In the United States, we have such a bewildering array of confusing and, in some cases, contradictory laws, it is very nearly impossible to go through the day without violating a few.
So, since we're all criminals, in way anybody who uses cryptography is a criminal. But so is anybody who doesn't.
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Except that the interstate highways have to be built before they go anywhere. But the real kicker is the increased transport density in already-congested spots. At a typical highway into a large city will not give you a speed of 70 MPH, sometimes not even half that.
Now, how long do you think I'll have to wait for the Interstate highway system to be built? Oh, wait; IT'S ALREADY THERE. I'm a quarter of a mile from an Interstate. I'm several miles from the train tracks, and I can't take the Interstate the whole way there, so if you divert all that Interstate traffic to the train station, I'm going to be stuck in gridlock on residential streets for several hours getting there.
Did you check out the information on the website that explains the concept? Each "station" is a place where individual vehicles can merge on and off the track without stopping.
Yes; at just over 18 MPH. I can ride a bicycle faster than that.
Sure - that's probably the biggest obstacle. But if the infrastructure already was in place, would you then consider bying a RUF as a second car?
Yes, and if my grandmother had wheels, I'd consider using her as a wagon. Wake me in 20 years if they manage to get it in place by then, which is doubtful. More like 40, if you consider all the new roads they'll have to make to get there. Through people's houses and businesses, BTW.
Exiting is pretty much the reverse of merging onto the track, as described above, so that's probably not an issue, unless of course the driver falls asleep during transit.
Which is a serious possibility, since it slows down to 18 MPH at *EVERY JUNCTION*. Everybody in the chain does, whether they're exiting or not.
God help you if there's an emergency and you need to pull over. Oops, gotta wait for the next junction, then slow down to 18 MPH to exit. Too late, baby has choked on his own vomit and died.
Any mass transit system that is intended to replace the Interstate highway system is going to have to use that highway system. Otherwise, you'll be using up twice as much land to accomodate the extremely long period of time in which both systems must operate in parallel.
So if you want this to work, it's gotta be on roads, not rails, or you gotta spend trillions of dollars in a very short period of time.
Red Hat has had only one profitable quarter since it was founded, and that was quite long ago.
I don't know where you get your information, but you need to find a new source.
RedHat was profitable for the entire years of 1997 and 1998.
As for 1999 and 2000, they fully expected to not be profitable for a while after their acquisitions. They are on track. This is not abnormal for corporations. Their cash reserves are more than sufficient for them to reach profitability again.
Revenues are currently up to over $22 million. Their gross margin is rising. They're only losing $3 million a quarter, on cash reserves of over $152 million.
They aren't hurting, they're just growing real fast.
The GPL is, by the way, a key element in the recent woes of Red Hat and other "Linux companies." It prevents them from adding unique value to their products while at the same time undercutting their sales and destroying their markets.
They're hurting to the tune of $16 million in revenue a quarter.
That doesn't sound like "prevents" to me. Perhaps "hinders" or "restrains", but not "prevents".
This is a graphic example of how we have too damn many laws in pretty much all western countries (I can't speak for eastern, but most of them probably do too.)
Imagine what happens now if a US user trades files via email with a German user.
AOL is breaking the law in Germany if they don't snoop on the email, and committing a felony in the US if they do.
> Oh; using wget and ssh, I can automate this process for hundreds of machines in minutes. How long does that take to set up in NT, again?
Same amount of time.
Yeah, right; you can sit down at NT, and using freely-available tools, set off the process of downloading and installing a Service Pack on hundreds of machines. With nearly zero impact to production jobs in effect on those machines, up until you're ready for the reboot.
Whatever you're smoking, you must have bought it from Microsoft's marketting department, not their engineers.
On Solaris I do this with a shell script, one I can bang out on the command line from memory in 30 seconds. And I can run that shell script from a Linux, HP/UX, AIX, etc. system if I desire, although in practice I'd do it from another Solaris system to minimize confusion.
Hell, it's quicker for me to do this FROM an NT box than it is TO NT boxes.
That will help keep children from being victimized, yes, but, at least in Canada, art that depicts children pornographically, whether they are real or not, is illegal.
Canada's civil rights problems aren't my fault.
The demand for kiddie porn isn't *allowed* to be fulfilled here.
Which doesn't lessen the demand there. It just guarantees that it will be met with victimized children, because hey, it's illegal either way, so why not get the real thing?
You in Canada are starting to learn the same thing that we in the US are starting to learn; having a jillion laws creates a climate where people don't respect the law, and if they don't respect one law, it's a very short stretch for a lot of small minds to stop respecting ALL laws.
It starts with 55 MPH speed limits on roads where everybody (even the cops) drives 70, and it ends with climbing murder and armed robbery rates.
In fact, your murder rate started rising right about the same time ours started dropping, give or take a year.
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I'm sorry, did you mistake my comments for an attempt at a rebuttal?
Perhaps you should have read the post more closely.
she does have a point here, the problem is it applies to the entire internet. Not just AOL. now Kiddies the next question is. How do we stop this crap?
People who like child pornography will not stop liking it because it is illegal, no matter what the penalty. They didn't sit down one day and make the conscious, logical decision that they were going to start liking child porn.
If there is a demand, there will be a supply.
So, what you can best do to prevent children from being victimized is:
1) Pressure the countries where child porn is legal (such as Japan) to change their laws.
2) Fund the efforts to advance 3D graphics to the point where realistic child porn can be generated without children.
Then there will be no incentive to victimize children to supply the demand, because it will be cheaper and easier to just computer-generate fake child porn that is indistinguishable from the real thing. The pedophiles will be happy, and the children will be as safe as they are going to get.
Then give the death penalty for acting out those desires on real live children.
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This is no different (in the respect you object to) than an interstate, and people use them all the time.
It's a hell of a lot different than an Interstate in a number of important ways that will doom it to instant failure.
The most important being:
1) The Interstate already goes everywhere, and already has convenient access.
2) I can merge onto the Interstate at 70 MPH.
3) My existing car works on the Interstate.
4) I can exit the Interstate without every other car for three miles in either direction having to stop.
The only useless post in the exchange was your own.
No, there was another one; there was the one where some guy said "nuh uh, you can automate it with (list of crappy third-party products we've already evaluated and rejected at FedEx, and that add hundreds of dollars to the cost of the systems)".
Yes sir. Microsoft has pleanty of management tools like this that were added into Windows 2000 server (most likely only in the advanced server though).
Well, first off, I said NT, not 2000. However, let's go with your response and take it as given that 2K is NT 5.0.
I can do this with Solaris workstations, even PC-hardware Solaris workstations. I can do it with the free Solaris downloadable off the net.
I can do it without buying anything extra.
I can do it from anywhere in the world that has a telnet client available, or for that matter just a web browser since I can use a Java telnet client.
And, more importantly, I can set it up on Friday afternoon, and have it happen automatically on Sunday morning. Reliably. Setup takes minutes.
Not because they are more clueful, but because its easier to install one monolithic service pack than hundreds of seperate patches to deal with specific security problems as is the norm on the UNIX side of things.
You don't know what you're talking about. I suspect that it's because your main UNIX experience is probably dealing with Linux systems.
Installing the latest patches for a few dozen Solaris vulnerabilities looks like this:
./install_cluster
Followed by hitting "y" once.
And if we want to add a piece of hardware or change an IP address, we don't have to remove the patches first, make the change, reboot twice, and then reinstall the patches.
I can use ssh to do that simultaneously on several hundred systems. Can you say the same with NT?
I can install the patches while the OS is active, leave the machines sitting running stably for a week until I get a downtime window, then reboot them for the one or two patches that require that. Can you say the same with NT?
The fact is, NT service packs are a horrible mess and hassle. You have to remove the pack and reinstall it frequently, and if the pack is fixing support for hardware you NEED to access the system, you've got a serious issue on your hands.
Oh; using wget and ssh, I can automate this process for hundreds of machines in minutes. How long does that take to set up in NT, again?
And you remember it the next time looters are burning your life's savings to the ground because the cops couldn't stop them with tear gas and weren't allowed to shoot them.
All criminal for all of human history has and must punish those actions which follow from evil thought more severely than those actions which do not (i.e., negligence).
And you're missing a CRUCIAL point:
If we punish a murderer inspired by skin tone more serverely than we punish one inspired by money, BY DEFINITION, we aren't giving the one inspired by money the "ultimate" penalty. In order for one to be more, the other has to be less, and that "wiggle room" means sociopaths let loose to prey upon society.
It comforts me not at all that I am more likely to be killed for my wallet than for my color. I'd rather both crimes carried the same penalty; life without possibility of parole, spent in a little bitty room with adequate food and sunlight, but nothing else.
1) Expand to increase revenue and increase "economies of scale" efficiency.
2) Raise prices.
Unless you want your cable rate going up constantly, your cable company needs to expand or perish. Where in the Constitution of the United States is the government granted the power to tell them HOW MUCH they can expand?
Now, if your state or city has laws preventing other cable companies from moving into your area, there's something for you to protest. If other cable companies just don't choose to do it, however, that's your problem, not the government's. Start your own cable company.
1) You want as many people as possible to be able to access your web site.
2) Therefore, you have to have a way for those who don't have the plugin to find you and get it.
3) Therefore, you have to have a conventional domain name, and advertise it.
4) Therefore, why bother to have the new name at all? People are going to associate you with the normal one.
This is similar to the problem Clear Channel Communications is facing with the.cc domain they bought. Nobody remembers to type ".cc", so they have to keep all their domains registered as.com as well. Even their own DJs can't remember to say.cc.
Your analogy is wrong because Microsoft doesn't sell computers. Just the "Engine"
Guess you missed the part where we were talking about buying the computer without having to pay for the OS.
You would have to make this world a place where people can swap out engines as easily as they do OS's.
No I don't, because that's the opposite of what we're talking about. OSes are easy to swap out, and the question of paying for the OS whether you want it or not is a matter for the market to settle, not the courts.
If you don't like Microsoft's policies, don't do business with them. If you make PCs, and you don't like Microsoft's policies, don't do business with them. If you're buying a PC, and you don't like the fact that manufacturer X won't sell you a computer without charging you for a Microsoft OS, don't do business with them.
Can't make as much money as you'd like that way? Well, I guess you're going to have to make a choice, aren't you? In real life, you don't always get to select from all the choices you'd like. It's not government's job to step in and force other FREE INDIVIDUALS to offer the choices you desire, even if those free individuals run multi-billion-dollar corporations that control the majority (not all, just the majority) of a segment of an industry.
You can buy a PC without Windows. You can buy a PC with Windows, and replace Windows. You can even buy a PC with another OS on it, and warranty support for both the PC and the non-Microsoft OS.
Anything else is unfair and unConstitutional interference by the government in completely legal free trade.
Microsoft management is a bunch of arrogant pricks; but it's not illegal to be an arrogant prick.
I remind you again that during the HEIGHT of Microsoft's supposed monopoly, it was still not only possible to buy a desktop computer without an OS, but it was possible to buy one with a factory-supported non-Microsoft OS. It was even possible to buy one with an Intel processor and a non-Microsoft OS. Indelible Blue predates the 1994 decision, and Sun, HP, and IBM have been selling Unix workstations forever.
Yes, they cost more; but it's not the purpose of government to force people to charge the same for all products in a market space.
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Wow, so many mistakes, so little time.
BSDI has been around for 22 years, not a decade, and has only managed to grow to about 1/3 the revenues of RedHat during that time.
And the majority of their revenue *IS* outside cash influx from investors, not product sales.
It's not like with RedHat, where the outside investments help; BSDI wouldn't exist at all without them, they'd be long ago bankrupt.
This is because there's little demand for their product, and that's because of the proprietary nature of it.
FreeBSD does better, but it still takes a back seat to Linux, because of the GPL.
At the same time, the Linux companies have to be wondering what theyll do when the VCs decide not to throw good money after bad.
BSDI doesn't have to wonder, they know; they'll have to shut their doors.
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In the United States, we have such a bewildering array of confusing and, in some cases, contradictory laws, it is very nearly impossible to go through the day without violating a few.
So, since we're all criminals, in way anybody who uses cryptography is a criminal. But so is anybody who doesn't.
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Except that the interstate highways have to be built before they go anywhere. But the real kicker is the increased transport density in already-congested spots. At a typical highway into a large city will not give you a speed of 70 MPH, sometimes not even half that.
Now, how long do you think I'll have to wait for the Interstate highway system to be built? Oh, wait; IT'S ALREADY THERE. I'm a quarter of a mile from an Interstate. I'm several miles from the train tracks, and I can't take the Interstate the whole way there, so if you divert all that Interstate traffic to the train station, I'm going to be stuck in gridlock on residential streets for several hours getting there.
Did you check out the information on the website that explains the concept? Each "station" is a place where individual vehicles can merge on and off the track without stopping.
Yes; at just over 18 MPH. I can ride a bicycle faster than that.
Sure - that's probably the biggest obstacle. But if the infrastructure already was in place, would you then consider bying a RUF as a second car?
Yes, and if my grandmother had wheels, I'd consider using her as a wagon. Wake me in 20 years if they manage to get it in place by then, which is doubtful. More like 40, if you consider all the new roads they'll have to make to get there. Through people's houses and businesses, BTW.
Exiting is pretty much the reverse of merging onto the track, as described above, so that's probably not an issue, unless of course the driver falls asleep during transit.
Which is a serious possibility, since it slows down to 18 MPH at *EVERY JUNCTION*. Everybody in the chain does, whether they're exiting or not.
God help you if there's an emergency and you need to pull over. Oops, gotta wait for the next junction, then slow down to 18 MPH to exit. Too late, baby has choked on his own vomit and died.
Any mass transit system that is intended to replace the Interstate highway system is going to have to use that highway system. Otherwise, you'll be using up twice as much land to accomodate the extremely long period of time in which both systems must operate in parallel.
So if you want this to work, it's gotta be on roads, not rails, or you gotta spend trillions of dollars in a very short period of time.
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Red Hat has had only one profitable quarter since it was founded, and that was quite long ago.
I don't know where you get your information, but you need to find a new source.
RedHat was profitable for the entire years of 1997 and 1998.
As for 1999 and 2000, they fully expected to not be profitable for a while after their acquisitions. They are on track. This is not abnormal for corporations. Their cash reserves are more than sufficient for them to reach profitability again.
Revenues are currently up to over $22 million. Their gross margin is rising. They're only losing $3 million a quarter, on cash reserves of over $152 million.
They aren't hurting, they're just growing real fast.
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The GPL is, by the way, a key element in the recent woes of Red Hat and other "Linux companies." It prevents them from adding unique value to their products while at the same time undercutting their sales and destroying their markets.
They're hurting to the tune of $16 million in revenue a quarter.
That doesn't sound like "prevents" to me. Perhaps "hinders" or "restrains", but not "prevents".
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This is a graphic example of how we have too damn many laws in pretty much all western countries (I can't speak for eastern, but most of them probably do too.)
Imagine what happens now if a US user trades files via email with a German user.
AOL is breaking the law in Germany if they don't snoop on the email, and committing a felony in the US if they do.
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Is it really your belief that anyone who engauges in sex play with someone under the age of 18 deserves to have their life terminated?
No, I think it should be more specific:
Anyone who engages in sexual activity with someone under 16 for the purpose of producing pornographic materials should have their life terminated.
The existing penalties will be fine for having sex with someone that young without producing porn out of it.
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> Oh; using wget and ssh, I can automate this process for hundreds of machines in minutes. How long does that take to set up in NT, again?
Same amount of time.
Yeah, right; you can sit down at NT, and using freely-available tools, set off the process of downloading and installing a Service Pack on hundreds of machines. With nearly zero impact to production jobs in effect on those machines, up until you're ready for the reboot.
Whatever you're smoking, you must have bought it from Microsoft's marketting department, not their engineers.
On Solaris I do this with a shell script, one I can bang out on the command line from memory in 30 seconds. And I can run that shell script from a Linux, HP/UX, AIX, etc. system if I desire, although in practice I'd do it from another Solaris system to minimize confusion.
Hell, it's quicker for me to do this FROM an NT box than it is TO NT boxes.
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That will help keep children from being victimized, yes, but, at least in Canada, art that depicts children pornographically, whether they are real or not, is illegal.
Canada's civil rights problems aren't my fault.
The demand for kiddie porn isn't *allowed* to be fulfilled here.
Which doesn't lessen the demand there. It just guarantees that it will be met with victimized children, because hey, it's illegal either way, so why not get the real thing?
You in Canada are starting to learn the same thing that we in the US are starting to learn; having a jillion laws creates a climate where people don't respect the law, and if they don't respect one law, it's a very short stretch for a lot of small minds to stop respecting ALL laws.
It starts with 55 MPH speed limits on roads where everybody (even the cops) drives 70, and it ends with climbing murder and armed robbery rates.
In fact, your murder rate started rising right about the same time ours started dropping, give or take a year.
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I'm sorry, did you mistake my comments for an attempt at a rebuttal?
Perhaps you should have read the post more closely.
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she does have a point here, the problem is it applies to the entire internet. Not just AOL. now Kiddies the next question is. How do we stop this crap?
People who like child pornography will not stop liking it because it is illegal, no matter what the penalty. They didn't sit down one day and make the conscious, logical decision that they were going to start liking child porn.
If there is a demand, there will be a supply.
So, what you can best do to prevent children from being victimized is:
1) Pressure the countries where child porn is legal (such as Japan) to change their laws.
2) Fund the efforts to advance 3D graphics to the point where realistic child porn can be generated without children.
Then there will be no incentive to victimize children to supply the demand, because it will be cheaper and easier to just computer-generate fake child porn that is indistinguishable from the real thing. The pedophiles will be happy, and the children will be as safe as they are going to get.
Then give the death penalty for acting out those desires on real live children.
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This is no different (in the respect you object to) than an interstate, and people use them all the time.
It's a hell of a lot different than an Interstate in a number of important ways that will doom it to instant failure.
The most important being:
1) The Interstate already goes everywhere, and already has convenient access.
2) I can merge onto the Interstate at 70 MPH.
3) My existing car works on the Interstate.
4) I can exit the Interstate without every other car for three miles in either direction having to stop.
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The only useless post in the exchange was your own.
No, there was another one; there was the one where some guy said "nuh uh, you can automate it with (list of crappy third-party products we've already evaluated and rejected at FedEx, and that add hundreds of dollars to the cost of the systems)".
That was useless too.
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Yes sir. Microsoft has pleanty of management tools like this that were added into Windows 2000 server (most likely only in the advanced server though).
Well, first off, I said NT, not 2000. However, let's go with your response and take it as given that 2K is NT 5.0.
I can do this with Solaris workstations, even PC-hardware Solaris workstations. I can do it with the free Solaris downloadable off the net.
I can do it without buying anything extra.
I can do it from anywhere in the world that has a telnet client available, or for that matter just a web browser since I can use a Java telnet client.
And, more importantly, I can set it up on Friday afternoon, and have it happen automatically on Sunday morning. Reliably. Setup takes minutes.
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Not because they are more clueful, but because its easier to install one monolithic service pack than hundreds of seperate patches to deal with specific security problems as is the norm on the UNIX side of things.
You don't know what you're talking about. I suspect that it's because your main UNIX experience is probably dealing with Linux systems.
Installing the latest patches for a few dozen Solaris vulnerabilities looks like this:
./install_cluster
Followed by hitting "y" once.
And if we want to add a piece of hardware or change an IP address, we don't have to remove the patches first, make the change, reboot twice, and then reinstall the patches.
I can use ssh to do that simultaneously on several hundred systems. Can you say the same with NT?
I can install the patches while the OS is active, leave the machines sitting running stably for a week until I get a downtime window, then reboot them for the one or two patches that require that. Can you say the same with NT?
The fact is, NT service packs are a horrible mess and hassle. You have to remove the pack and reinstall it frequently, and if the pack is fixing support for hardware you NEED to access the system, you've got a serious issue on your hands.
Oh; using wget and ssh, I can automate this process for hundreds of machines in minutes. How long does that take to set up in NT, again?
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FedEx has successful systems using HP/UX and even AIX, but you're right in that if you give the DBAs their druthers, they'll say "Solaris".
And so will all us SAs.
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The great circle is now complete; before, we could run edlin on Linux; now, we can run vi on Windows.
(shut up, I know, it was a joke).
Now if only someone will write a HOWTO on compiling your kernel under Windows...
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C. DVD playing is hardly a "key feature."
On any model with a DVD drive it certainly is. I'm curious as to your reasoning behind this statement.
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By the way, government has the "power to thell them HOW MUCH they can expand" through the Antitrust acts.
Yes, government granted itself that power through those acts.
The Constitution doesn't allow them to do that, but they did it anyway. I have a problem with that.
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And you remember it the next time looters are burning your life's savings to the ground because the cops couldn't stop them with tear gas and weren't allowed to shoot them.
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All criminal for all of human history has and must punish those actions which follow from evil thought more severely than those actions which do not (i.e., negligence).
And you're missing a CRUCIAL point:
If we punish a murderer inspired by skin tone more serverely than we punish one inspired by money, BY DEFINITION, we aren't giving the one inspired by money the "ultimate" penalty. In order for one to be more, the other has to be less, and that "wiggle room" means sociopaths let loose to prey upon society.
It comforts me not at all that I am more likely to be killed for my wallet than for my color. I'd rather both crimes carried the same penalty; life without possibility of parole, spent in a little bitty room with adequate food and sunlight, but nothing else.
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Costs rise. It's called inflation.
A business therefore has two choices:
1) Expand to increase revenue and increase "economies of scale" efficiency.
2) Raise prices.
Unless you want your cable rate going up constantly, your cable company needs to expand or perish. Where in the Constitution of the United States is the government granted the power to tell them HOW MUCH they can expand?
Now, if your state or city has laws preventing other cable companies from moving into your area, there's something for you to protest. If other cable companies just don't choose to do it, however, that's your problem, not the government's. Start your own cable company.
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The problem is very simple:
.cc domain they bought. Nobody remembers to type ".cc", so they have to keep all their domains registered as .com as well. Even their own DJs can't remember to say .cc.
1) You want as many people as possible to be able to access your web site.
2) Therefore, you have to have a way for those who don't have the plugin to find you and get it.
3) Therefore, you have to have a conventional domain name, and advertise it.
4) Therefore, why bother to have the new name at all? People are going to associate you with the normal one.
This is similar to the problem Clear Channel Communications is facing with the
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Your analogy is wrong because Microsoft doesn't sell computers. Just the "Engine"
Guess you missed the part where we were talking about buying the computer without having to pay for the OS.
You would have to make this world a place where people can swap out engines as easily as they do OS's.
No I don't, because that's the opposite of what we're talking about. OSes are easy to swap out, and the question of paying for the OS whether you want it or not is a matter for the market to settle, not the courts.
If you don't like Microsoft's policies, don't do business with them. If you make PCs, and you don't like Microsoft's policies, don't do business with them. If you're buying a PC, and you don't like the fact that manufacturer X won't sell you a computer without charging you for a Microsoft OS, don't do business with them.
Can't make as much money as you'd like that way? Well, I guess you're going to have to make a choice, aren't you? In real life, you don't always get to select from all the choices you'd like. It's not government's job to step in and force other FREE INDIVIDUALS to offer the choices you desire, even if those free individuals run multi-billion-dollar corporations that control the majority (not all, just the majority) of a segment of an industry.
You can buy a PC without Windows. You can buy a PC with Windows, and replace Windows. You can even buy a PC with another OS on it, and warranty support for both the PC and the non-Microsoft OS.
Anything else is unfair and unConstitutional interference by the government in completely legal free trade.
Microsoft management is a bunch of arrogant pricks; but it's not illegal to be an arrogant prick.
I remind you again that during the HEIGHT of Microsoft's supposed monopoly, it was still not only possible to buy a desktop computer without an OS, but it was possible to buy one with a factory-supported non-Microsoft OS. It was even possible to buy one with an Intel processor and a non-Microsoft OS. Indelible Blue predates the 1994 decision, and Sun, HP, and IBM have been selling Unix workstations forever.
Yes, they cost more; but it's not the purpose of government to force people to charge the same for all products in a market space.
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You've got to go through some statistical evaluation of the numbers before you can say "Napster sold more records". Anything less is a lie.
No, you have to survey Napster users to see how many CDs they buy, and compare that to averages.
Which is what has been done multiple times, and which tends to indicate Napster users buy more CDs than non-Napster users.
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