Google is in favor of title II. Apparently they believe it will help them to enter the market so they can challenge the incumbents. I'm fairly sure that is the result of in-depth analysis and not due to consulting the magic 8 ball.
Currently, many people have a complete monopoly situation in broadband. It is literally impossible to reduce competition in those markets. Others have 2 choices. It is nearly impossible to reduce competition there. Do you REALLY think title II will drive Comcast or AT&T out of the market>?
It seems to me you're knee jerking on regulation without assessing the situation as it stands now at all.
So in exchange for a possible $6/month in taxes, I get to double the number of choices I have for broadband? If you believe in market forces at all you can see that the price drop will probably more than cover it.
Yeah, I looked out my window and to my amazement, Comcast's cables are just floating there over the street, exactly the way that bricks don't. Then I looked closer and saw that they're attached to these funny tree things with no leaves or branches.
You're confusing title II with the AT&T monopoly. Title II is still active. The suggestion here is to break up the effective duopoly on broadband to move us further away from the nightmare scenario you (rightly) fear.
Note that the new taxes would be about $6 per month. Balance that against price reductions due to added competition and it should work out nicely for consumers. You do believe in competition as a market force, don't you?
The rest of your complaints are more related to a lack of competition than classification as a telecommunications service, so you should add them to the cost of not taking this action.
All the way back to Smith it has been understood that providing a level playing field to build a market on is very much the job of government.
It certainly can be done. The problem is that it requires highly skilled developers committed to a multi-year, multi-phase project. It tends not to be done because management is rarely willing to commit to such a project and isn't willing to pay to have a full analysis and scope put together. No sane developer is going to be willing to do such a complex and detailed analysis for free up front knowing how likely it is that the paying work either won't get done or will be farmed out to code monkeys working from the free analysis they just did.
The problem is that the economics don't really line up for the consumer. All we hear is about how spending an extra $1 on the most common point of failure in a $500 appliance would double the price. That's some really "special" math!.
People buy cheap because the expensive products turn out to be the same as the cheap product except for branding too often.
There is a such thing as overbuilding, but for the most part we are far from it today.
I would agree IFF they didn't retain all of the communications well beyond the need for traffic analysis AND if they stuck to their mission of protecting us from foreign threats. That would mean discarding data the instant they see that the communication was between 2 citizens unless and until they obtained a specific warrant based on probable cause based on the belief that at least one of the parties was collaborating with terrorists.
The prosecutor was indeed wrong. The charges leveled were well beyond the alleged act. Prosecutors are supposed to press reasonable charges. They should never press a charge that a reasonably knowledgeable observer feels sure will never stick if it goes to trial.
That sun shining on you could have been caught by a solar panel. The air you're breathing could have been my endless sink for toxic gasses. You could be doing productive work rather than having a family. The dirt under your feet could be the site of a new pay parking garage. Etc. Etc. Etc.
But because the restrictions are on the deed, not the building, the HOA will still be there griping about your grass not being between 50 and 51 mm tall.
Nothing whatsoever is free by your standards. Absolutely nothing. Since that would render the word meaningless, you might want to adjust your definition.
It is free for the schools and free from the taxpayers in the sense that neither the schools or the taxpayers had to pay for it.
It is free in the sense that all of the money spent on it was freely given.
Actually, the law that authorized the Ga Lottery specifies that it must be spent for education and that it must be in addition to funds allocated from the general budget. It was the only way to overcome opposition.
Technology has changed. The NSA doesn't have 1 in 10 people informing because it's no longer necessary and they don't have the budget for it. Instead, they just intercept all electronic communication (or at least every bit they can get their hands on). They have ceased focusing on intercepting just people of interest, now they want to grab it all. Google and MS have noticed, that's why they're starting to encrypt everything.
The rest is a matter of policy. We don't have a law against talking about the NSA so we can talk about it. I didn't say it was like the East German government, I said it's like the STASI.
I have seen more than one comment here and elsewhere from people formerly behind the iron curtain who see a disturbing similarity.
If only the democrats had proposed this bill when they had a majority. They waited till now because they want it to fail but prefer that the Rs hold the bag. Much like the Rs putting bills they don't want before congress when the Ds are the majority.
The same people who would be paying even more to get less capability for one-off connections for their county schools. Bandwidth gets cheap fast when you can buy large amounts.
You need to read the news more often. They are ROUTINELY intercepting traffic from everyone everywhere. They even got the FISA court to sign off on it.
That sounds about like the scale of STASI to me.
Note that I didn't claim they actually analyse all of it, just that they capture it.
Ask that guy in Germany that the CIA tortured for months how much of a consolation it is that it was a case of mistaken identity.
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Google is in favor of title II. Apparently they believe it will help them to enter the market so they can challenge the incumbents. I'm fairly sure that is the result of in-depth analysis and not due to consulting the magic 8 ball.
Currently, many people have a complete monopoly situation in broadband. It is literally impossible to reduce competition in those markets. Others have 2 choices. It is nearly impossible to reduce competition there. Do you REALLY think title II will drive Comcast or AT&T out of the market>?
It seems to me you're knee jerking on regulation without assessing the situation as it stands now at all.
So in exchange for a possible $6/month in taxes, I get to double the number of choices I have for broadband? If you believe in market forces at all you can see that the price drop will probably more than cover it.
Yeah, I looked out my window and to my amazement, Comcast's cables are just floating there over the street, exactly the way that bricks don't. Then I looked closer and saw that they're attached to these funny tree things with no leaves or branches.
So your position is that competition is bad?
You're confusing title II with the AT&T monopoly. Title II is still active. The suggestion here is to break up the effective duopoly on broadband to move us further away from the nightmare scenario you (rightly) fear.
Note that the new taxes would be about $6 per month. Balance that against price reductions due to added competition and it should work out nicely for consumers. You do believe in competition as a market force, don't you?
The rest of your complaints are more related to a lack of competition than classification as a telecommunications service, so you should add them to the cost of not taking this action.
All the way back to Smith it has been understood that providing a level playing field to build a market on is very much the job of government.
It certainly can be done. The problem is that it requires highly skilled developers committed to a multi-year, multi-phase project. It tends not to be done because management is rarely willing to commit to such a project and isn't willing to pay to have a full analysis and scope put together. No sane developer is going to be willing to do such a complex and detailed analysis for free up front knowing how likely it is that the paying work either won't get done or will be farmed out to code monkeys working from the free analysis they just did.
The problem is that the economics don't really line up for the consumer. All we hear is about how spending an extra $1 on the most common point of failure in a $500 appliance would double the price. That's some really "special" math!.
People buy cheap because the expensive products turn out to be the same as the cheap product except for branding too often.
There is a such thing as overbuilding, but for the most part we are far from it today.
I would agree IFF they didn't retain all of the communications well beyond the need for traffic analysis AND if they stuck to their mission of protecting us from foreign threats. That would mean discarding data the instant they see that the communication was between 2 citizens unless and until they obtained a specific warrant based on probable cause based on the belief that at least one of the parties was collaborating with terrorists.
A jaywalker also knows he's doing wrong. That doesn't absolve the prosecutor who tries to contort it into a terroristic threat and prosecute a felony.
I'm fine with prosecutors pressing jaywalking charges to jaywalkers.
Anything worth doing is worth overdoing! :).
I'm all for firing each and every participant in the systemic issue. Systematically.
However, we only happen to know of one or two at the moment, so let's start there and work our way out.
The prosecutor was indeed wrong. The charges leveled were well beyond the alleged act. Prosecutors are supposed to press reasonable charges. They should never press a charge that a reasonably knowledgeable observer feels sure will never stick if it goes to trial.
That sun shining on you could have been caught by a solar panel. The air you're breathing could have been my endless sink for toxic gasses. You could be doing productive work rather than having a family. The dirt under your feet could be the site of a new pay parking garage. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Shouldn't you be thinking about work?
If one of my neighbors cares to put a TARDIS in the driveway, I will be amused.
But because the restrictions are on the deed, not the building, the HOA will still be there griping about your grass not being between 50 and 51 mm tall.
Nothing whatsoever is free by your standards. Absolutely nothing. Since that would render the word meaningless, you might want to adjust your definition.
It is free for the schools and free from the taxpayers in the sense that neither the schools or the taxpayers had to pay for it.
It is free in the sense that all of the money spent on it was freely given.
Actually, the law that authorized the Ga Lottery specifies that it must be spent for education and that it must be in addition to funds allocated from the general budget. It was the only way to overcome opposition.
Technology has changed. The NSA doesn't have 1 in 10 people informing because it's no longer necessary and they don't have the budget for it. Instead, they just intercept all electronic communication (or at least every bit they can get their hands on). They have ceased focusing on intercepting just people of interest, now they want to grab it all. Google and MS have noticed, that's why they're starting to encrypt everything.
The rest is a matter of policy. We don't have a law against talking about the NSA so we can talk about it. I didn't say it was like the East German government, I said it's like the STASI.
I have seen more than one comment here and elsewhere from people formerly behind the iron curtain who see a disturbing similarity.
If only the democrats had proposed this bill when they had a majority. They waited till now because they want it to fail but prefer that the Rs hold the bag. Much like the Rs putting bills they don't want before congress when the Ds are the majority.
So if Netflix doesn't like a particular broadband provider they can switch to one of the many others currently connecting the same customer...
Or they could urge their customers to switch to one of the many better providers in their area...
It was put there by people voluntarily playing the lottery.
The same people who would be paying even more to get less capability for one-off connections for their county schools. Bandwidth gets cheap fast when you can buy large amounts.
You need to read the news more often. They are ROUTINELY intercepting traffic from everyone everywhere. They even got the FISA court to sign off on it.
That sounds about like the scale of STASI to me.
Note that I didn't claim they actually analyse all of it, just that they capture it.
Ask that guy in Germany that the CIA tortured for months how much of a consolation it is that it was a case of mistaken identity.
4a. Even if root does need access, make it without-password.