not sure it is possible. What most people do is purchase a single card with multiple outputs. I personally have a Matrox dual head card that works great. The other major vendors also sell their own.
actually, Blender required very little porting effort because its GUI was written in openGL. All they had to do was deal with was reading and writing data basically.
Of course, you make it work on one platform and then start testing elsewhere. That is simple 1st year CS. But you must design from the begining to be cross platform.
Personally, I would love to hear his secret, evil scheme is to write a better Blender front end. The renderer is so damn sweet and fast.
I agree the car analogy is flawed and pretty useless to this discussion. My comments were made with the assumption that we were working within that framework.
Personally I see the OS as the driver in the car analogy. A computer will boot and show everything works but without something to direct it the hardware is useless. This is just like those vehicles (I think from VW) that you can turn on with the keyfob. Until someone actually gets in the car the hardware just sits there.
But as always with computers finding good analogies is hard.
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Buying a laptop (or just about anything really) without seeing, touching, holding it first is right out. Do I like the way the keyboard is setup? Does it feel like 10 year olds put it together with plastic screws? Will the display hinge break in 3 weeks? I shop around, feel things out, and then I purchase.
For me this is why the Windows refund is important. If I happen to like the Sony VAIO series (which I do, 3 lbs laptops are important to the constant traveller) I should not have to spend money on an OS I will not use just for the privilege. But for me it is more than that. I do not want a license for Windows. Why let a corporation declare me as one of their users?
Somebody earlier made a car analogy. I actually quite like it. The OS is an add-on, like leather seats or the nifty Bose sound system. On most models of car you can opt not to have them. Just like a cigarette lighter. Yes some of the high end systems "force" you to purchase the leather but in general people buying them do not mind. But there are reasonable models available otherwise. In laptops we either buy sight unseen from unknown web vendors or we go to the nice store and buy what we like.
Personally I would not mind waiting 3 weeks for a laptop if it came configured how I like so it is not the immediate nature of the store or the purchase constraining me. It is the lack of real choice.
Show me a 3 to 3.5 lb. laptop (with a battery, one of the models mentioned in the comments here did not support an internal battery) that I can buy sans OS or with some version of Linux. Then point out some vendor who carries them in real stores and not just in faceless online retailers.
For desktops I have always built my own. Even used to work at a place that built customs for people (OS was always an option). It is specifically laptops that are the annoyance because we are forced to treat them like a Lexus.
(As a side note I understand that many OEMs were charged a mere 25 US cents for Windows 95 when it came out. So yes, this is more than just money here.)
A friend of mind was talking the other night about a topic like this and the talk switched to what a "right" really was. The way he likes to look at it a right is something that even your enemy deservers. Even the guy who pushed you down in school. As much as many of us Americans claim to love our freedom many do not seem to really believe it is a right guaranteed just because they are human any more.
It truly bothers me when I see the ex-military types posting about how they protected this country with their life and are then willing to watch others give up their rights. What did you fight for if not those 10 rights guaranteed to all men because they are human. It just so happens that the Bill of Rights is part of US law but the founders believed that all people were granted those rights.
One of my favorite movies is about a president who falls in love with a lobbyist. At one point his opponent ridicules him for being a member of the ACLU. The president stands up for himself and the ACLU and questions why any person serving this country is not also a member. It is a beautiful scene.
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so I went to his site and read his "hey you just have to know sockets" promise. Uh uh. The code is FULL of win32isms. Little things like the slash going the wrong way in #includes, bigger things like no #ifdefs around winsock code. Probably a good few days work with testing. It is GPL and he is willing to accept help though. Just be prepared for the worst (-:
Yuck. Leo is a "nifty" GUI which helps you do the outline. As I comment on another thread -- we programmers like our text editors thank you very much. I am ok with a visualization program but not one which takes over my workflow.
ther reason is doing that basically forces a special programming editor on you. Most UNIX people have long known that editors are very, very personal and would thus fight this to the death.
In my experience there has always been more code than docs so I have never seen the use of the literate technique or your suggestion of ?ml.
They have never needed to sue anyone simple threats have been enough. Or they have simply bought the offending company. The Samba group is constantly fighting with Microsoft.
Office is often a bundle and yes they do make money on it as well. But no where near the level of cash they get from Exchange and its related and attached products.
As for paranoia I have read Marc Andreson's comments about the Netscape/IE war. I have talked with others. Microsoft knows how and where to swing their money. And in all honesty this could just as well be Apple or some other large computer co. In this particular case the company in question just happens to be a favorite target here. However my comments are meant to reflect my own readings and the current state of the industry where patent attacks and DMCA warnings are the norm.
While I may bash Microsoft given the chance this was not one of those times.
My guess is that to 100% implement an Exchange replacement you will have to reimplement some proprietary Microsoft technology. There is a good chance you could be legally attacked for patent violations, trade secrets, etc.
Exchange is a cash cow for Microsoft. Not only do they make money on it they make money on the bundle as well keeping users locked into their OS. A big reason NT shows up in corporate environments is to house Exchange. I have seen companies nearly 100% Unix that had a NT machine or two just for items like Exchange. If you honestly believe that Microsoft would not put 100% of their muscle against a true competitor in that market then you are clearly blind. This is not bigotry this a reflection of their past actions.
I was approached by Bruce Perens at LWE and he stated that Debian needed better support for Open Office. I looked at him and told him as soon as one of us had a reason to care we would.
This is the fundamental problem with Open Source in business land -- you need a coder who has the time to code and actually cares about making it work. I see lots of sysadmin types complain about Exchange but no one seems to hate it enough to sit down and work on something better. Most of the businesses approaching Mandrake, RH, etc are looking to dump the Microsoft solutions entirely so Exchange is not a big deal there. Or they are only looking for server -> server solutions and not desktops.
Last but not least you have the problem that Exchange is 100% proprietary. Look at all of the "fun" Samba has had trying to get smb interoperability right. I also bet Microsoft would be VERY apt to sue a company that did this into the ground. Might as well paint a target on your head.
As with every other itch you just need to find someone to scratch it. You mentioned "clients", why not funnel some of that contracting cash to coders willing to work on the project.
If we can get one of the scientists there to become a Debian developer, upload a package or two and perhaps host a mirror we will have a Debian devel on every continent!
CODA is a new look at networkable filesystems. It is also not at the level of trustworthy.
My big complaint was it needed a partition or at least a swap file-esque section for the share. So you can not just drop files in and expect it to work, you must know the size ahead of time.
Plus side is that it does disconnected access, so a laptop which edits a file in the share and then reconnects will copy over the new version.
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not sure it is possible. What most people do is purchase a single card with multiple outputs. I personally have a Matrox dual head card that works great. The other major vendors also sell their own.
actually, Blender required very little porting effort because its GUI was written in openGL. All they had to do was deal with was reading and writing data basically.
Of course, you make it work on one platform and then start testing elsewhere. That is simple 1st year CS. But you must design from the begining to be cross platform.
Personally, I would love to hear his secret, evil scheme is to write a better Blender front end. The renderer is so damn sweet and fast.
I agree the car analogy is flawed and pretty useless to this discussion. My comments were made with the assumption that we were working within that framework.
Personally I see the OS as the driver in the car analogy. A computer will boot and show everything works but without something to direct it the hardware is useless. This is just like those vehicles (I think from VW) that you can turn on with the keyfob. Until someone actually gets in the car the hardware just sits there.
But as always with computers finding good analogies is hard.
Buying a laptop (or just about anything really) without seeing, touching, holding it first is right out. Do I like the way the keyboard is setup? Does it feel like 10 year olds put it together with plastic screws? Will the display hinge break in 3 weeks? I shop around, feel things out, and then I purchase.
For me this is why the Windows refund is important. If I happen to like the Sony VAIO series (which I do, 3 lbs laptops are important to the constant traveller) I should not have to spend money on an OS I will not use just for the privilege. But for me it is more than that. I do not want a license for Windows. Why let a corporation declare me as one of their users?
Somebody earlier made a car analogy. I actually quite like it. The OS is an add-on, like leather seats or the nifty Bose sound system. On most models of car you can opt not to have them. Just like a cigarette lighter. Yes some of the high end systems "force" you to purchase the leather but in general people buying them do not mind. But there are reasonable models available otherwise. In laptops we either buy sight unseen from unknown web vendors or we go to the nice store and buy what we like.
Personally I would not mind waiting 3 weeks for a laptop if it came configured how I like so it is not the immediate nature of the store or the purchase constraining me. It is the lack of real choice.
Show me a 3 to 3.5 lb. laptop (with a battery, one of the models mentioned in the comments here did not support an internal battery) that I can buy sans OS or with some version of Linux. Then point out some vendor who carries them in real stores and not just in faceless online retailers.
For desktops I have always built my own. Even used to work at a place that built customs for people (OS was always an option). It is specifically laptops that are the annoyance because we are forced to treat them like a Lexus.
(As a side note I understand that many OEMs were charged a mere 25 US cents for Windows 95 when it came out. So yes, this is more than just money here.)
A friend of mind was talking the other night about a topic like this and the talk switched to what a "right" really was. The way he likes to look at it a right is something that even your enemy deservers. Even the guy who pushed you down in school. As much as many of us Americans claim to love our freedom many do not seem to really believe it is a right guaranteed just because they are human any more.
It truly bothers me when I see the ex-military types posting about how they protected this country with their life and are then willing to watch others give up their rights. What did you fight for if not those 10 rights guaranteed to all men because they are human. It just so happens that the Bill of Rights is part of US law but the founders believed that all people were granted those rights.
One of my favorite movies is about a president who falls in love with a lobbyist. At one point his opponent ridicules him for being a member of the ACLU. The president stands up for himself and the ACLU and questions why any person serving this country is not also a member. It is a beautiful scene.
so I went to his site and read his "hey you just have to know sockets" promise. Uh uh. The code is FULL of win32isms. Little things like the slash going the wrong way in #includes, bigger things like no #ifdefs around winsock code. Probably a good few days work with testing. It is GPL and he is willing to accept help though. Just be prepared for the worst (-:
Yuck. Leo is a "nifty" GUI which helps you do the outline. As I comment on another thread -- we programmers like our text editors thank you very much. I am ok with a visualization program but not one which takes over my workflow.
ther reason is doing that basically forces a special programming editor on you. Most UNIX people have long known that editors are very, very personal and would thus fight this to the death.
In my experience there has always been more code than docs so I have never seen the use of the literate technique or your suggestion of ?ml.
They have never needed to sue anyone simple threats have been enough. Or they have simply bought the offending company. The Samba group is constantly fighting with Microsoft.
Office is often a bundle and yes they do make money on it as well. But no where near the level of cash they get from Exchange and its related and attached products.
As for paranoia I have read Marc Andreson's comments about the Netscape/IE war. I have talked with others. Microsoft knows how and where to swing their money. And in all honesty this could just as well be Apple or some other large computer co. In this particular case the company in question just happens to be a favorite target here. However my comments are meant to reflect my own readings and the current state of the industry where patent attacks and DMCA warnings are the norm.
While I may bash Microsoft given the chance this was not one of those times.
My guess is that to 100% implement an Exchange replacement you will have to reimplement some proprietary Microsoft technology. There is a good chance you could be legally attacked for patent violations, trade secrets, etc.
Exchange is a cash cow for Microsoft. Not only do they make money on it they make money on the bundle as well keeping users locked into their OS. A big reason NT shows up in corporate environments is to house Exchange. I have seen companies nearly 100% Unix that had a NT machine or two just for items like Exchange. If you honestly believe that Microsoft would not put 100% of their muscle against a true competitor in that market then you are clearly blind. This is not bigotry this a reflection of their past actions.
I was approached by Bruce Perens at LWE and he stated that Debian needed better support for Open Office. I looked at him and told him as soon as one of us had a reason to care we would.
This is the fundamental problem with Open Source in business land -- you need a coder who has the time to code and actually cares about making it work. I see lots of sysadmin types complain about Exchange but no one seems to hate it enough to sit down and work on something better. Most of the businesses approaching Mandrake, RH, etc are looking to dump the Microsoft solutions entirely so Exchange is not a big deal there. Or they are only looking for server -> server solutions and not desktops.
Last but not least you have the problem that Exchange is 100% proprietary. Look at all of the "fun" Samba has had trying to get smb interoperability right. I also bet Microsoft would be VERY apt to sue a company that did this into the ground. Might as well paint a target on your head.
As with every other itch you just need to find someone to scratch it. You mentioned "clients", why not funnel some of that contracting cash to coders willing to work on the project.
If we can get one of the scientists there to become a Debian developer, upload a package or two and perhaps host a mirror we will have a Debian devel on every continent!
CODA is a new look at networkable filesystems. It is also not at the level of trustworthy.
My big complaint was it needed a partition or at least a swap file-esque section for the share. So you can not just drop files in and expect it to work, you must know the size ahead of time.
Plus side is that it does disconnected access, so a laptop which edits a file in the share and then reconnects will copy over the new version.