The company/developer behind it could, of course, evolve both their core product and release something entirely different such as a ad-filtering proxy [service].
I'm fairly sure they would rather than just give up and fold the tent.
Once they did, it wouldn't much matter what browser people use, ads would be blocked.
No. Now you sound like you're deliberately missing the point. I was quite clear that government should push the market to be sufficiently competitive that segmentation is a losing proposition. Just the way Smith envisioned it.
No, you still missed it. The market should stop them and the governments of the world should regulate the markets so that they do. That is the principle behind Capitalism. It's in the public interest (which is what governments are supposed to represent) that they do.
When law enforcement fails, people will steal stuff and sell it cheap. So cheap that legitimate businesses don't have a chance in that "market". It doesn't make fencing goods the right thing.
They could try actual journalism. Brushing up PR releases and reprinting the newswire isn't journalism. They could try not tracking people with their ads. They could try being more careful not to serve drive by malware in their ads.
Perhaps they should actually curating the ads like they did in print.
ABP displays ads that meet their standards. It's users seem fine with that. They just don't want singing dancing malware. The evidence for that is that ABP has users even though there are other ad blockers that block ads completely.
The advertisers are just ticked off that people object to the use of airhorns and a punch in the nose as an attention getting device.
No. That would force them to make ABP a proxy server but that's about it. Meanwhile, Mozilla would further damage themselves and their shrinking market share.
let's face it, practically nobody seeks ads out, but some ads make people willing to take action to get rid of them and some don't. Even the ad industry recognizes that it went too far and has inspired people to install adblock plus. It may be too late now, especially since they also failed to police themselves to prevent drive by malware ads, but had they listened earlier, perhaps they wouldn't face the problems they face today.
They're not going to find a solution to their problem by jamming their fingers in their ears and shouting LaLaLa.
No. In a healthy market, the high end product would be forced down in price to just above the marginal cost of production. Are you claiming that consumers faced with two products with the same price, they wouldn't go for the one with all the features vs the one that just performed the basic functions?
The public good doesn't give a rip about the CEOs ability to afford an extra yacht.
Perhaps the obligatory car analogy will work. You want the new car, but it's too expensive with the sport package and you tell the dealer. So he offers the car without for $1000 less and you agree. So he peels off the pinstripe tape, hammers the sideview mirrors off and spray paints the backup camera lens and says here you go! (In other words, he vandalizes the car).
Yes, it would actually have been slightly cheaper to just let you have the extra features, but they just bumped the base price up enough to cover the cost of vandalizing the car.
If the market was at all healthy, there would be a dealer down the street willing to do exactly that in order to get your business.
As for your example of protected firmware, they cannot just use a hash since that would preclude updates or multiple versions. So they would have to use public key. That includes protecting the secret key from loss or leaks while making sure it's available to vetted developers so they can test and release new versions. They'll also have to protect the bootloader so you don't just patch the test out. So now, the same people who begrudge an extra $0.01 for screws vs plastic rivets is now spending $1.00 on TPM plus extra on epoxy and other anti-tampering douchbaggery. Then, anti-debugging "features" to keep someone from grabbing a clean copy of the firmware for analysis. Then, when it gets hacked anyway, there's the legal costs for finding and suing everyone and his dog.
In a healthy market, all of that would be a losing proposition and so the competition would push them out or force them to reform.
Looks like a bargain basement 802.11b/g/n AP. G should do 54 Mbps but you only got 3 w/ the OEM software.
In contrast, my WRT-54G and WRT-54GL (hardly expensive gear) got identical speed with OEM vs Free software, but with Free software it didn't forget existing TCP sessions, didn't crumple under load, and supported VLANs and IPv6 including 6to4.
You tried to claim a 200 year history for something much newer and I called you on it. Then you claim it goes beyond computers and promptly use the first example that comes to your mind, CPUs !
But it's not a good example. The CPU market (at least x86 compatible) is very unhealthy. It has far too few competitors and way too much too big to fail. The market for ARM is much healthier.
Even so, CPU binning STARTED as a legitimate practice. They sold off processors that failed a test for cost recovery. For example, if there was a cache failure, they would disable the half of the cache it was located in and sell it off as a Celeron. If it couldn't run at full speed without an error they would bin it lower and sell it cheaper. Of course, due to inadequate competition, the high end doesn't get cheaper when the defect rate comes down (that is, when the manufacturing cost comes down due to reduced defects) or from binned sales (that is, effectively recovering the costs of defects by selling them anyway).
Now, back to that 200 year history, I'm guessing you mean since Smith wrote The Wealth of Nations or perhaps you're referring to it's influence in early American politics. You should actually read his work, cover to cover. In it you'll find a call for balanced regulation as a duty of government and an admonition not to grant corporate charters unless absolutely necessary and then to keep them on a short leash. You'll also get a sense of what Smith considered a healthy market. Hint, it involved a great many more competitors than we generally have now, and it assumed they would not be that much bigger financially than their customers.
Now look around and tell me how closely the modern landscape resembles Smith's vision of the market.
In that sort of market, he posited that competition would inevitably drive prices down to the marginal cost of production. There would be no room for "value pricing". That is the basis of and justification for Capitalism.
You missed the fundamental. point. If the market was at all healthy, they would be forced to do that no matter what you or I think about it. They would see a somewhat reduced R&D cost since they would no longer waste money and time on locking people out from doing their own upgrade. They would also likely be forced to accept a smaller profit. Yes, they deserve to make a living but nobody owes them a windfall.
It's rubbish. It sounds like they could save a cool million by just doing the tuning once and selling the more powerful product at a proper market regulated price rather than playing silly games with market segmentation. If the better product costs no more to make than the lesser product, the market will force them to sell the better product at the lesser price in order to be competitive.
The EPA doesn't mandate a lockdown on hydraulic sensors, GPS, and such. Yet they are locked down.
You'd be surprised what the community can do given half a chance. People have been editing games with a hex editor and completely reverse engineering the map formats and writing map editors better than the original for years, and that's just for fun. Imagine what can happen when there's big bucks to be saved!
It goes well beyond that. It's not just the engine control that's locked up, it's everything. The controller for the GPS, for the autopilot, for the accessories attached, etc.They could provide a mechanism that doesn't require hacking for replacing a fuel injector but they don't. The EPA requires no such total lock-down.
If people are doing that, they're assholes. You're supposed to use the blower to pile the leaves up in your own yard so you can dispose of them (burn, compost, or pick up depending on local law).
We now know that THC without sufficient CBD to balance it out can cause psychiatric symptoms is some people. Fortunately, the plant contains both in ratios differing based on the variety. The most dangerous form of all is the "marinol" that the feds wanted doctors to prescribe in favor of marijuana. That contains no CBD, just THC.
No smoke is all that good for the lungs, but many users are switching to vaporizing and others just eat it to avoid the lungs entirely. I've never heard of anyone actually that allergic to the smoke (as opposed to the herbicides the DEA occasionally likes to sprey on crops). I'll be wanting a citation for that one.
As for psychological addictions, other things that cause that include jogging, video games, lifting weights, etc.
Perfectly safe may be a bit exaggerated, but as risks go, it's a small one.
I'm not sure where you read that from?!? Certainly not. I firmly believe that if something has the opposite of the desired effect, doubling down is the height of stupidity.
Are you actually trying to defend extortion or did you just need an excuse to bray like an ass?
Slashdot Mirror
The company/developer behind it could, of course, evolve both their core product and release something entirely different such as a ad-filtering proxy [service].
I'm fairly sure they would rather than just give up and fold the tent.
Once they did, it wouldn't much matter what browser people use, ads would be blocked.
If they don't, some anti-virus company will.
No. Now you sound like you're deliberately missing the point. I was quite clear that government should push the market to be sufficiently competitive that segmentation is a losing proposition. Just the way Smith envisioned it.
No, you still missed it. The market should stop them and the governments of the world should regulate the markets so that they do. That is the principle behind Capitalism. It's in the public interest (which is what governments are supposed to represent) that they do.
When law enforcement fails, people will steal stuff and sell it cheap. So cheap that legitimate businesses don't have a chance in that "market". It doesn't make fencing goods the right thing.
They could try actual journalism. Brushing up PR releases and reprinting the newswire isn't journalism. They could try not tracking people with their ads. They could try being more careful not to serve drive by malware in their ads.
Perhaps they should actually curating the ads like they did in print.
A world that runs primarily on money and desperation.
ABP displays ads that meet their standards. It's users seem fine with that. They just don't want singing dancing malware. The evidence for that is that ABP has users even though there are other ad blockers that block ads completely.
The advertisers are just ticked off that people object to the use of airhorns and a punch in the nose as an attention getting device.
No. That would force them to make ABP a proxy server but that's about it. Meanwhile, Mozilla would further damage themselves and their shrinking market share.
let's face it, practically nobody seeks ads out, but some ads make people willing to take action to get rid of them and some don't. Even the ad industry recognizes that it went too far and has inspired people to install adblock plus. It may be too late now, especially since they also failed to police themselves to prevent drive by malware ads, but had they listened earlier, perhaps they wouldn't face the problems they face today.
They're not going to find a solution to their problem by jamming their fingers in their ears and shouting LaLaLa.
No. In a healthy market, the high end product would be forced down in price to just above the marginal cost of production. Are you claiming that consumers faced with two products with the same price, they wouldn't go for the one with all the features vs the one that just performed the basic functions?
The public good doesn't give a rip about the CEOs ability to afford an extra yacht.
Perhaps the obligatory car analogy will work. You want the new car, but it's too expensive with the sport package and you tell the dealer. So he offers the car without for $1000 less and you agree. So he peels off the pinstripe tape, hammers the sideview mirrors off and spray paints the backup camera lens and says here you go! (In other words, he vandalizes the car).
Yes, it would actually have been slightly cheaper to just let you have the extra features, but they just bumped the base price up enough to cover the cost of vandalizing the car.
If the market was at all healthy, there would be a dealer down the street willing to do exactly that in order to get your business.
As for your example of protected firmware, they cannot just use a hash since that would preclude updates or multiple versions. So they would have to use public key. That includes protecting the secret key from loss or leaks while making sure it's available to vetted developers so they can test and release new versions. They'll also have to protect the bootloader so you don't just patch the test out. So now, the same people who begrudge an extra $0.01 for screws vs plastic rivets is now spending $1.00 on TPM plus extra on epoxy and other anti-tampering douchbaggery. Then, anti-debugging "features" to keep someone from grabbing a clean copy of the firmware for analysis. Then, when it gets hacked anyway, there's the legal costs for finding and suing everyone and his dog.
In a healthy market, all of that would be a losing proposition and so the competition would push them out or force them to reform.
Looks like a bargain basement 802.11b/g/n AP. G should do 54 Mbps but you only got 3 w/ the OEM software.
In contrast, my WRT-54G and WRT-54GL (hardly expensive gear) got identical speed with OEM vs Free software, but with Free software it didn't forget existing TCP sessions, didn't crumple under load, and supported VLANs and IPv6 including 6to4.
You tried to claim a 200 year history for something much newer and I called you on it. Then you claim it goes beyond computers and promptly use the first example that comes to your mind, CPUs !
But it's not a good example. The CPU market (at least x86 compatible) is very unhealthy. It has far too few competitors and way too much too big to fail. The market for ARM is much healthier.
Even so, CPU binning STARTED as a legitimate practice. They sold off processors that failed a test for cost recovery. For example, if there was a cache failure, they would disable the half of the cache it was located in and sell it off as a Celeron. If it couldn't run at full speed without an error they would bin it lower and sell it cheaper. Of course, due to inadequate competition, the high end doesn't get cheaper when the defect rate comes down (that is, when the manufacturing cost comes down due to reduced defects) or from binned sales (that is, effectively recovering the costs of defects by selling them anyway).
Now, back to that 200 year history, I'm guessing you mean since Smith wrote The Wealth of Nations or perhaps you're referring to it's influence in early American politics. You should actually read his work, cover to cover. In it you'll find a call for balanced regulation as a duty of government and an admonition not to grant corporate charters unless absolutely necessary and then to keep them on a short leash. You'll also get a sense of what Smith considered a healthy market. Hint, it involved a great many more competitors than we generally have now, and it assumed they would not be that much bigger financially than their customers.
Now look around and tell me how closely the modern landscape resembles Smith's vision of the market.
In that sort of market, he posited that competition would inevitably drive prices down to the marginal cost of production. There would be no room for "value pricing". That is the basis of and justification for Capitalism.
All the study did was administer standard IQ tests and ask the teens about pot use confidentially.
It's not like they were handing out joints.
200 years? You're trying to tell me that 200 years ago they had things where you flipped a couple bits in firmware to upgrade it?
I had no idea horses had dip switches! I'm not going to ask where the access port is.
You missed the fundamental. point. If the market was at all healthy, they would be forced to do that no matter what you or I think about it. They would see a somewhat reduced R&D cost since they would no longer waste money and time on locking people out from doing their own upgrade. They would also likely be forced to accept a smaller profit. Yes, they deserve to make a living but nobody owes them a windfall.
Did you know that people are allowed to fix their own brakes? This has been true since before the automobile.
It's rubbish. It sounds like they could save a cool million by just doing the tuning once and selling the more powerful product at a proper market regulated price rather than playing silly games with market segmentation. If the better product costs no more to make than the lesser product, the market will force them to sell the better product at the lesser price in order to be competitive.
If the market was anything like healthy, they'd be forced to unlock the extyra power and features just to stay in business.
I see no reason to support a consumer rip-off.
The EPA doesn't mandate a lockdown on hydraulic sensors, GPS, and such. Yet they are locked down.
You'd be surprised what the community can do given half a chance. People have been editing games with a hex editor and completely reverse engineering the map formats and writing map editors better than the original for years, and that's just for fun. Imagine what can happen when there's big bucks to be saved!
If 3 Mbps is the best it can do with the OEM firmware, it's crap hardware to begin with. The old WRT-54s perform better with replacement firmware.
It's the new communism and the Rs and the Ds are in full support..
It goes well beyond that. It's not just the engine control that's locked up, it's everything. The controller for the GPS, for the autopilot, for the accessories attached, etc.They could provide a mechanism that doesn't require hacking for replacing a fuel injector but they don't. The EPA requires no such total lock-down.
It is very much a DMCA thing.
Every instance of that is an example of an unhealthy market. A healthy market would push you down to the low but profitable price everywhere.
If people are doing that, they're assholes. You're supposed to use the blower to pile the leaves up in your own yard so you can dispose of them (burn, compost, or pick up depending on local law).
We now know that THC without sufficient CBD to balance it out can cause psychiatric symptoms is some people. Fortunately, the plant contains both in ratios differing based on the variety. The most dangerous form of all is the "marinol" that the feds wanted doctors to prescribe in favor of marijuana. That contains no CBD, just THC.
No smoke is all that good for the lungs, but many users are switching to vaporizing and others just eat it to avoid the lungs entirely. I've never heard of anyone actually that allergic to the smoke (as opposed to the herbicides the DEA occasionally likes to sprey on crops). I'll be wanting a citation for that one.
As for psychological addictions, other things that cause that include jogging, video games, lifting weights, etc.
Perfectly safe may be a bit exaggerated, but as risks go, it's a small one.
I'm not sure where you read that from?!? Certainly not. I firmly believe that if something has the opposite of the desired effect, doubling down is the height of stupidity.
Are you actually trying to defend extortion or did you just need an excuse to bray like an ass?