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City life turns out to be less intensive than rural life
Not sure where you got that information from. Urban sprawl is very intensive.
How do you propose that people in New York, London, Paris, Tokyo, etc., grow even 10% of their own food?
Large parts of cities include backyards, like in New York, London, and perhaps even Tokyo. I live in a big city and quite a large percentage of my food was grown in the backyard. We didn't have a very big back yard either. Many cities have community plots to grow food. Food can be grown on the tops of buildings, and buildings can be assigned to grow food.
There is nothing smug about acknowledging reality.
True, but as I said most people don't have the attitude to acknowledge reality. When it comes down to it most people just become defensive when they hear that their lifestyle may need to change.
your doomsday scenario of everyone on bikes is just not going to happen. its not beijing, 1970. sorry to burst your fantasy bubble
As I've stated, it's all about attitude. My solutions are easier and more realistic than yours. But then again if people (well, let's be realistic here, when we're talking about lazy and stubborn we're really talking Americans). Electric cars is certainly an intellectually lazy argument that is unsustainable.
The only sustainable and most practical solutions are the most common sense in this case. I don't understand why people feel the need to argue against common sense. The only thing that I do agree with you on is that it is never going to happen, and as I stated the only reason it's never going to happen is because people don't want to change their attitudes. Excuses I did expect, as always.
i am all for getting off oil and coal, but biking? composting? really?
not going to happen dude.
Oh it will happen, it's just a matter of timing. People will not want it to happen, just like people didn't want to give up their SUVs, but it will happen.
you really are the environut this guy was talking about if you honestly believe those are valid solutions to our problems.
As I stated, mindset (attitude) is the major stumbling block.
So all in all, considering oil, coal and gas will be with us for some time to come, it is potentially even important to invest in more efficient and cleaner ways to convert them into energy, than to pin all our hopes on nuclear or indeed renewables.
There's no conversion necessary, except for mindset and lifestyle. If people would bike to work, for example, then the energy demands would be far less than today and we wouldn't have to deal with smog. If people would compost and grow even just 50% of their own food then you Americans could decrease your pollution and consumption even further.
I don't understand why people want to live beyond their energy means and then start complaining when gas prices start rising.
enviro nuts are as clueless and naive
What is an "enviro nut"? Where are they, who are they, and how do you know they are clueless and naive? What school did they not go to?
The one nice thing about being a politician is that their is no experience necessary. In fact most politicians who get their first political job never had experience of being a politician before.
Just because scientists can be poor politicians
What scientists are politicians? And which one of those are poor?
In other words, if you use the word "addicted", that is proof you don't know WTF you're talking about.
Yes I do reply to Trolls and Flames. Any "professional" who uses the word "abuse" shouldn't be working in the industry. It's a sign of ignorance and low intelligence.
BTW, I won't be replying to any of your other Trolls.
LWATCDR, handing out educational CDs is far more productive than gossiping, staring out of a window, or doodling. If a student happens to be figuring out an addition problem then they can always finish it off at lunch time. If they were playing with any of the toys in the classroom then they can always play with the toys later. Nothing is disrupted.
And calling me (somewhat indirectly) sadistic or ignorant for explaining what is normal in my community is ironically ignorant on your part.
I wasn't calling you ignorant or sadistic. I was merely describing people who wish to do harm to children as ignorant and sadistic, because that has been my experience. This was my original complaint about the authoritarian nature of many teachers that I have met.
Of course winter with its snow can be fun, but when the whether becomes so cold as to not be fun or to be a danger then a serious issue arises when educated people (teachers) refuse to let children indoors to keep warm. Hypothermia can be induced above 10 Degrees Celcius (about 50 F) and at much higher temperatures if exposed to water. It's nothing to be taken lightly. I've had frost bite many times, and I've known or heard about people who have had hypothermia.
And I don't consider just barely getting below zero degC as cold.
Who cares? I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about people who do find 0 degrees Celsius cold, or even 10 degrees Celsius. It's stupid and sadistic to make children suffer no matter what you may consider to be cold. Though yes I'll admit, I've dealt with a lot of ignorant people who think being uncomfortable or even in pain is somehow noble or healthy.
I've even talked to people here on Slashdot that said playing dangerous sports that's likely to break bones is good, and they were proud of the fact that they had broken their bones when they were children. I'm not sure if they are just being Trolls or if they're as bizarre and stupid as they appear.
I'm just going to assume you're from a part of the world that isn't very cold
I don't now why you would assume this. I've already stated that we have sub-zero temperatures. In the winter it can very cold, and for about 4 to 5 months of the year frost byte and hypothermia are strong possibilities even for people wearing winter clothing.
Oh noes, the police are enforcing laws which limit my liberty to do whatever the fuck I want?!?!?!?! It's a police state!?!?!?! Bollocks.
Your response is typical ignorance. If you want immoral, draconian, hateful and authoritarian laws to ruin people's lives then you should move to North Korea.
To elaborate. The kid was apparently too embarrassed to tell his parents about it (my mom actually asked the kid why he wasn't in school, that's how she found out). Anyways my mom ended up telling the kids parents, and from what I heard the parents were quite upset at the school. So yeah, I'm sure they raised a bit of hell.
Suspension for being late for class is a fiscal issue.
1) First off the kid I'm talking about isn't American, so American rules don't apply. 2) Second this is not a fiscal issue nor should it be. Education is an educational issue. Forcing a person to not be in school merely hurts the child's education. 3) Using draconian forms of discipline solves nothing except to make children cynical and untrustful of the people who are supposed to be helping and supporting them. 4) "It's a tool to get the parents and the kid to make sure the kid gets there on time." It's a tool that doesn't work. Study's have been done on this issue; having punishments for lateness actually results in more lateness, though I would think educators would be educated about such issues. Market economic theory doesn't always work for social situations.
I hope so. Or maybe this is just the American way of schooling? Seems like metal detectors and security guards are OK but baseball bats are probably a security concern. I hope my overall impressions are wrong.
I would suspect that most kids exposure to (school) operating systems would be similar to that which I see in our local libraries; you can point and click the applications that you need to write your essays and view white-listed content on the Internet. In other words I don't think it matters what operating systems children are exposed to because they will likely not have a chance to use them at any depth other than beginner level.
Teachers have to have the right to confiscate property.
If that is true, then the laws need to be changed. Property should only be confiscated if it is being used in a dangerous or disruptive manner. Giving a teacher arbitrary and authoritarian rights only leads to abuse.
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The GP post gets modded Insightful for ad hominen attacks, flamebait and other fallacies and my parent post gets modded Flamebait for making an observation. If you mod this post Troll I'll re-post this message again until you lose all your Mod points.
I'm not here for Karma.
City life turns out to be less intensive than rural life
Not sure where you got that information from. Urban sprawl is very intensive.
How do you propose that people in New York, London, Paris, Tokyo, etc., grow even 10% of their own food?
Large parts of cities include backyards, like in New York, London, and perhaps even Tokyo. I live in a big city and quite a large percentage of my food was grown in the backyard. We didn't have a very big back yard either. Many cities have community plots to grow food. Food can be grown on the tops of buildings, and buildings can be assigned to grow food.
There is nothing smug about acknowledging reality.
True, but as I said most people don't have the attitude to acknowledge reality. When it comes down to it most people just become defensive when they hear that their lifestyle may need to change.
Are you trying to be hilarious, or is it an accident?
It's a goal, or at least an ideal, or just an idea. It's better than 5%. People need to think outside of their smugness sometimes.
I've always found logic to be more practical than flamebait, but Trolls generally disagree.
your doomsday scenario of everyone on bikes is just not going to happen. its not beijing, 1970. sorry to burst your fantasy bubble
As I've stated, it's all about attitude. My solutions are easier and more realistic than yours. But then again if people (well, let's be realistic here, when we're talking about lazy and stubborn we're really talking Americans). Electric cars is certainly an intellectually lazy argument that is unsustainable.
The only sustainable and most practical solutions are the most common sense in this case. I don't understand why people feel the need to argue against common sense. The only thing that I do agree with you on is that it is never going to happen, and as I stated the only reason it's never going to happen is because people don't want to change their attitudes. Excuses I did expect, as always.
i am all for getting off oil and coal, but biking? composting? really?
not going to happen dude.
Oh it will happen, it's just a matter of timing. People will not want it to happen, just like people didn't want to give up their SUVs, but it will happen.
you really are the environut this guy was talking about if you honestly believe those are valid solutions to our problems.
As I stated, mindset (attitude) is the major stumbling block.
So all in all, considering oil, coal and gas will be with us for some time to come, it is potentially even important to invest in more efficient and cleaner ways to convert them into energy, than to pin all our hopes on nuclear or indeed renewables.
There's no conversion necessary, except for mindset and lifestyle. If people would bike to work, for example, then the energy demands would be far less than today and we wouldn't have to deal with smog. If people would compost and grow even just 50% of their own food then you Americans could decrease your pollution and consumption even further.
I don't understand why people want to live beyond their energy means and then start complaining when gas prices start rising.
enviro nuts are as clueless and naive
What is an "enviro nut"? Where are they, who are they, and how do you know they are clueless and naive? What school did they not go to?
The one nice thing about being a politician is that their is no experience necessary. In fact most politicians who get their first political job never had experience of being a politician before.
Just because scientists can be poor politicians
What scientists are politicians? And which one of those are poor?
Some are worried that Chu is not politically savvy enough
Politically savvy people don't make good politicians or bureaucrats, but unfortunately that's what they usually become.
Let's hope this is an appointment and not a popularity contest. If he's smart and he has the entitlement to succeed then things may go well.
In other words, if you use the word "addicted", that is proof you don't know WTF you're talking about.
Yes I do reply to Trolls and Flames.
Any "professional" who uses the word "abuse" shouldn't be working in the industry. It's a sign of ignorance and low intelligence.
BTW, I won't be replying to any of your other Trolls.
LWATCDR, handing out educational CDs is far more productive than gossiping, staring out of a window, or doodling. If a student happens to be figuring out an addition problem then they can always finish it off at lunch time. If they were playing with any of the toys in the classroom then they can always play with the toys later. Nothing is disrupted.
Any activity in the classroom that isn't part of the teachers plan is disruptive.
That doesn't make sense. What is the teacher's plan?
Do you think it is possible to give a demonstration of Linux and had out CDs in class and not disruptive?
Yes of course.
I mean really think about it.
OK, done.
So yeas she had every right to ask him to stop and take the CDs.
Incorrect.
And calling me (somewhat indirectly) sadistic or ignorant for explaining what is normal in my community is ironically ignorant on your part.
I wasn't calling you ignorant or sadistic. I was merely describing people who wish to do harm to children as ignorant and sadistic, because that has been my experience. This was my original complaint about the authoritarian nature of many teachers that I have met.
Of course winter with its snow can be fun, but when the whether becomes so cold as to not be fun or to be a danger then a serious issue arises when educated people (teachers) refuse to let children indoors to keep warm. Hypothermia can be induced above 10 Degrees Celcius (about 50 F) and at much higher temperatures if exposed to water. It's nothing to be taken lightly. I've had frost bite many times, and I've known or heard about people who have had hypothermia.
I'm using metric.
And I don't consider just barely getting below zero degC as cold.
Who cares? I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about people who do find 0 degrees Celsius cold, or even 10 degrees Celsius. It's stupid and sadistic to make children suffer no matter what you may consider to be cold. Though yes I'll admit, I've dealt with a lot of ignorant people who think being uncomfortable or even in pain is somehow noble or healthy.
I've even talked to people here on Slashdot that said playing dangerous sports that's likely to break bones is good, and they were proud of the fact that they had broken their bones when they were children. I'm not sure if they are just being Trolls or if they're as bizarre and stupid as they appear.
I'm just going to assume you're from a part of the world that isn't very cold
I don't now why you would assume this. I've already stated that we have sub-zero temperatures. In the winter it can very cold, and for about 4 to 5 months of the year frost byte and hypothermia are strong possibilities even for people wearing winter clothing.
I've had a teacher fired once. But I don't mean to sound tough.
The implication of your statement is the publication and possession of child porn should be legal.
There is no implications in my statement.
As to whether child pornography should be legal; yes it should be. Any normal non-fanatical, non-right wing person would agree.
Oh noes, the police are enforcing laws which limit my liberty to do whatever the fuck I want?!?!?!?! It's a police state!?!?!?! Bollocks.
Your response is typical ignorance. If you want immoral, draconian, hateful and authoritarian laws to ruin people's lives then you should move to North Korea.
To elaborate. The kid was apparently too embarrassed to tell his parents about it (my mom actually asked the kid why he wasn't in school, that's how she found out). Anyways my mom ended up telling the kids parents, and from what I heard the parents were quite upset at the school. So yeah, I'm sure they raised a bit of hell.
It's not just the movies. It's the news as well.
Suspension for being late for class is a fiscal issue.
1) First off the kid I'm talking about isn't American, so American rules don't apply.
2) Second this is not a fiscal issue nor should it be. Education is an educational issue. Forcing a person to not be in school merely hurts the child's education.
3) Using draconian forms of discipline solves nothing except to make children cynical and untrustful of the people who are supposed to be helping and supporting them.
4) "It's a tool to get the parents and the kid to make sure the kid gets there on time." It's a tool that doesn't work. Study's have been done on this issue; having punishments for lateness actually results in more lateness, though I would think educators would be educated about such issues. Market economic theory doesn't always work for social situations.
Perhaps I'm in the minority also
I hope so. Or maybe this is just the American way of schooling? Seems like metal detectors and security guards are OK but baseball bats are probably a security concern. I hope my overall impressions are wrong.
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UTW
I would suspect that most kids exposure to (school) operating systems would be similar to that which I see in our local libraries; you can point and click the applications that you need to write your essays and view white-listed content on the Internet. In other words I don't think it matters what operating systems children are exposed to because they will likely not have a chance to use them at any depth other than beginner level.
"There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." - Jeremy S. Anderson
Teachers have to have the right to confiscate property.
If that is true, then the laws need to be changed. Property should only be confiscated if it is being used in a dangerous or disruptive manner. Giving a teacher arbitrary and authoritarian rights only leads to abuse.