We all now see why people like you post anonymously. All you did in your post was knock this guy's ideas (which are based in fact and generally correct). You offer no counterpoints, no other thoughts or ideas. If I had any moderator points, you'd be falling down the list like the stone in the pond of social darwinism that you are.
I've written several AI systems, though not in the context of games. A set of finite rules is really insufficient. Once the human learns the rules, they will always win. What is needed in AI is for the machine to ascertain the behavior of the human in turn and adapt accordingly.
When was the last time you heard of someone paying for a Unix C/C++ compiler? We can thank Cygnus and GCC for that.
Umm, have you eer used commercial Unix? They all have commercial compilers, and genrally they're not cheap. At the company I worked for previously, we developed a GIS product for Solaris, SunOS, IRIX, DEC/OSF, AIX, and HP/UX. Some of the companies gave us basic compiler tools because they wanted our product on their platform (such as HP), but we had to buy the compilers from the rest of them. Companies like SGI charge $2k+ for their graphical debugger (and the license was Node-Locked). I was still using dbx on there for fixing bugs because I couldn't get the company to foot a $10k bill to give the SGI developers a graphical debugger.
Well, mathematically, one monkey is statistically equivalent to 100, or 1000, or any finite number given infinite time. However, it's not equivalent to infinite monkeys in infinite time. Both are infinite, but the size of infinity squared is greater (yeah, I know, but ask a math professor).
The LinuxPPC port (R5 just released) has excellent USB support on iMacs and B&W G3s. It seems to be quite stable. I know it supports mice and keyboards at least.
There is a PDP emulator for the Mac. Try here. Emulation.net has several dozen emulators for the Mac.
The PDP-8 family of minicomputers were built by Digital Equipment Corporation between 1965 and 1990. The PDP-8 was largely upward compatible with the PDP-5, a machine that was unveiled on August 11, 1963 at WESCON, and the inspiration for that machine came from two earlier machines, the LINC and the CDC 160. All of these machines were characterized by a 12 bit word with little or no hardware byte structure, typically 4K words of memory, and simple but powerful instruction sets.
Ahh, but the point is, a user cannot install stuff on his Linux box that makes it less stable as a whole system. NT is a different story -- it's fairly trivial to reduce the performance of an NT system to a crawl without being an Admin. Crashing it is not that easy (NT is reasonably stable), but I have many times had to log out and back in because of unresolvable problems with DLLs and other nonsense.
My home network consists of a Linux server in the basement, two linux clients, a Mac running MacOS 8.5.1, and a PC running NT 4. The Linux box is the application and file server for all the machines. It's currently at 140 days of uptime. I had to shut it down to add another hard drive 140 days ago. Before that, the last reboot was when I installed it.
I would never dream of swapping the Linux box with the NT box. The NT box couldn't really serve as a Linux application server, and as a file server it does a fairly poor job emulating the native formats/options for both Linux and MacOS.
The problem is that there is not a non-proprietary streaming video format (yet). Quicktime is moving in this direction with it being the basis of MPEG3 and distributing the server source, but as of now there's no solution. Your options (AFAIK) are:
1) Windows Media 2) Real
Of the two, Real is more cross-platform. It runs on Mac, Windows, and Linux. Windows Media runs on Windows, and it crashes on the Mac. There's no other option for it.
I sincerely hope that Apple will release Quicktime for Linux, but it's not an option yet.
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Well, there is currently not a BSD (Free/Open/whatever) implementation that runs on my machine (PCI Powermac), so Linux is my only option. If you want the popularity of Linux, you have to have it run on the same platforms. The world is bigger than Intel.
Well, I work for a very large worldwide online/television news organization. Our main web site gets about 130,000 hits/minute on a normal day. That comes out to about 2200 hits/sec. This doesn't include any of our partners, which each generate a good bit of traffic. We have 6 T3s and an OC3 for our bandwidth, and we run multiple servers to balance the load.
What do we run? Netscape web servers on Solaris. When big news like the Starr report came out, all the servers at MSNBC running NT came crashing down under the load, but we didn't. That's what UNIX (and Linux) are about, reliability. Apache can be performance-tuned if you need it to be fast (Netscape's server is the same code base as Apache), but for most of us it's fine as-is. I bet that Microsoft.com doesn't get 2200 hits/sec.
Hmm, let's see. Here are a few features of Python:
dynamic, runs as compiled or intepreted code
Code runs on every platform including Windows 3.1/CE/95/98/NT3.x/NT4.x, MacOS, Solaris, AIX, Linux, FreeBSD, BeOS, Amiga, DOS, IRIX, SCO, MacOSX Server, and many, many more. Often the code will move from one machine type to another and run without a single line of code modification.
Open Source -- much like Linux but with Guido van Rossum at the helm instead of Linus.
Late binding -- so cool! Try that with VB, or even Visual C++!
Phenominal object model including namespace mangling/preservation, multiple inheiritance, dynamic variable typing, etc.
Free modules for native access to PostgreSQL, MySQL, DBM, Oracle, and a dozen other databases.
Native and cross-platform GUI RAD tools, including Tkinter.
Free CORBA-compliant ORB in fnorb. Has hooks for the Red Hat C++ orb also.
Stubbing for access to native libraries written in C, C++, Java, and most other languages.
I could go on, but why? VB is a fine programming tool for RAD GUI development. I use a similar tool, RealBasic, to develop GUI apps on the Mac. But VB/VBScript is not as powerful as Python by a long shot. I am not a Perl expert, but I'd bet that someone who is more knowledgable than I in it could make a similar argument for that language.
I'm having some trouble getting the 2.2.8 source to compile. I admit I've never done it before, but I think the problem is more a result of my system config than my lack of procedural knowledge. I am using a LinuxPPC system. It's currently using a 2.2.1 kernel. I get it mostly compiled, and at the very end I get this:
Now, man has references to fgetc, fgets, getc, getchar, gets, and ungetc, but there is no mention of 'fget'. Where does this come from? The code reference is apparently in syscalls.c as follows: file = fget(fd);
where fd is an unsigned long in the function sys_mmap. Is there a simple answer here that I am missing? Where is the right place to ask such questions?
My "father's Linux" was a stack of punchcards and some server room where you would drop them off, and come back in a few hours to see how many vcars it read before you had a bug.
I have NO idea how many lines of code I've written in the past year. None. This year I have written 6 complete dynamic-content web sites in Python and Perl. I have written about a dozen freeware and shareware programs. I've done about 6 dozen CGI scripts for various purposes. I've done a lot of RealBasic programming on my Mac just for the fun of it. How efficient am I? I don't know. All of my code works, and it all does what I intended for it to do. Isn't that what matters. Don't blame CNN, because they just report what other people give them. Blame the idiots that released the study.
Well, by that token, Apple's pricing is inflated too. I can get a G3/400 from Apple for $1999 custom-configured. Add some RAM from the Chip Merchant, get OS X Server for $499, pick up a couple of fast SCSI drives third party, and a cheat F&W Ultra SCSI card. For under $4k, you can have the same performance apple touts in these specs.
What people don't get is that this is a press release. Nothing more. Press releases are always slanted. I'm going to install OS/X today on my old 604e/233 and to some tests. I am using LinuxPPC on the same box right now, and I will benchmark the two and compare.
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We all now see why people like you post anonymously. All you did in your post was knock this guy's ideas (which are based in fact and generally correct). You offer no counterpoints, no other thoughts or ideas. If I had any moderator points, you'd be falling down the list like the stone in the pond of social darwinism that you are.
I've written several AI systems, though not in the context of games. A set of finite rules is really insufficient. Once the human learns the rules, they will always win. What is needed in AI is for the machine to ascertain the behavior of the human in turn and adapt accordingly.
Umm, have you eer used commercial Unix? They all have commercial compilers, and genrally they're not cheap. At the company I worked for previously, we developed a GIS product for Solaris, SunOS, IRIX, DEC/OSF, AIX, and HP/UX. Some of the companies gave us basic compiler tools because they wanted our product on their platform (such as HP), but we had to buy the compilers from the rest of them. Companies like SGI charge $2k+ for their graphical debugger (and the license was Node-Locked). I was still using dbx on there for fixing bugs because I couldn't get the company to foot a $10k bill to give the SGI developers a graphical debugger.
Well, mathematically, one monkey is statistically equivalent to 100, or 1000, or any finite number given infinite time. However, it's not equivalent to infinite monkeys in infinite time. Both are infinite, but the size of infinity squared is greater (yeah, I know, but ask a math professor).
LinuxPPC - CHRP, PREP, and Powermac Linux, now at R5
Yellow Dog Linux: for Power Macintosh, G3, and iMac
MkLinux: Linux for PowerMacintosh on a Mach3 kernel
I guess some /.'ers are as ignorant of Linux as they are of Macs.
The LinuxPPC port (R5 just released) has excellent USB support on iMacs and B&W G3s. It seems to be quite stable. I know it supports mice and keyboards at least.
The PDP-8 family of minicomputers were built by Digital Equipment Corporation between 1965 and 1990. The PDP-8 was largely upward compatible with the PDP-5, a machine that was unveiled on August 11, 1963 at WESCON, and the inspiration for that machine came from two earlier machines, the LINC and the CDC 160. All of these machines were characterized by a 12 bit word with little or no hardware byte structure, typically 4K words of memory, and simple but powerful instruction sets.
Ahh, but the point is, a user cannot install stuff on his Linux box that makes it less stable as a whole system. NT is a different story -- it's fairly trivial to reduce the performance of an NT system to a crawl without being an Admin. Crashing it is not that easy (NT is reasonably stable), but I have many times had to log out and back in because of unresolvable problems with DLLs and other nonsense.
My home network consists of a Linux server in the basement, two linux clients, a Mac running MacOS 8.5.1, and a PC running NT 4. The Linux box is the application and file server for all the machines. It's currently at 140 days of uptime. I had to shut it down to add another hard drive 140 days ago. Before that, the last reboot was when I installed it.
I would never dream of swapping the Linux box with the NT box. The NT box couldn't really serve as a Linux application server, and as a file server it does a fairly poor job emulating the native formats/options for both Linux and MacOS.
The problem is that there is not a non-proprietary streaming video format (yet). Quicktime is moving in this direction with it being the basis of MPEG3 and distributing the server source, but as of now there's no solution. Your options (AFAIK) are:
1) Windows Media
2) Real
Of the two, Real is more cross-platform. It runs on Mac, Windows, and Linux. Windows Media runs on Windows, and it crashes on the Mac. There's no other option for it.
I sincerely hope that Apple will release Quicktime for Linux, but it's not an option yet.
Well, there is currently not a BSD (Free/Open/whatever) implementation that runs on my machine (PCI Powermac), so Linux is my only option. If you want the popularity of Linux, you have to have it run on the same platforms. The world is bigger than Intel.
Well, I work for a very large worldwide online/television news organization. Our main web site gets about 130,000 hits/minute on a normal day. That comes out to about 2200 hits/sec. This doesn't include any of our partners, which each generate a good bit of traffic. We have 6 T3s and an OC3 for our bandwidth, and we run multiple servers to balance the load.
What do we run? Netscape web servers on Solaris. When big news like the Starr report came out, all the servers at MSNBC running NT came crashing down under the load, but we didn't. That's what UNIX (and Linux) are about, reliability. Apache can be performance-tuned if you need it to be fast (Netscape's server is the same code base as Apache), but for most of us it's fine as-is. I bet that Microsoft.com doesn't get 2200 hits/sec.
I could go on, but why? VB is a fine programming tool for RAD GUI development. I use a similar tool, RealBasic, to develop GUI apps on the Mac. But VB/VBScript is not as powerful as Python by a long shot. I am not a Perl expert, but I'd bet that someone who is more knowledgable than I in it could make a similar argument for that language.
ld -T arch/ppc/vmlinux.lds -Ttext 0xc0000000 -Bstatic arch/ppc/kernel/head.o init/main.o init/version.o \
/usr/src/linux-2.3.0/lib/lib.a \
--start-group \ arch/ppc/kernel/kernel.o arch/ppc/mm/mm.o arch/ppc/lib/lib.o kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/fs.o ipc/ipc.o \
fs/filesystems.a \
net/network.a \
drivers/block/block.a drivers/char/char.a drivers/misc/misc.a drivers/net/net.a drivers/scsi/scsi.a drivers/cdrom/cdrom.a drivers/sound/sound.a drivers/pci/pci.a drivers/macintosh/macintosh.a drivers/video/video.a \
--end-group \
-o vmlinux
arch/ppc/kernel/kernel.o: In function `sys_mmap':
arch/ppc/kernel/kernel.o(.text+0x4a38): undefined reference to `fget'
Now, man has references to fgetc, fgets, getc, getchar, gets, and ungetc, but there is no mention of 'fget'. Where does this come from? The code reference is apparently in syscalls.c as follows:
file = fget(fd);
where fd is an unsigned long in the function sys_mmap. Is there a simple answer here that I am missing? Where is the right place to ask such questions?
My "father's Linux" was a stack of punchcards and some server room where you would drop them off, and come back in a few hours to see how many vcars it read before you had a bug.
I have NO idea how many lines of code I've written in the past year. None. This year I have written 6 complete dynamic-content web sites in Python and Perl. I have written about a dozen freeware and shareware programs. I've done about 6 dozen CGI scripts for various purposes. I've done a lot of RealBasic programming on my Mac just for the fun of it. How efficient am I? I don't know. All of my code works, and it all does what I intended for it to do. Isn't that what matters. Don't blame CNN, because they just report what other people give them. Blame the idiots that released the study.
Well, by that token, Apple's pricing is inflated too. I can get a G3/400 from Apple for $1999 custom-configured. Add some RAM from the Chip Merchant, get OS X Server for $499, pick up a couple of fast SCSI drives third party, and a cheat F&W Ultra SCSI card. For under $4k, you can have the same performance apple touts in these specs.
What people don't get is that this is a press release. Nothing more. Press releases are always slanted. I'm going to install OS/X today on my old 604e/233 and to some tests. I am using LinuxPPC on the same box right now, and I will benchmark the two and compare.