I could *also* be wrong;P but it was my understanding that they have completed the artist switch to G5's, and are planning to move the farm to xserves in the near future. I've been eyeing xgrid, slated for 10.4/tiger, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear them using a stock or modified version of that for queue management.
$1499 annual maintenence for linux shake gui $399 annual maintenence for linux render
In order to compete with G5, you'd need top of the line opteron's (which are actually, in my tests YMMV, a few seconds per frame slower than G5's. Doesn't sound like much, but at 24FPS, seconds add up quickly). Good luck finding those comparably equipped to the xserve for under $1500.
In fact, here's an equivalent render node from boxxtech.com:
RenderBOXX 7104 dual opteron model 246 (2Ghz), 1G (no 512 option) DDR400 RAM, 80G SATA, Dual GE
$2,890.00
For those of you keeping track, that makes cost of ownership for the two render nodes break down like so:
Linux OSX
HW 2890 2999 License 1499 N/A
Misc 399 N/A
Total $4788 $2999
thats Apple with a $1789 advantage PER SEAT. Can we please stop the FUD now?
Good luck convincing a jury that you switched to a 2- to 3-times as expensive per seat hardware/software platform and it had nothing to do with the fact that the same guy is CEO at both companies.
Shake 3 is also available for Linux for a suggested retail price of $9,900 (US) with an annual maintenance of $1485 (US). Render-only versions of Shake 3 are free on Mac OS X and are available for Linux for a suggested retail price of $3,900 (US) with an annual maintenance of $585 (US).
even after buying a loaded dual g5 (composite workstation) or a xserve (rendering) facilities are saving money by switching to apple. Shake is also more stable on Mac than Linux.
(yes, i realize pixar deals mostly in 3d and not compositing, however, most VFX facilities do both)
>Unlike the dotcommers getting laid off in Silicon Valley (including those who never had a real job in the first place), some of us folks in flyover country have to work for a living and can't go to trade shows on a weekday Well, us dotnetters in silicon valley who work for established companies have respectful employers, who wish to further their investment in us and pay us to go to things like these. Bitter much? >Elsewhere in the Heart of America(tm), MLUG (http://mlug.missouri.edu/) has held some pretty successful Linux/OpenSource events in Columbia, MO. They had Eric Raymond as a keynote speaker last year... I guess you missed the fact that ESR is/was at linuxfest. Or that Emmett is there. This flop is not a result of the community of KC not being into it, it's the result of the organizer being a moron. The one man show behind this has always been out for money and nothing else, and knows little, if anything, about what he is doing. Hat's off to KULUA (Kansas Unix & Linux Users Association) and KCLUG for attempting to salvage this thing. As a recent transplant from KC, It's good to see someone try, I just wish it would have been someone more competent. -sqweak
Delivery Driver seen ups lately? they carry electronic clipboards and cellular phones. according to the us government, he could somehow hack this, and is not allowed to use them.
Taxi Driver computers in the cab, see above.
Waiter when is the last time you saw a normal cash register? even fast food places use computers for registers now. Host at a restaurant See above
Car wash attendent most car washes are computer controlled.
Car lot porter Dealerships use computers, especially for inventory, something a porter would have to work with.
Dairy worker (milk cows) heh, milkers have been computerized since the early 80's. Don't look at me, its the gov't that disallows ALL use of computers.
Just take that into account when you say that he could just work for minimum wage. He's not allowed a cellphone, computer, or any device which could access the internet. Regardless of whether the machines DO access, if they could is all that matters.
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;P but it was my understanding that they have completed the artist switch to G5's, and are planning to move the farm to xserves in the near future. I've been eyeing xgrid, slated for 10.4/tiger, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear them using a stock or modified version of that for queue management.
I could *also* be wrong
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right, you also neglected to mention:
$1499 annual maintenence for linux shake gui
$399 annual maintenence for linux render
In order to compete with G5, you'd need top of the line opteron's (which are actually, in my tests YMMV, a few seconds per frame slower than G5's. Doesn't sound like much, but at 24FPS, seconds add up quickly). Good luck finding those comparably equipped to the xserve for under $1500.
In fact, here's an equivalent render node from boxxtech.com:
RenderBOXX 7104
dual opteron model 246 (2Ghz), 1G (no 512 option) DDR400 RAM, 80G SATA, Dual GE
$2,890.00
For those of you keeping track, that makes cost of ownership for the two render nodes break down like so:
Linux OSX
HW 2890 2999
License 1499 N/A
Misc 399 N/A
Total $4788 $2999
thats Apple with a $1789 advantage PER SEAT. Can we please stop the FUD now?
Good luck convincing a jury that you switched to a 2- to 3-times as expensive per seat hardware/software platform and it had nothing to do with the fact that the same guy is CEO at both companies.
from apple's shake page
Shake 3 For Mac OS X $4,950.00
Shake 3 is also available for Linux for a suggested retail price of $9,900 (US) with an annual maintenance of $1485 (US). Render-only versions of Shake 3 are free on Mac OS X and are available for Linux for a suggested retail price of $3,900 (US) with an annual maintenance of $585 (US).
even after buying a loaded dual g5 (composite workstation) or a xserve (rendering) facilities are saving money by switching to apple. Shake is also more stable on Mac than Linux.
(yes, i realize pixar deals mostly in 3d and not compositing, however, most VFX facilities do both)
>Unlike the dotcommers getting laid off in Silicon Valley (including those who never had a real job in the first place), some of us folks in flyover country have to work for a living and can't go to trade shows on a weekday
Well, us dotnetters in silicon valley who work for established companies have respectful employers, who wish to further their investment in us and pay us to go to things like these. Bitter much?
>Elsewhere in the Heart of America(tm), MLUG (http://mlug.missouri.edu/) has held some pretty successful Linux/OpenSource events in Columbia, MO. They had Eric Raymond as a keynote speaker last year...
I guess you missed the fact that ESR is/was at linuxfest. Or that Emmett is there. This flop is not a result of the community of KC not being into it, it's the result of the organizer being a moron. The one man show behind this has always been out for money and nothing else, and knows little, if anything, about what he is doing. Hat's off to KULUA (Kansas Unix & Linux Users Association) and KCLUG for attempting to salvage this thing. As a recent transplant from KC, It's good to see someone try, I just wish it would have been someone more competent.
-sqweak
Well, your mostly right...
Delivery Driver
seen ups lately? they carry electronic clipboards and cellular phones. according to the us government, he could somehow hack this, and is not allowed to use them.
Taxi Driver
computers in the cab, see above.
Waiter
when is the last time you saw a normal cash register? even fast food places use computers for registers now.
Host at a restaurant
See above
Car wash attendent
most car washes are computer controlled.
Car lot porter
Dealerships use computers, especially for inventory, something a porter would have to work with.
Dairy worker (milk cows)
heh, milkers have been computerized since the early 80's. Don't look at me, its the gov't that disallows ALL use of computers.
Just take that into account when you say that he could just work for minimum wage. He's not allowed a cellphone, computer, or any device which could access the internet. Regardless of whether the machines DO access, if they could is all that matters.