You mean, communism was EVER about "protecting workers rights"? Uhm sorry but this myth has been dispelled in November 1917.
You should probably take a look at what communism is, as in, the proper definition of communism, not the attempts at practical implementations of derivatives (leninism, stalinism, maoism et al).
True communism never came to life. Marx envisaged a society where a temporary government would be disbanded as soon as it formed a framework for workers' self-management, and then the whole society would be run by workers (and on a Global scale, too, not on national scale). Unfortunately, no Communist country felt like taking care of this evolution after revolution.
a Devil... You get some, then you can't get enough soon enough. If you shut a nuke down, you have to somehow make up for the electricity it was producing. Given enough outdated nukes, it becomes a challenge to shut them down. At some point, it will be too late, and you'd have to shut lots of them down at once, but you won't have resources or time to make up for the loss in energy production. Maybe that point has already been reached and passed.
I'm aware that there have been some incidents of concern on the side of the freedom fighters. The UN has raised this flag as well. It's disconcerting, but I don't think it's a wide trend on the side of the FFers. They are a largely untrained, volunteer force. There will be a few bad eggs. The same can't be said for Gaddafi's troops.
Let me remind you that the west said similar things about Crotatian Freedom Fighters, and it turned out that it was systematic. By the time "time tells", it's too late, and you've got to live with the bad decisions and poor judgment.
He manufactured the "evidence" that convinced Congress to approve war. That's worse.
I'm curious. How does it work. Does congress have any means of verifying the information? Or do they just listen to Bush and say "Ok. I'm convinced." Because, many people voted for Obama after listening to him and saying "OK. I'm convinced." based solely on what he said. If congress isn't any better, I think polling the nation would work just as well.
I voted for Obama because he said he would end the presidential lawlessness, end the wars, end the abuse of "state secrets" to block justice through the courts, close Guantanamo Bay and end the 4th and 5th Amendment violations that it represented, and protect whistleblowers.... All of this is the exact opposite of what he said he would do when we elected him.
You know, it's really funny how people in the US do these things, and yet they firmly believe that the voting system is working. You see what is going on? You listen to a candidate. And he tells you shit. You can't really know if he's gonna do it or not. And you listen, and you vote for him based on what you've heard. And there's nothing to ensure that the elected president will act on what he said before election. And there's no fail-safe system in place to ensure that the president is ejected if he's found faulty. Sounds like a broken system to me.
We need the oil. Every thing is made from it. Even our food. Everything runs on it. If access to this resource is not kept secure, whether it's in Libya or the Middle East, the economy will completely collapse. Obama knows this and will do everything he can to prevent.
At this point, it is rather questionable whether NATO activities in Libya are still within the boundaries of the original UN mandate. Both Russia and China are saying that what's going on is not what they had in mind when they let the resolution pass. Originally, any "necessary force" must be used only to ensure the safety of civilians, and not to help one side of the civil war win; the moment NATO started supporting rebel advance from the air and handing out weapons to them, any pretense of that has been dropped.
Aw come on, don't tell me you didn't see it coming!
The use of explosives by anyone on this forum would be considered "hostile" and would land them in jail. They can label it whatever they want, but you drop a bomb somewhere, you better expect a "hostile" reply.
What? Even when you have your fingers crossed when you push the button?
Did you use the cat to push the button? You did. Good. Non-hostile!
No, it's not. Assisting NATO in overthrowing a cruel dictator is not even remotely fucking comparable to kidnapping and fucking torturing people. There is no comparison. There never will be a comparison. Torture is evil, always.
The former done by the same guys that did the latter at Guantanamo Bay?
the WPR doesn't say 'hostile', it says 'putting the armed forces into hostilities'.
it is splitting hairs, but it's hard for me to see some dude sitting in an office in langley remotely piloting a drone as 'being in hostilities'.
Maybe it is splitting hairs but if you consider the operator and drone combination as a single unit (because neither would achieve anything without the other), then you can claimed that the operator-drone combination is part of the "armed forces" (operator being armed with drones), and since drone is put into hostilities, the operator is also put into hostilities by definition as part of the armed forces.
Some civilian casualties does not equate to "indiscriminately killing as they please".
Ok, so 4000 killed and 10,000 wounded civilians, destroyed and/or damaged hospitals, $27B damages to civilian industry... I'm sure that's a result of careful planning. I know a family that had a Tomahawk land on their house, too. I've also seen a Tomahawk cruise 50 meters from my window towards the heat plant. You can imagine what happened to the heat plant, and our heating subsequently. Graphite bombs killing the electrical grid on daily basis, outages ranging from a few minutes to whole day. Every fucking day. You have no idea what it's like to be on the receiving end. If that happened to you, I'm sure you wouldn't take kindly to comments like "it's carefully planned" or "does not equate to indiscriminately killing as they please". Not to mention the false reporting of the major media to keep the action rolling and buy support from the nations involved in delivering the payload.
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You mean, communism was EVER about "protecting workers rights"? Uhm sorry but this myth has been dispelled in November 1917.
You should probably take a look at what communism is, as in, the proper definition of communism, not the attempts at practical implementations of derivatives (leninism, stalinism, maoism et al).
True communism never came to life. Marx envisaged a society where a temporary government would be disbanded as soon as it formed a framework for workers' self-management, and then the whole society would be run by workers (and on a Global scale, too, not on national scale). Unfortunately, no Communist country felt like taking care of this evolution after revolution.
There is no issue developing in Java
Apart from Java itself, you mean?
agreed. It's a systematic refusal to proactively spend money on repairs, and to only reactively spend money when you get caught after a problem.
That's why they are called reactors and not proactors. :)
a Devil... You get some, then you can't get enough soon enough. If you shut a nuke down, you have to somehow make up for the electricity it was producing. Given enough outdated nukes, it becomes a challenge to shut them down. At some point, it will be too late, and you'd have to shut lots of them down at once, but you won't have resources or time to make up for the loss in energy production. Maybe that point has already been reached and passed.
without being called terrorists.
They are being called terrorists by some countries. But that's irrelevant, too. :)
I'm aware that there have been some incidents of concern on the side of the freedom fighters. The UN has raised this flag as well. It's disconcerting, but I don't think it's a wide trend on the side of the FFers. They are a largely untrained, volunteer force. There will be a few bad eggs. The same can't be said for Gaddafi's troops.
Let me remind you that the west said similar things about Crotatian Freedom Fighters, and it turned out that it was systematic. By the time "time tells", it's too late, and you've got to live with the bad decisions and poor judgment.
Here's another view, 1960's-today:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:InflationAdjustedDefenseSpending.PNG
It would have been more interesting to see that expressed in % of total budget, though, and also in comparison to other countries as a bonus.
He's went rogue against corporate interests and unnamed other interests in keeping that region from Democracy.
This is hilarious. Funniest thing in this thread.
Obama360?
To drop bombs on the US. It isn't hostile so don't worry about it. Have a nice day.
Obama didn't say that. He only said throwing bombs on Lybia using drones is not hostile. If Lybia did that to the US, it would be hostile.
He manufactured the "evidence" that convinced Congress to approve war. That's worse.
I'm curious. How does it work. Does congress have any means of verifying the information? Or do they just listen to Bush and say "Ok. I'm convinced." Because, many people voted for Obama after listening to him and saying "OK. I'm convinced." based solely on what he said. If congress isn't any better, I think polling the nation would work just as well.
ICBMs are only big drones that launch warheads at a target.
They're more like Kamikaze drones.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/jun2011/pers-j20.shtml
Personally, I like it. I now get to use my UAV to launch missile strikes at my neighbor's dog when it barks at night... and it's not hostile!
And the neighbor won't even get mad at ya.
I voted for Obama because he said he would end the presidential lawlessness, end the wars, end the abuse of "state secrets" to block justice through the courts, close Guantanamo Bay and end the 4th and 5th Amendment violations that it represented, and protect whistleblowers. ... All of this is the exact opposite of what he said he would do when we elected him.
You know, it's really funny how people in the US do these things, and yet they firmly believe that the voting system is working. You see what is going on? You listen to a candidate. And he tells you shit. You can't really know if he's gonna do it or not. And you listen, and you vote for him based on what you've heard. And there's nothing to ensure that the elected president will act on what he said before election. And there's no fail-safe system in place to ensure that the president is ejected if he's found faulty. Sounds like a broken system to me.
We need the oil. Every thing is made from it. Even our food. Everything runs on it. If access to this resource is not kept secure, whether it's in Libya or the Middle East, the economy will completely collapse. Obama knows this and will do everything he can to prevent.
So? People before Obama did coal?
'kinetic military action'. .. it sounds so, you know, dirty! like someone might get hurt!
You mean like ass-rape?
At this point, it is rather questionable whether NATO activities in Libya are still within the boundaries of the original UN mandate. Both Russia and China are saying that what's going on is not what they had in mind when they let the resolution pass. Originally, any "necessary force" must be used only to ensure the safety of civilians, and not to help one side of the civil war win; the moment NATO started supporting rebel advance from the air and handing out weapons to them, any pretense of that has been dropped.
Aw come on, don't tell me you didn't see it coming!
In all seriousness though, he's exploiting a loophole
it seems, because the law was written in 1973, before
drones existed.
At one point, we'll be seing drones that go like "Hasta la vista, baby". Of course, all non-hostile and shit.
More leftist tripe
Everything Bush said to congress in the famous/infamous speech was true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4RZO8y-R9k
The use of explosives by anyone on this forum would be considered "hostile" and would land them in jail. They can label it whatever they want, but you drop a bomb somewhere, you better expect a "hostile" reply.
What? Even when you have your fingers crossed when you push the button?
Did you use the cat to push the button? You did. Good. Non-hostile!
No, it's not. Assisting NATO in overthrowing a cruel dictator is not even remotely fucking comparable to kidnapping and fucking torturing people . There is no comparison. There never will be a comparison. Torture is evil, always.
The former done by the same guys that did the latter at Guantanamo Bay?
the WPR doesn't say 'hostile', it says 'putting the armed forces into hostilities'.
it is splitting hairs, but it's hard for me to see some dude sitting in an office in langley remotely piloting a drone as 'being in hostilities'.
Maybe it is splitting hairs but if you consider the operator and drone combination as a single unit (because neither would achieve anything without the other), then you can claimed that the operator-drone combination is part of the "armed forces" (operator being armed with drones), and since drone is put into hostilities, the operator is also put into hostilities by definition as part of the armed forces.
Some civilian casualties does not equate to "indiscriminately killing as they please".
Ok, so 4000 killed and 10,000 wounded civilians, destroyed and/or damaged hospitals, $27B damages to civilian industry... I'm sure that's a result of careful planning. I know a family that had a Tomahawk land on their house, too. I've also seen a Tomahawk cruise 50 meters from my window towards the heat plant. You can imagine what happened to the heat plant, and our heating subsequently. Graphite bombs killing the electrical grid on daily basis, outages ranging from a few minutes to whole day. Every fucking day. You have no idea what it's like to be on the receiving end. If that happened to you, I'm sure you wouldn't take kindly to comments like "it's carefully planned" or "does not equate to indiscriminately killing as they please". Not to mention the false reporting of the major media to keep the action rolling and buy support from the nations involved in delivering the payload.