Braces don't do one bit to help the programmer understand the code that indentation doesn't do better. And yet they're an additional source of worry.
Python is beutiful and the whitespace issue is a language advantage. It's that simple.
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"None of them went with Windows or Macintosh because it had a great file manager."
Amen. I'd mod you up had I had any points this beautiful day =)
Nononono. I'm not talking about installing an alternative desktop. I'm talking about setting the OS up to include a nice easy to use desktop to start with. Windows comes with one. It's installed by default. It work well for me and a lot of other people. It's far from perfect, but really, it's useable and it's at least got universal cut-n-paste support:-/
The point isn't if I've got a choice from different GUIs. The point is that I want a GUI that works well. The Mandrake 7.2 installation didn't come with one. The W2k install did.
Hrmpf. What wouldn't I give to get all the time I will have spent trying to get KDE2 running on my default Mandrake 7.2 distro when I eventually get it running?
Are you seriously suggesting people spend _more_ time fiddling with their system on Windows than on Linux? The times I have restarted fvwm2 for my.rc changes to take effect. The times I've been left with an unusable blank X screen and forced to remote logout myself, then wait to get logged in...
Rebooting is bad. But W2k _actually_ cuts down on that. And your dubious comparisons aside, W2K has worked flawlessly for me since I got it installed, way, way better than W98 which was a royal pain because it was so unstable. Hmm.
I can ofcourse _only_ answer for my own experiences. My experience with installing Win95, 98 and lastly 2k is that things have worked right off the bat with no hassles. With _my_ graphics and sound card I had no problems in Win2k. None whatsoever. And if I did it would probably have been as easy to fix as downloading the appropriate.exe from nvidia/creative and run it as an admin. Ofcourse, even that is a bit harsh on my mother.
And Linux installers is only good value-for-your-time if you actually _need_ all those extra services you get. Most you mentioned I simply don't need. I _don't_ need three word processors either, or twenty WMs, or DHCP servers, or sendmail, or pretty much anything of all the crud I get with Linux.
Linux can't be stopped, but based on _my_ experience _I_ have to say people are sticking their heads in the sand if they pretend that installing, maintaining and using Linux is as easy as Windows. You _do_ have a much greater level of control in the end, but that is only important to a fraction of users, and you pay a price for that control that most users don't want to pay.
Me, I just wish KDE2 would actually have worked for me from the default install of Mandrake 7.2. With Linux it's probably possible to fix whereas I would have been left in the cold with Windows. But fixing takes time and time...
1. What? My graphic and sound cards installed right off the bat. I haven't had a problem with them since. I really don't feel the need to tweak them, why should I? I've got an oldish video card. The drivers that came with Win2k are recent enough and stable enough for it.
2. Why? I have no need for it. This is my desktop.
3. Once again, why? And I actually did, I installed IIS5. Came with Win2k. No problem. I'll actually activate it when I feel like it. I've installed Apache. Piece of cake. Prefered doing it myself to having it installed with the OS. Most people don't actually _need_ a web server. Doh.
4. And why? My desktop. Using a dialup.
5. Why? My desktop, on a dialup. No file sharing enabled. I'm sure it can be hacked, or BSODed. Risk for that to actually happen is minimal. Not worth my time.
6. I'm using a MS mouse. Works like a charm. Why bother?
7. Ehrm, why?
It is just as difficult to get everything going on Winblows as it is under Linux.
Not my experience. I've installed Windows a few times. Cake. Insert CD, hit a few buttons, wait. Boot, hit "Windows update", wait. Reboot. Done.
I've recently installed Mandrake 7.0 and 7.2. While installation was fairly easy in both cases, getting my system up to snuff wasn't. On 7.0 I got KDE 1.x (duh) and no sound (this is a SB128). Doh. On to 7.2. Got KDE2.0 which is what I want to run. But wait, oh no, the WM didn't start. And most other Apps crash upon start with something about a QT problem. I'm lost. This is a _default_ installation of a supposedly easy to use distro. I'm certain a lot of work could (and will) fix it. But heck, I don't know if I feel like it. Because of point made below...
I don't know what she's on, but the default Mandrake install, which boots into KDE, looks remarkably similar to other *cough*Windows*cough* GUIs.
Yes, looks similar. But looks are all superficial, and in this case, decieving. I find the KDE "start menu" intimidating. It's got a lot of programs, in strange places. It's got what seem like duplicate functionality. The configuration options are numerous and seem to be overlapping. There are mouse configuration options, but they are very limited compared to what I get in Windows(tm) and I've yet to find where to tweak the X mouse sampling rate (which seem to be lower than in Windows). I guess I gotta find that in the appropriate.rc. Sigh. It looks similar, but it's _not_ very similar. It's confusing and messy, puts options in too many different places. Windows(tm) certainly isn't perfect in this respect, but a whole lot better.
Believe it or not. I'm computer savvy. I know how to program. I could use my C64, I could use my Amiga (for other things than games), I can navigate the *nix CLI and have done so for many years. I've configured and tweaked WM's under Solaris using.rc files just to my liking. I've done numerous other stuff. I'm not imidated by source code.
The Linux desktop has me. If I could just get a decent working environment up to start with, I could use it and go from there. With Mandrake, it seems I cannot. I want to mess with my system. but I want it when I want it, not because my system wants it. I want to install Xfree4, it should have come with Mandrake 7.2. The X configure tool says X4.0 supports my Nvidia card for faster 2D but then offer me nothing but using 3.3.6 (or whatever) with or without 3D support. What am I to believe from that?
I'm ranting. But I must admit I've been slightly disappointed by what I've seen from the Linux desktop so far:-/ If only I had a second box and I'd use it as a server. There I know it's good.
The budget is set and your manager will find ways to waste it anyway
Maybe you should go work somewhere where you have some level of confidence in your manager instead? I'm sure most companies can find something more productive to do with the money than to waste it on tech they'll never need or use. Money is most often a scarce resource you know. Was this ever about an end user product to start with?
But choosing a lower performing solution when management is willing to pay for a higher performing one is idiocy.
Strange, I'd call it loyalty. I'd consider it my duty. You aren't exactly there to extract as much money and tech budget as possible out of your boss, now are you?
> A nation's economy follows a cyclic pattern.
This is ofcourse well known and established. And it was first (that I know of) predicted by m.r. Karl Marx. It's a funny world after all =)
You are confusing style and a lack of structure. They are not the same, or related.
Don't be such a backwards loser. Style matters, style is vitally important. You think otherwise, ask Coca-Cola or Levis. Or Apple.
Which doesn't excuse the barrage of poor structuring that plagues the web today. Or the places where the style is badly implemented. But thinking that people (even you, whatever you want to believe) don't care about looks is horribly misguided.
They want interoperability of portable data on a range of different platforms, and they're finding that on the Java platform -- not to mention the benefits of higher productivity and rapid time to market.
Am I the only one who find this sentence funny in some way?
All in all, the 15 or so people I was in a cell with, much better human beings that those who were guarding us.
Hell no, I bet they weren't. I bet they were just as human as the guards. They were just in an underdog situation. The real answer doesn't come until the situation has been reversed and the cops are on the inside and your friends on the outside.
Bet there were a bunch on the inside who would gladly steal the cookies from diabetics if given the chance under the right circumstances.
most (please realize: this is not a troll, it is an opinion) 'worthwhile' content is in English
I'll bite. It's an opinion, but an uniformed and ignorant one. Suggesting that the quality of information would be lower because it's in a different language is so stupid I shouldn't even comment:-/ You make people with English as a first language look really, really bad.
Funny. A few months ago I would have been typing this on a dual P100. It's still in the next room. And a friend of mine used to have a dual P120 that was mighty fast for the time.
What didn't exist again?
If the layer is good, nothing prevents apache from implementing it as well.
Sure, a lot of things could prevent them from doing that. First, the "layers" could be complex beasts which simply aren't very easy to implement for Apache. A probably far more likely stumbleblock would be if these features were so tightly integrated with other MS servers and protocols that it would be virtually neutered if pulled out of that context. Look at ASP. It has virtues but most ports to other platforms are seriously lacking because it's so dependant on other MS widgets. You end up with the bad parts with none of the functionality.
This isn't "stupidity", it's just "extend and conquer" as MS has played it before. Integrating the client into Windows allowed MS to shoot down Netscape (never mind that MSIE is better than NSN). Microsoft dominates the desktop profoundly and is doing everything it can to leverage that dominance in the server market. Just as they used their desktop OS dominance to conquer the application space. Will they succeed? I don't know. But impossible it's not, and try they will.
IE on the client is _key_ to this strategy, and it can happen. I might be paranoid, but stupid I am not:-/ Thank you.
And you show a profound lack of imagination about how MS can use their client side dominance to make Apache look lackluster compared to IIS by layering new "proprierty" services on top of it. It can happen, and it's a game MS does play. In fact,.NET could be it.
I found Rendezvous to be a really engrossing read: it had the awesome sense of scale (both time and physical size), and a deep mystery.
Well put. And more importantly that pretty much sums up what the sequels lack, badly. Stay away. Because they don't have any of the drama or sense of wonder. Just ACC out of his depth.
Hmpf. I stick my head out here and say that RAMA has gone the same way as the 2001-series. Ever downhill. I mean, 3001 was pretty much a distaster, and Garden of RAMA pretty much so as well.
True is that they three newer books do take a more "human" and "grander vision" angle. But ACC just isn't up to those tasks, his visions aren't grand enough to be told. Instead we end up with some shallow, predictable, and poorly written "serious" litterature. ACC is in his ante when he "hints" at grandeur as he does in 2001 and Rendevouz with RAMA. When he actually tries to show it all and has to describe the alien technologies previously hinted at they are never grand enough and his language never sharp enough to instill that sense of awe. It just feels so mundane.
It's a bit like Star Wars. The Force was more interesting when abstract and hinted at than it was when they started to measure the concentration of some substance in people's blood. It just loses the drama.
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Oh, _that_ argument again. I don't usually edit source code in Microsoft Word either. It's not the appropriate tool for the job.
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The point isn't if I've got a choice from different GUIs. The point is that I want a GUI that works well. The Mandrake 7.2 installation didn't come with one. The W2k install did.
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Are you seriously suggesting people spend _more_ time fiddling with their system on Windows than on Linux? The times I have restarted fvwm2 for my .rc changes to take effect. The times I've been left with an unusable blank X screen and forced to remote logout myself, then wait to get logged in...
Rebooting is bad. But W2k _actually_ cuts down on that. And your dubious comparisons aside, W2K has worked flawlessly for me since I got it installed, way, way better than W98 which was a royal pain because it was so unstable. Hmm.
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And Linux installers is only good value-for-your-time if you actually _need_ all those extra services you get. Most you mentioned I simply don't need. I _don't_ need three word processors either, or twenty WMs, or DHCP servers, or sendmail, or pretty much anything of all the crud I get with Linux.
Linux can't be stopped, but based on _my_ experience _I_ have to say people are sticking their heads in the sand if they pretend that installing, maintaining and using Linux is as easy as Windows. You _do_ have a much greater level of control in the end, but that is only important to a fraction of users, and you pay a price for that control that most users don't want to pay.
Me, I just wish KDE2 would actually have worked for me from the default install of Mandrake 7.2. With Linux it's probably possible to fix whereas I would have been left in the cold with Windows. But fixing takes time and time...
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And rebooting isn't evil, it's not a problem, not on my desktop machine. It take a couple of minutes. And?
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Not my experience. I've installed Windows a few times. Cake. Insert CD, hit a few buttons, wait. Boot, hit "Windows update", wait. Reboot. Done.
I've recently installed Mandrake 7.0 and 7.2. While installation was fairly easy in both cases, getting my system up to snuff wasn't. On 7.0 I got KDE 1.x (duh) and no sound (this is a SB128). Doh. On to 7.2. Got KDE2.0 which is what I want to run. But wait, oh no, the WM didn't start. And most other Apps crash upon start with something about a QT problem. I'm lost. This is a _default_ installation of a supposedly easy to use distro. I'm certain a lot of work could (and will) fix it. But heck, I don't know if I feel like it. Because of point made below...
I don't know what she's on, but the default Mandrake install, which boots into KDE, looks remarkably similar to other *cough*Windows*cough* GUIs.
Yes, looks similar. But looks are all superficial, and in this case, decieving. I find the KDE "start menu" intimidating. It's got a lot of programs, in strange places. It's got what seem like duplicate functionality. The configuration options are numerous and seem to be overlapping. There are mouse configuration options, but they are very limited compared to what I get in Windows(tm) and I've yet to find where to tweak the X mouse sampling rate (which seem to be lower than in Windows). I guess I gotta find that in the appropriate .rc. Sigh. It looks similar, but it's _not_ very similar. It's confusing and messy, puts options in too many different places. Windows(tm) certainly isn't perfect in this respect, but a whole lot better.
Believe it or not. I'm computer savvy. I know how to program. I could use my C64, I could use my Amiga (for other things than games), I can navigate the *nix CLI and have done so for many years. I've configured and tweaked WM's under Solaris using .rc files just to my liking. I've done numerous other stuff. I'm not imidated by source code.
The Linux desktop has me. If I could just get a decent working environment up to start with, I could use it and go from there. With Mandrake, it seems I cannot. I want to mess with my system. but I want it when I want it, not because my system wants it. I want to install Xfree4, it should have come with Mandrake 7.2. The X configure tool says X4.0 supports my Nvidia card for faster 2D but then offer me nothing but using 3.3.6 (or whatever) with or without 3D support. What am I to believe from that?
I'm ranting. But I must admit I've been slightly disappointed by what I've seen from the Linux desktop so far:-/ If only I had a second box and I'd use it as a server. There I know it's good.
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Maybe you should go work somewhere where you have some level of confidence in your manager instead? I'm sure most companies can find something more productive to do with the money than to waste it on tech they'll never need or use. Money is most often a scarce resource you know. Was this ever about an end user product to start with?
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But the game was sweet, one of the very few I actually felt compelled to play through :-]
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Don't be such a backwards loser. Style matters, style is vitally important. You think otherwise, ask Coca-Cola or Levis. Or Apple.
Which doesn't excuse the barrage of poor structuring that plagues the web today. Or the places where the style is badly implemented. But thinking that people (even you, whatever you want to believe) don't care about looks is horribly misguided.
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Am I the only one who find this sentence funny in some way?
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Hell no, I bet they weren't. I bet they were just as human as the guards. They were just in an underdog situation. The real answer doesn't come until the situation has been reversed and the cops are on the inside and your friends on the outside.
Bet there were a bunch on the inside who would gladly steal the cookies from diabetics if given the chance under the right circumstances.
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I'll bite. It's an opinion, but an uniformed and ignorant one. Suggesting that the quality of information would be lower because it's in a different language is so stupid I shouldn't even comment :-/ You make people with English as a first language look really, really bad.
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Sure, a lot of things could prevent them from doing that. First, the "layers" could be complex beasts which simply aren't very easy to implement for Apache. A probably far more likely stumbleblock would be if these features were so tightly integrated with other MS servers and protocols that it would be virtually neutered if pulled out of that context. Look at ASP. It has virtues but most ports to other platforms are seriously lacking because it's so dependant on other MS widgets. You end up with the bad parts with none of the functionality.
This isn't "stupidity", it's just "extend and conquer" as MS has played it before. Integrating the client into Windows allowed MS to shoot down Netscape (never mind that MSIE is better than NSN). Microsoft dominates the desktop profoundly and is doing everything it can to leverage that dominance in the server market. Just as they used their desktop OS dominance to conquer the application space. Will they succeed? I don't know. But impossible it's not, and try they will.
IE on the client is _key_ to this strategy, and it can happen. I might be paranoid, but stupid I am not:-/ Thank you.
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Well put. And more importantly that pretty much sums up what the sequels lack, badly. Stay away. Because they don't have any of the drama or sense of wonder. Just ACC out of his depth.
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