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  1. Re:It would mean a trade war on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    WTO enforces GATT so we don't have to take their word.

  2. Re:OK, the summary reaches a false conclusion on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    There can be more than one cause for an increase in payouts. So, you have made a mistake there as well. Further, considering hurricanes only and not other cause of flooding is a mistake. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05...

  3. Re:But we've emitted more carbon! on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    China's per capita emissions are way above our target per capita emissions. They should be cutting to the same target. They won't have to cut as much which makes it easier for them. I think it is a little silly to count cumulative emissions unless you count them from when climate change turned dangerous. China is clearly ahead of the US in that. If we follow your argument, then two people practicing at the rifle range, one who's been there for a while and one who has just come would be in an odd situation. Children run into the range, and the first shooter stops shooting and the second does not. The children get killed. It is the fault of the first shooter because he shot more bullets cumulatively even though he took precautions not to shoot when the children ran on to the range.

    So, I think you've got it a little confused.

  4. Re:Yes, good idea. on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    My proposal is to scale tariffs to damage and particularly damage that shows up on federal books. The President mention wildfire fighting recently. Flood insurance premiums should not be rising, nor should crop insurance premiums. Get the extra costs covered by the tariff. That makes the tariff small and hopefully the nudge China (which needs to save face) will need to turn things around in the next five years. We'll see the turn around in falling coal and oil imports to China.

  5. Re:Yes, good idea. on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    China has agree to Article XX of GATT, so retaliation is not allowed.

  6. Re:Yes, good idea. on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 2

    The Clean Air Act is controlling carbon emission now. It is the legal basis for increased CAFE standards. Also for new source regulations are just about to go into effect. That is why Kansas is rushing to get in under the wire. http://thinkprogress.org/clima... And proposed regulations on existing sources came out last Monday which are based on the Clean Air Act.

  7. Re:Tarrifs can cause trade wars on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    Because China has already agreed to Article XX of the GATT, retaliation would not be allowed.

  8. Re:How to use Article XX on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    It is only because we have started with ourselves that we can invoke Article XX of GATT. If we were not cutting emissions, we'd have no standing.

  9. Re:How to use Article XX on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    No, a country has to be cutting emissions (as the US is doing) to invoke Article XX.

  10. Re:The facts? on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    Read Article XX of GATT. Countries with strong environmental laws can impose tariffs on those with weak environmental laws.

  11. Re:Should not be China on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    China's per capita emissions are the same as Europe's. Read the linked IPCC WGIII report. http://www.ipcc-wg3.de/assessm... You have to read the actual report, not the Summary for Policy Makers. China wanted the facts about its emissions buried.

  12. Re:Satistism breeds inequality and war on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    I think you mean China would dump US treasuries. With the prosperity the tariffs bring to the US, there likely would be lower bond sales. China's leverage would be in dumping. However, confidence in the US would be higher when it is leading an effort to get China to cut emissions, and we'd see buyers willing to take up the US bonds to protect that effort. I think you've raise a good point, but I don't think you've thought the whole thing through. These environmental exceptions in GATT are there to promote peace and prosperity. They are a step away from war, not towards it.

  13. Re:OK, the summary reaches a false conclusion on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    You've never seen a late October super storm that far North. Read it again. In 2012, climate damage increased crop insurance payouts be $14 billion. http://thinkprogress.org/clima...

  14. Re:OK, the summary reaches a false conclusion on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    You've got that wrong. Climate effects are definitely causing extra flood and crop damage for the US. http://www.theguardian.com/env...

  15. Re:Starting a trade war with China on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    Well, retaliation would lead to consequences with the WTO. It would be easier for China to cut emissions (or just announce a plan to do so) and get out of the tariffs that way.

  16. Re:Who is being taxed, exactly? on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 2

    China did sign and ratify Kyoto. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... The US signed but did not ratify. During the negotiations, the Senate indicated it would not ratify unless China accepted some emissions guidelines. (Could have been an increase like Spain, we only wanted a commitment.) http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/...::

  17. Re:It would mean a trade war on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    China has already agreed to GATT and Article XX. This is a way to get things fixed peacefully.

  18. Re:How to use Article XX on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 2

    In fact, no. This was one of the interesting findings of the IPCC WGIII report. cumulative emissions from non-Annex 1 countries are taking over those from Annex 1 countries. The crossover has probably already happened.

  19. Re:Your reading of GATT is not applicable. on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    There is no revocation of MFN. Article XX has environmental exceptions. We can impose tariffs are retaliation is not allowed. China has already agreed to this.

  20. Re:tariffs are cool on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 2

    Owing to Article XX, retaliatory tariffs are not allowed.

  21. Re:Wishful? Trade is a two-way street, is it not? on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    We can put tariffs on their imports, but they can not put tariffs on our exports. Our balance of trade improves and out buying power gets a boost from that. More jobs, better pay. We may have to make some of the stuff we invented ourselves. The Pacific Northwest is an excellent place to manufacture without greenhouse gas emissions. States with access to Hydro Quebec power could also expand manufacturing cleanly.

  22. That's the idea on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    exactly.

  23. Re:Proof? on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 2

    http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/... " It follows that we can state, with a high degree of confidence, that extreme anomalies such as those in Texas and Oklahoma in 2011 and Moscow in 2010 were a consequence of global warming because their likelihood in the absence of global warming was exceedingly small."

  24. Re:Your reading of GATT is not applicable. on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 1

    Pretty sure MFN is part of GATT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... NAFTA, on the other hand, might pose a problem.

  25. Re:Who is being taxed, exactly? on Fixing China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions For Them · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Correct. But industry in the US would pick up, leading to more domestic prosperity. Without the tariff, China gets to lower costs of production and compete unfairly, reducing US GDP. Note also that we are paying this in increased flood and crop insurance premiums. The latter directly cuts into the competitiveness of our agricultural exports. Better to pay with external tariffs than internal premiums.