal. I shudder to think of what I might get back for poly sci. Do you get a BA or a BS for that? I don't know!