Thank-you for personifying the ignorance and conceit of American foreign policy. Why don't you just help them instead saying it's not your fault? Don't you feel sorry for them living in squalor?
How are they off topic? It is all relevant. They are all colonial interests that exploited the indigenous populations - they just didn't join the union. I'm not saying the United States in its current form is responsible for all the pain and suffering in the Americas, but you know damn well that the US could do a lot more than it does to help those countries pillaged by pre-Columbian colonisation efforts. Just out of the goodness of your hearts would be nice. But we all know you don't care.:(
OK, you made me do this. Here's how Hawaii joined the union, in 1900, not WW2.
In 1820, New England missionaries arrived and began to "westernize" the islands. In 1840, Britain, France, and the United States recognized Hawaii as an independent kingdom, headed by King Kamehameha III. Yet Britain and France wanted to control the islands, and thus Kamehameha III placed Hawaii under U.S. protection in 1875.
In 1887, the United States was granted permission to establish a naval base in Hawaii at Pearl Harbor. Later, U.S. sugar interests encouraged that the King be overthrown, and Hawaii was established as a republic in 1893. U.S. domination of the islands came five years later, when the United States annexed Hawaii and it became a U.S. territory in 1900.
And this is what American companies do in central America:
The United Fruit Company (UFCO) owned vast tracts of land in the Caribbean lowlands. It also dominated regional transportation networks through its International Railways of Central America and its Great White Fleet of steamships. In addition, UFCO branched out in 1913 by creating the Tropical Radio and Telegraph Company. One of the company's primary tactics for maintaining market dominance was to control the distribution of banana lands. UFCO claimed that hurricanes, blight and other natural threats required them to hold extra land or reserve land. In practice, what this meant was that UFCO was able to prevent the government from distributing banana lands to peasants who wanted a share of the banana trade. The fact that the UFCO relied so heavily on manipulation of land use rights in order to maintain their market dominance had a number of long-term consequences for the region. For the company to maintain its unequal land holdings it often required government concessions. And this in turn meant that the company had to be politically involved in the region even though it was an American company. In fact, the heavy-handed involvement of the company in governments which often were or became corrupt created the term "Banana republic" representing a "servile dictatorship".
The first Dutch colonies in the Americas were on the Essequibo river in Guyana and on the Amazon... they aren't there now. There were the Netherlands Antilles - Aruba, Curacoa etc...
1. OK, so the first 200 years were spent exploiting the indigenous populations of North America.
2. The US was also settled by those same powers - the French, Swedish, Dutch and Irish as well as the English.
4. As you said, there was no United States all this manifest destiny stuff was going on.
All of this is in the past now. There are plenty of examples, United Fruit in Haiti is one of my favorites. Also check out how Hawaii became a state. What is important now is making sure we're doing all that we can to raise the quality of life in those countries.
Is there any way I'm going to be able to convince you that the cause of that is a 400 year economic warfare campaign waged by the US on the entirety of Central and South America to extract natural resources and cheap foreign labour?
Maybe you could look into the reasons that you have to defend the border with guns... Why there is such an impoverished lawless country right next to your financially stable uncorrupt country of good Christian morals.
Pot is not decriminalised though. So it is not a good example. Try looking at alcohol after the end of alcohol prohibition. People stopped adding adulterants like ethylene glycol because the absurd profits were not there.
It would be cooked by chem majors because drug companies employ chem majors and not crackheads to work in their companies...
The bulk of small time pot dealers are pot smokers who sell pot so that they don't have to pay for it themselves. The rest just want the money.
I don't mind that you see it differently to me, but I would like you to acknowledge that you want prohibition to continue and as such you want organised crime to thrive.
If it was legal it would get cooked in labs by people with chemistry degrees. And it would still be two orders of magnitude cheaper.
What you are saying about the production is actually completely opposite. Less people will be cooking it up in their garages because there is no massive profit in it anymore. You don't see the alcohol market overrun by homemade spirits and beer anymore do you?
You spent 14 years in a crime capital where criminals use a very effective tool to make other people steal stuff for them. Why do you want them to keep that tool?
What are the social problems around meth where you live? Here (NZ, meth is usually around $60 - $100 for 100mg) the problems are -
Street crime, muggings, home invasions, ram raids, theft from employers etc for cash to buy the drug. Girls become prostitutes.
Violence to resolve money issues because there is no legal recourse the dealers or buyers.
The bigger nationwide gangs in the country have joined together to realise greater profits from the meth trade. They are using this money to open semi-legitimate businesses further entrenching their position.
Large quantities of precursors come into NZ from China, unwitting or naive international students are used as drug mules by Chinese cartels who have even less regard for life.
This is not a happy situation. But please tell me all about how opening more treatment centers for addicts and keeping them out of crime school (prison) is a bad thing.
So, you want meth to stay underground and people to keep dying because violence is the only way to resolve conflicts and money to keep being wasted on cops and prisons and public service announcements and houses to keep getting robbed by junkies paying blackmarket prices?
Because that's how this works. Either you make everything legal and we just deal with the health issues like reasonable people or you keep funding organised crime and generally make the world nasty.
No, go after the politicians that won't end prohibition of drugs, whose livelihoods are too tied up supporting the prison/drugs/law enforcement complex to see that they are hurting everyone with this ridiculous moral nanny state bullshit. I don't even live in the US and my country is fucked from US prohibition... that's how insidious it is.
Well you're wrong - anarchy is a political philosophy and it has different possible modes. Anarcho-capitalism is stateless, unless you consider each soveriegn individual a state. Anarcho-syndicalism is akin to Marx's communism in that the workers become the owners of the means of production. The null option is to sit down and do nothing and starve to death.
Pretty sure that big statue still says, 'Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free...'
Shame how little time it took a country founded on principles of progress and social development to revert to the old 'keep the status quo!' ways. You fucked the world, economically and culturally, this is the world America built. Don't complain if you don't plan to help fix it.:)
American companies don't force people to work at *gunpoint*...
They just buy all the land and necessary government officials they need and then make it unprofitable for local companies to operate.
That's good, and you seem like you're on the right track. It's not enough though, there are many opportunities for you to close the gap between what you know and the ignorance of the general population... if you can handle being called a crazy person for a while.
:P
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Thank-you for personifying the ignorance and conceit of American foreign policy. Why don't you just help them instead saying it's not your fault? Don't you feel sorry for them living in squalor?
Post Colombian. Gah... you're like talking to a brick wall you're making my head hurt. Thanks for seeing it through this far.
How are they off topic? It is all relevant. They are all colonial interests that exploited the indigenous populations - they just didn't join the union. I'm not saying the United States in its current form is responsible for all the pain and suffering in the Americas, but you know damn well that the US could do a lot more than it does to help those countries pillaged by pre-Columbian colonisation efforts. Just out of the goodness of your hearts would be nice. But we all know you don't care. :(
OK, you made me do this. Here's how Hawaii joined the union, in 1900, not WW2.
In 1820, New England missionaries arrived and began to "westernize" the islands. In 1840, Britain, France, and the United States recognized Hawaii as an independent kingdom, headed by King Kamehameha III. Yet Britain and France wanted to control the islands, and thus Kamehameha III placed Hawaii under U.S. protection in 1875.
In 1887, the United States was granted permission to establish a naval base in Hawaii at Pearl Harbor. Later, U.S. sugar interests encouraged that the King be overthrown, and Hawaii was established as a republic in 1893. U.S. domination of the islands came five years later, when the United States annexed Hawaii and it became a U.S. territory in 1900.
And this is what American companies do in central America:
The United Fruit Company (UFCO) owned vast tracts of land in the Caribbean lowlands. It also dominated regional transportation networks through its International Railways of Central America and its Great White Fleet of steamships. In addition, UFCO branched out in 1913 by creating the Tropical Radio and Telegraph Company. One of the company's primary tactics for maintaining market dominance was to control the distribution of banana lands. UFCO claimed that hurricanes, blight and other natural threats required them to hold extra land or reserve land. In practice, what this meant was that UFCO was able to prevent the government from distributing banana lands to peasants who wanted a share of the banana trade. The fact that the UFCO relied so heavily on manipulation of land use rights in order to maintain their market dominance had a number of long-term consequences for the region. For the company to maintain its unequal land holdings it often required government concessions. And this in turn meant that the company had to be politically involved in the region even though it was an American company. In fact, the heavy-handed involvement of the company in governments which often were or became corrupt created the term "Banana republic" representing a "servile dictatorship".
The first Dutch colonies in the Americas were on the Essequibo river in Guyana and on the Amazon... they aren't there now. There were the Netherlands Antilles - Aruba, Curacoa etc...
1. OK, so the first 200 years were spent exploiting the indigenous populations of North America.
2. The US was also settled by those same powers - the French, Swedish, Dutch and Irish as well as the English.
4. As you said, there was no United States all this manifest destiny stuff was going on.
All of this is in the past now. There are plenty of examples, United Fruit in Haiti is one of my favorites. Also check out how Hawaii became a state. What is important now is making sure we're doing all that we can to raise the quality of life in those countries.
Is there any way I'm going to be able to convince you that the cause of that is a 400 year economic warfare campaign waged by the US on the entirety of Central and South America to extract natural resources and cheap foreign labour?
Maybe you could look into the reasons that you have to defend the border with guns... Why there is such an impoverished lawless country right next to your financially stable uncorrupt country of good Christian morals.
I'm just trying to show you that there are other ways to deal with this apart from using MORE VIOLENCE. But you seem to be the standard Amero-type. :(
How is putting military units on the borders *not* using more guns, more money and more bureaucracy??
You have the weirdest logic...
Your solution to the problem is more guns, more money and more beaurocracy. :(
Pot is not decriminalised though. So it is not a good example. Try looking at alcohol after the end of alcohol prohibition. People stopped adding adulterants like ethylene glycol because the absurd profits were not there.
It would be cooked by chem majors because drug companies employ chem majors and not crackheads to work in their companies...
The bulk of small time pot dealers are pot smokers who sell pot so that they don't have to pay for it themselves. The rest just want the money.
I don't mind that you see it differently to me, but I would like you to acknowledge that you want prohibition to continue and as such you want organised crime to thrive.
If it was legal it would get cooked in labs by people with chemistry degrees. And it would still be two orders of magnitude cheaper.
What you are saying about the production is actually completely opposite. Less people will be cooking it up in their garages because there is no massive profit in it anymore. You don't see the alcohol market overrun by homemade spirits and beer anymore do you? You spent 14 years in a crime capital where criminals use a very effective tool to make other people steal stuff for them. Why do you want them to keep that tool?
What are the social problems around meth where you live? Here (NZ, meth is usually around $60 - $100 for 100mg) the problems are - Street crime, muggings, home invasions, ram raids, theft from employers etc for cash to buy the drug. Girls become prostitutes. Violence to resolve money issues because there is no legal recourse the dealers or buyers. The bigger nationwide gangs in the country have joined together to realise greater profits from the meth trade. They are using this money to open semi-legitimate businesses further entrenching their position. Large quantities of precursors come into NZ from China, unwitting or naive international students are used as drug mules by Chinese cartels who have even less regard for life. This is not a happy situation. But please tell me all about how opening more treatment centers for addicts and keeping them out of crime school (prison) is a bad thing.
So, you want meth to stay underground and people to keep dying because violence is the only way to resolve conflicts and money to keep being wasted on cops and prisons and public service announcements and houses to keep getting robbed by junkies paying blackmarket prices? Because that's how this works. Either you make everything legal and we just deal with the health issues like reasonable people or you keep funding organised crime and generally make the world nasty.
No, go after the politicians that won't end prohibition of drugs, whose livelihoods are too tied up supporting the prison/drugs/law enforcement complex to see that they are hurting everyone with this ridiculous moral nanny state bullshit. I don't even live in the US and my country is fucked from US prohibition... that's how insidious it is.
Einstein didn't build the bomb...
Well you're wrong - anarchy is a political philosophy and it has different possible modes. Anarcho-capitalism is stateless, unless you consider each soveriegn individual a state. Anarcho-syndicalism is akin to Marx's communism in that the workers become the owners of the means of production. The null option is to sit down and do nothing and starve to death.
Capitalism seems to invariably lead to asshattery such as intellectual property and patent law, and the pursuit of profit at any cost.
Err... yeah? Is everything fine and dandy from your perspective?
Pretty sure that big statue still says, 'Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free...' Shame how little time it took a country founded on principles of progress and social development to revert to the old 'keep the status quo!' ways. You fucked the world, economically and culturally, this is the world America built. Don't complain if you don't plan to help fix it. :)
American companies don't force people to work at *gunpoint*... They just buy all the land and necessary government officials they need and then make it unprofitable for local companies to operate.
That's good, and you seem like you're on the right track. It's not enough though, there are many opportunities for you to close the gap between what you know and the ignorance of the general population... if you can handle being called a crazy person for a while.
:P Happens naturally - post mix of oil and fuel before injection into rotary engine lubricates rotor seals. Massive release - oil injection rate increased an order of magnitude by mutant rotary enthusiast stops combustion of fuel and operation of engine.
Don't worry, it's already happening. You can breathe again. Oceans' alarm: Jellyfish swarms
He was probably sick of working for pennies for an American company in his third world country...