All the hardware was purchased brand new just one month ago, and appears to work perfectly once it's started up. I don't know how to verify whether something is wrong with the hardware during startup but not any other time.
pre-POST: 20s POST to grub: 10s grub to Win7 logon screen: 20s
Odd that the numbers turned out so round, but there you have it. I guess my two minute figure was a bit exaggerated, but my pre-POST period was too low.
Seriously, twenty seconds doing nothing before the POST? Something has to be messed up.
I get the one-liner no-link spams frequently, and my mail client blocks images by default, but I've never seen a message indicating that images were blocked in those types of messages.
Not that I'm saying you're wrong; I'm just adding my anecdotal evidence to the mix.
I think Bakkster's comment (sibling to yours) has the idea. To wit: my power supply has to stabilize first, and given that it's a 750W, I wouldn't be surprised to find it take several seconds by itself.
I'll reboot when I get home and time it from off to the BIOS screen being displayed, from there to grub, and from grub to the login screen in each OS. I may be overestimating the OS boot time; I just know that the time between pressing the power button and the screen showing the BIOS startup info is like one of those long, awkward silences during dates. I shouldn't have to deal with that anymore, I'm married!
What power supply do you have? I've got a 750W Thermaltake. I'm wondering if maybe the power supply itself is taking a long time to stabilize, causing the long boot delay.
(See this post which reminded me of this possibility.)
Somewhat off-topic, but related to your post... my gaming machine takes forever to boot. Part of the problem is that when it's powered off, and I push the power button, it spends ten seconds just spinning the fans before the BIOS POST screen shows up. I have minimal POST enabled, but I suspect the issue is my video card's initialization (which, presumably, must finish before the BIOS can initialize and display its POST screen). My machine has a Core i7 920, an MSI X58 Platinum motherboard, 12GB RAM, and a GeForce GTX 285. Any ideas?
That might be kinda hard, considering that in my experience it takes no less than five seconds, and sometimes as long as twenty seconds, for the wireless card to complete a connection with the router, especially if there's encryption involved.
You're also assuming that latency is trivial. That's probably an invalid assumption in the most common use case for the sort of machine where this would be useful (i.e. netbooks getting online via 3G or similar).
The simple solution, of course, is to add in, say, 4GB of flash storage to laptop motherboards for exclusive use in hibernation. It could also double as swap space during normal usage.
Even as it is, my laptop comes out of hibernation in five seconds or so (in Windows); it doesn't take very long for your average hard drive to spam your data back into RAM (assuming I had a lot running when I went into hibernation).
If you dual boot between Linux and Windows, like I do, quick boot times are important. I often find myself just staying in Windows to do things I would be better off doing in Linux because I don't want to wait for the computer to reboot. Waiting for Windows to shut down and then waiting for Linux to boot up takes a while (in terms of attention span). I already have a hard enough time motivating myself to be productive at home;)
On an unrelated note... why are your microwave, toaster, dishwasher, and computer all on the same circuit? Do you plug your computer in in your kitchen?:P
The BIOS isn't always the problem... if it takes three seconds for the video card to become usable (fans running, memory initialized, etc), you're not going to get less than a three-second perceived boot time, no matter how fast you make everything else happen. The same goes for other hardware. If they happen in series (or worse, if they have to happen in series), then that can add up - that can be mitigated by the BIOS, of course, but I can see why boot times might get longer.
I've also heard that it can take a few seconds for modern CPUs just to stabilize to a usable state when they're powered on. This may or may not be true; I'm not a hardware engineer. However, if it is true, then between this and other hardware initialization time we may not ever see sub-ten-second boot times.
I'd settle for a sub-60-second boot time... and I'm running the latest and greatest (i7 920, 12GB RAM, GTX 285...), so discounting hardware initialization time, the hardware is certainly *capable* of quick boot times. As it is, my computer takes nearly two minutes to get to a logon screen (whether that's Gentoo or Windows 7).
I thought the same thing happened to me, too (FF3.0.11), but it just took a good 60 seconds to load, and froze the browser in the meantime. Perhaps you were just impatient?
But why would the defense lawyer deny the claims? If it was just a procedural trick, wouldn't they just rubber-stamp it through? Or does the procedural trick require denying the claims?
I use that method when I need to give people temporary passwords, though I throw in a shift at every fourth character:
- bhu*9ijN - Mju7^yhn - 5tgBnhy^ etc.
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I used to work at a place where we used SCP to throw files around on the local 10/100 network. Those transfers always maxed out the network speed (11MBps or so). FTP didn't go any faster... I'm guessing your problem was elsewhere:P
That's what I did at my previous place of employment, since I was the domain administrator and I could change my user account's permissions. I just disabled the "this user must change passwords every 90 days" checkbox... ah, the good old days.
You want me to walk my mom through changing her DNS server on their wireless router over the phone?
By the way, their "opt out" thing must be a manual process - when you've filled out the form they tell you it'll take two business days (!!) for the change to be made. Now, they could be saying that's how long it'll take for the average DHCP lease to expire, but that's most likely not it; they say they'll send you an e-mail once the change has been made, and besides, I think their DHCP leases are for 24 hours, and there would be no reason to say "two business days" rather than "two days".
Manually changing an account's DNS servers? I smell something fishy.
(I'm not making this up - I just did it myself. Rather than wait two days, though, I'm just using L3's DNS servers until I bother to set up my own locally.)
That doesn't work when your cell phone is your only phone:( You have to hop on your laptop and hope someone on messenger that has your phone number is online...... assuming you can find your laptop:)
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All the hardware was purchased brand new just one month ago, and appears to work perfectly once it's started up. I don't know how to verify whether something is wrong with the hardware during startup but not any other time.
So if the guy suing the lawyer for the $1m wins, he can sue you for another $1m?
pre-POST: 20s
POST to grub: 10s
grub to Win7 logon screen: 20s
Odd that the numbers turned out so round, but there you have it. I guess my two minute figure was a bit exaggerated, but my pre-POST period was too low.
Seriously, twenty seconds doing nothing before the POST? Something has to be messed up.
I get the one-liner no-link spams frequently, and my mail client blocks images by default, but I've never seen a message indicating that images were blocked in those types of messages.
Not that I'm saying you're wrong; I'm just adding my anecdotal evidence to the mix.
In the chapter intros in one of the Ender's Shadow books, a system like that is used in e-mail addresses.
So when an old college acquaintance e-mailed me asking me to do freelance work which I did not solicit, he was spamming me?
I think your definition needs some tweaking.
I display my address without obfuscation and I never get -- NO I DO NOT WANT TO INVEST IN YOUR NIGERIAN SCAM!
*ahem* What was I saying?
I think Bakkster's comment (sibling to yours) has the idea. To wit: my power supply has to stabilize first, and given that it's a 750W, I wouldn't be surprised to find it take several seconds by itself.
I'll reboot when I get home and time it from off to the BIOS screen being displayed, from there to grub, and from grub to the login screen in each OS. I may be overestimating the OS boot time; I just know that the time between pressing the power button and the screen showing the BIOS startup info is like one of those long, awkward silences during dates. I shouldn't have to deal with that anymore, I'm married!
What power supply do you have? I've got a 750W Thermaltake. I'm wondering if maybe the power supply itself is taking a long time to stabilize, causing the long boot delay.
(See this post which reminded me of this possibility.)
Some of us like playing Windows games (and not via Wine).
Somewhat off-topic, but related to your post... my gaming machine takes forever to boot. Part of the problem is that when it's powered off, and I push the power button, it spends ten seconds just spinning the fans before the BIOS POST screen shows up. I have minimal POST enabled, but I suspect the issue is my video card's initialization (which, presumably, must finish before the BIOS can initialize and display its POST screen). My machine has a Core i7 920, an MSI X58 Platinum motherboard, 12GB RAM, and a GeForce GTX 285. Any ideas?
That might be kinda hard, considering that in my experience it takes no less than five seconds, and sometimes as long as twenty seconds, for the wireless card to complete a connection with the router, especially if there's encryption involved.
You're also assuming that latency is trivial. That's probably an invalid assumption in the most common use case for the sort of machine where this would be useful (i.e. netbooks getting online via 3G or similar).
Whoops, that last parenthetical comment was from my first draft ^_^
The simple solution, of course, is to add in, say, 4GB of flash storage to laptop motherboards for exclusive use in hibernation. It could also double as swap space during normal usage.
Even as it is, my laptop comes out of hibernation in five seconds or so (in Windows); it doesn't take very long for your average hard drive to spam your data back into RAM (assuming I had a lot running when I went into hibernation).
If you dual boot between Linux and Windows, like I do, quick boot times are important. I often find myself just staying in Windows to do things I would be better off doing in Linux because I don't want to wait for the computer to reboot. Waiting for Windows to shut down and then waiting for Linux to boot up takes a while (in terms of attention span). I already have a hard enough time motivating myself to be productive at home ;)
On an unrelated note... why are your microwave, toaster, dishwasher, and computer all on the same circuit? Do you plug your computer in in your kitchen? :P
The BIOS isn't always the problem... if it takes three seconds for the video card to become usable (fans running, memory initialized, etc), you're not going to get less than a three-second perceived boot time, no matter how fast you make everything else happen. The same goes for other hardware. If they happen in series (or worse, if they have to happen in series), then that can add up - that can be mitigated by the BIOS, of course, but I can see why boot times might get longer.
I've also heard that it can take a few seconds for modern CPUs just to stabilize to a usable state when they're powered on. This may or may not be true; I'm not a hardware engineer. However, if it is true, then between this and other hardware initialization time we may not ever see sub-ten-second boot times.
I'd settle for a sub-60-second boot time... and I'm running the latest and greatest (i7 920, 12GB RAM, GTX 285...), so discounting hardware initialization time, the hardware is certainly *capable* of quick boot times. As it is, my computer takes nearly two minutes to get to a logon screen (whether that's Gentoo or Windows 7).
I thought the same thing happened to me, too (FF3.0.11), but it just took a good 60 seconds to load, and froze the browser in the meantime. Perhaps you were just impatient?
But why would the defense lawyer deny the claims? If it was just a procedural trick, wouldn't they just rubber-stamp it through? Or does the procedural trick require denying the claims?
IANAL, but does anyone else have any ideas?
I use that method when I need to give people temporary passwords, though I throw in a shift at every fourth character:
- bhu*9ijN
- Mju7^yhn
- 5tgBnhy^
etc.
I used to work at a place where we used SCP to throw files around on the local 10/100 network. Those transfers always maxed out the network speed (11MBps or so). FTP didn't go any faster... I'm guessing your problem was elsewhere :P
A worse, even more directly related item on The Daily WTF.
That's what I did at my previous place of employment, since I was the domain administrator and I could change my user account's permissions. I just disabled the "this user must change passwords every 90 days" checkbox... ah, the good old days.
You want me to walk my mom through changing her DNS server on their wireless router over the phone?
By the way, their "opt out" thing must be a manual process - when you've filled out the form they tell you it'll take two business days (!!) for the change to be made. Now, they could be saying that's how long it'll take for the average DHCP lease to expire, but that's most likely not it; they say they'll send you an e-mail once the change has been made, and besides, I think their DHCP leases are for 24 hours, and there would be no reason to say "two business days" rather than "two days".
Manually changing an account's DNS servers? I smell something fishy.
(I'm not making this up - I just did it myself. Rather than wait two days, though, I'm just using L3's DNS servers until I bother to set up my own locally.)
Yes, but there are people on my messenger list that I would prefer not have my phone number.
That doesn't work when your cell phone is your only phone :( You have to hop on your laptop and hope someone on messenger that has your phone number is online... ... assuming you can find your laptop :)