If you insist on not reading about what you are writing about, I cannot change that for you. You posted an article for the front page where your summary flat-out contradicted almost every word of the article that you were linking to. You have made numerous statements in discussion here that clearly demonstrate you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
If you want to stay away from slashdot until Tesla meets whatever concept you have of "profit", I think we would all be better for it.
I have seen the Model S. There is nothing about it that makes it stand out from the crowd, except the fact that it is electric.
Then I'm sorry about your profound visual impairment. It might explain why you couldn't read the article that you linked to in your story submission. I should probably salute you for making it this far while being somewhere in excess of being legally blind.
"See, I've got a Tesla Roadster." When you saw one, it was unique looking
Except that the Roadster has the same body as the more common Lotus Elise. You cannot easily tell the two apart unless they are being driven.
Considering that the Tesla Roadster had performance charateristics that were slightly subpar for that price class
You are either completely uninformed, or you are intentionally lying to try to save face. Neither looks good for you, though.
Those of us who live on planet earth know that the Tesla Roadster is at least as fast - if not faster - than Porsches that cost more.
I do not see how the Model S will not, also, have performance characteristics that are slightly subpar for that price class.
Sure, you could make that prediction if you insist on ignoring reality. I can't stop you from doing so.
Get back to me when Tesla turns a profit
We would thank you if you were to stay away from slashdot until then. For whatever your concept of "profit" is, anyways.
Actually, you did. In the summary, which you wrote since it sure as fuck wasn't in the article you linked to, you said
With this announcement they are saying that they did not sell enough of the Roadster to make producing it profitable.
Which is inaccurate on multiple levels, however you went on to say
If that is the case, it is only a matter of time until Tesla closes its doors.
Which is exactly what you just said you did not say.
Hence not only are you uninformed, you are lying about it. You could at least have enough conviction to stand by your baseless FUD when you are confronted with reality, but instead you are trying to weasel out of it. You should ride down with your sinking ship of crap and lies, but instead you're trying on a woman's dress in the hopes that you can get on a life boat without anyone recognizing you.
The Model S is nothing special, at its price point
Thank you for confirming yet again that you don't know anything about the Model S
I find it hard to believe that the Model S is competitive in performance at its price range
We already know you don't know anything about the Model S, you are only driving home the point now.
considering that the Roadster was barely competitive with cars of that price range
So you didn't know anything about the Roadster either, then. I'm glad to see you know samzenpus well enough that he will post meaningless and misinterpreted shit from you to the front page. You must be proud,
Which confirms you don't know jack shit about what you're talking about.
Perhaps I misunderstood their business plan
Indeed you did. But you're either an idiot or a hack, so that isn't a surprise that you didn't understand their business plan. Much like the article you linked to, you probably didn't read it.
now are switching to a car that is a much harder sell
The wait list that has been building for the Model S - and just like the Roadster you only get on the list with money down - indicates that you are wrong on this, too.
The model S is nothing special, except that it is electric.
So you don't know anything about the Model S, then. But that's OK since you don't know anything about Tesla's business plan that they've been very forthcoming with for years. That's OK, because you are clearly not the person they are interested in for an investor, or a customer.
Ah hah, are you the same idiot who misread (or just simply did not read) the article and got this total piece of garbage summary posted that directly contradicts the cited article?
Because what you're saying seems to indicate that indeed you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Tesla will be building a car that competes with $20,000 sedans and selling it for $58K
Simply no. The Model S is not designed to compete with $20k sedans. It is a $58k sedan designed to compete with $60k sedans. Can you find a $20k sedan that has the features and performance of the Model S? I'll save you the time; none exists. Not here, not anywhere else.
The Model S is going to be competing with several models from BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, and others
That might be the only accurate statement you've made.
I just don't see it.
Clearly, you don't. That's fine, you don't need to buy one. You are free to buy whatever car you like from any manufacturer you want. Hell you can skip cars altogether if you want, and use a bicycle or public transportation instead. You can hire a taxi if you want.
People who buy cars in that price range buy a car for performance, ride quality, or snob appeal.
All of which the Model S has in spades.
I don't see how the Model S makes it in that market.
Apparently then you've never seen or read the specs for the Model S. Sure, this is slashdot, but if you want to come across as being somehow knowledgeable, you might want to do some reading.
Now that they are discontinuing the Roadster, I cannot see any logic whereby the company will compete as a car manufacturer.
Look at the numbers that BMW, Jaguar, and Porsche turn out to stay solvent. You don't need to sell billions of cars to stay in business. You just need a product that people want to buy. As much as you want to hate it - in spite of the fact that you clearly don't know shit about it - there are plenty of people who are interested in it.
but I do not believe they will stick around as an automobile manufacturer.
In spite of the fact that you have provided no reason whatsoever to support that belief of yours. You even linked to an article that contradicts damned near everything you said - of course if you actually read the article you would have known that and perhaps cited a different one or just not sent this in.
The summary might be bombastic but I'm not sure the conclusion is not correct.
No, the summary is crap. The summary claims that the entire company is going to disintegrate this afternoon because they sold less than 500 quadrillion Roadsters.
Tesla is working on a different business model than the large manufacturers, largely because they are not a large manufacturer. They can't afford to do the R&D, retooling, and sales for a $30k car right now, they need to work their way to that price point.
The summary is the exact opposite of what is said in the story,is reported by everyone else, and even of what can be inferred through looking at Tesla's financials.
The editors do have the ability to go back and adjust the text of the summary. I've seen corrections before, though this one needs a correction of a rather enormous magnitude since barely anything in the summary is correct in any meaningful way.
Now make a RegularCar, that I can buy for 75k, and I'll have one in the driveway tomorrow
The actual article - which sadly the slashdot editor apparently made no attempt whatsoever to read in any way, shape, or form - says that is exactly what they are working on next.
Actually, they'll do you one better. The Tesla model S (for sedan) will start at $58k. Some details are in the article; you can get a 300 mile range version for around $80k. If you look up information on it, you can find prototype pictures, it looks like a Jaguar XJ or XF sedan of the current generation.
However, there is a wait list. You won't have it tomorrow, but if you go put some money down, you can have one when one is ready for you.
Tesla is not closing or going away. Some idiot here at slashdot didn't bother to read the linked article. If they had, they would realize that this is not the end for Tesla as a company, just the end of a vehicle that was too expensive for many people to buy.
Furthermore, anyone who knows anything about Tesla knows that this has been part of their plan for some time. Build a roadster to get the technology working - and to show to the public that it really is as good as claimed - and then discontinue it to focus on a family sedan. Their first car achieved brand recognition and proof of concept, while bringing in investors. Now they are retooling and setting up a new shop to show that they can make it work on a larger scale.
Unfortunately, they have already sold out in part to a traditional auto maker, so how far they will be able to go unhindered is anyone's guess.
Doesn't make any sense if you read the linked article.
From TFA:
Tesla Motors (TSLA) will stop taking orders for the car in the U.S. in about two months as the carmaker focuses on its Model S electric sedan
Further:
the two seat Tesla Roadster sports car was never intended to be a huge seller. Tesla reported sales of 1,650 Roadsters worldwide by the end of April, 2011.
And
Tesla's next big thing: Tesla's roadster production is coming to halt as the maker of battery-powered cars switches its focus to the upcoming Model S electric sedan.
There is absolutely no indication in the provided article that Tesla is going away. They are just stopping the roadster so they can focus on a new car, which was part of their long-term plan some time ago.
In other words, things are going as planned for Tesla. People claiming this is the end of the company are just spouting FUD for whatever reason.
You're still using the company's phone time when you're sitting in their menu. Someone should design a system that takes the most obfuscated path through the menu possible, just so that the call costs more money to the company you're calling. Perhaps set it up to spend 5 or more minutes going back and forth needlessly through menus, just to drive up their costs so that they aren't saving money with the menu system anymore?
It isn't that far from what I've done to some unwelcomed telemarketers. If they leave me a voicemail with a callback number, I'll call that number anytime I find a payphone, and waste their time as much as possible just to drive up their costs.
I earlier had an encounter with an AC troll, who would ignore reality and likely to try to respond with links to irrelevant AC posts.
Nonetheless, I showed that your google link was wrong. You can go ahead and do the right search, and you'll find I have nothing to do with tomhudson's trolltalk.com. I have nothing else to say in response.
Your google-fu is no good. When you want to search a domain for a string on google, you need "site:" to be followed immediately by that domain. You errantly inserted a space after the colon, which then caused google to do a massive or search between the strings "your-least-favorite-slashdot-name", "site:", and "trolltalk.com".
If you drop that extra space, and rerun the search, you will find that neither my slashdot name, nor that of countertrolling, occur on trolltalk.com.
I have no idea how that comment is trolling. I pointed out how selling gTLDs creates a new bonanza of opportunity for spammers, and puts a little money into the pockets of the profiteering bastards who run ICANN. Did someone with a strong pro-ICANN slant (I didn't know any such people - outside of ICANN employees - existed) see the comment and moderate it down in retaliation?
It seems like crappy moderation to me. Bad moderator, bad bad bad.
With a $1 bill, vending machines would only need to accept notes, and should accept higher denominations too.
I can tell you from experience that dollar bills and vending machines seldom get along well. I usually sort the $1 bills in my wallet by grade, in case I should find myself needing one for a vending machine, as wrinkled/torn/wet/ugly bills often don't go through the machines well.
As an American who frequently crosses the Canadian border, I can tell you I find the loonies and toonies to be a superior way to manage small amounts of money. Of course I tend to do a lot of my purchases on plastic anyways, so it doesn't matter all that much...
Canada dumped the dollar bill in favor of coins of the same denomination. We talk about it in the US - just like we said back in the 60s that we would switch to the metric system - and never actually do it.
The mechanism they just approved for selling gTLDs also has a built-in mechanism that basically excludes spammers from any responsibility, ever, if they are associated with a new gTLD in any way, shape, or form.
For example, say your favorite spammer registers ".pillz". Of course, you'll blacklist that in your email program but that doesn't matter because they'll spoof the email headers so it looks like it came from your own domain, or google, or anywhere else they want. You can try to filter your email for spamvertised addresses in the ".pillz" gTLD but that doesn't matter because of course the email will instead link to a.com with a redirect, or a tinyurl or whatever else they like to obfuscate the spamvertised domain.
So how does the gTLD help them? Well, once you buy a gTLD, you become your own registration body. You can sell and register as many domains under your gTLD as you want, and you don't have to share the registration data with anyone, just the status and the IP that it resolves to (if any). So spammers can register new domains faster than you can find them, and they never have to worry about losing them. They can buy just one.com domain from someone else, and just have it redirect so they have the.com they want and the spam-sponsored gTLD-derived domain they need.
In short, we previously had almost nothing in terms of mechanisms for shutting down spamming and spamvertised domains. ICANN just sold those mechanisms and now we have nothing.
Chinese wages are increasing 12% per year, while real wages in the US are decreasing every year. Soon it won't matter whether or not China buys us out, because we won't be able to afford their products anyways.
Slashdot Mirror
If you insist on not reading about what you are writing about, I cannot change that for you. You posted an article for the front page where your summary flat-out contradicted almost every word of the article that you were linking to. You have made numerous statements in discussion here that clearly demonstrate you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
If you want to stay away from slashdot until Tesla meets whatever concept you have of "profit", I think we would all be better for it.
I have seen the Model S. There is nothing about it that makes it stand out from the crowd, except the fact that it is electric.
Then I'm sorry about your profound visual impairment. It might explain why you couldn't read the article that you linked to in your story submission. I should probably salute you for making it this far while being somewhere in excess of being legally blind.
"See, I've got a Tesla Roadster." When you saw one, it was unique looking
Except that the Roadster has the same body as the more common Lotus Elise. You cannot easily tell the two apart unless they are being driven.
Considering that the Tesla Roadster had performance charateristics that were slightly subpar for that price class
You are either completely uninformed, or you are intentionally lying to try to save face. Neither looks good for you, though.
Those of us who live on planet earth know that the Tesla Roadster is at least as fast - if not faster - than Porsches that cost more.
I do not see how the Model S will not, also, have performance characteristics that are slightly subpar for that price class.
Sure, you could make that prediction if you insist on ignoring reality. I can't stop you from doing so.
Get back to me when Tesla turns a profit
We would thank you if you were to stay away from slashdot until then. For whatever your concept of "profit" is, anyways.
I said it was only a matter of time before they close their doors, not that they were closing
There is no important difference between those two statements. Forecasting the closure to be imminent is the same as saying they are closing.
I did not say they were closing
Actually, you did. In the summary, which you wrote since it sure as fuck wasn't in the article you linked to, you said
With this announcement they are saying that they did not sell enough of the Roadster to make producing it profitable.
Which is inaccurate on multiple levels, however you went on to say
If that is the case, it is only a matter of time until Tesla closes its doors.
Which is exactly what you just said you did not say.
Hence not only are you uninformed, you are lying about it. You could at least have enough conviction to stand by your baseless FUD when you are confronted with reality, but instead you are trying to weasel out of it. You should ride down with your sinking ship of crap and lies, but instead you're trying on a woman's dress in the hopes that you can get on a life boat without anyone recognizing you.
The Model S is nothing special, at its price point
Thank you for confirming yet again that you don't know anything about the Model S
I find it hard to believe that the Model S is competitive in performance at its price range
We already know you don't know anything about the Model S, you are only driving home the point now.
considering that the Roadster was barely competitive with cars of that price range
So you didn't know anything about the Roadster either, then. I'm glad to see you know samzenpus well enough that he will post meaningless and misinterpreted shit from you to the front page. You must be proud,
I said their business model had failed
Which confirms you don't know jack shit about what you're talking about.
Perhaps I misunderstood their business plan
Indeed you did. But you're either an idiot or a hack, so that isn't a surprise that you didn't understand their business plan. Much like the article you linked to, you probably didn't read it.
now are switching to a car that is a much harder sell
The wait list that has been building for the Model S - and just like the Roadster you only get on the list with money down - indicates that you are wrong on this, too.
The model S is nothing special, except that it is electric.
So you don't know anything about the Model S, then. But that's OK since you don't know anything about Tesla's business plan that they've been very forthcoming with for years. That's OK, because you are clearly not the person they are interested in for an investor, or a customer.
Because what you're saying seems to indicate that indeed you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Tesla will be building a car that competes with $20,000 sedans and selling it for $58K
Simply no. The Model S is not designed to compete with $20k sedans. It is a $58k sedan designed to compete with $60k sedans. Can you find a $20k sedan that has the features and performance of the Model S? I'll save you the time; none exists. Not here, not anywhere else.
The Model S is going to be competing with several models from BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, and others
That might be the only accurate statement you've made.
I just don't see it.
Clearly, you don't. That's fine, you don't need to buy one. You are free to buy whatever car you like from any manufacturer you want. Hell you can skip cars altogether if you want, and use a bicycle or public transportation instead. You can hire a taxi if you want.
People who buy cars in that price range buy a car for performance, ride quality, or snob appeal.
All of which the Model S has in spades.
I don't see how the Model S makes it in that market.
Apparently then you've never seen or read the specs for the Model S. Sure, this is slashdot, but if you want to come across as being somehow knowledgeable, you might want to do some reading.
Now that they are discontinuing the Roadster, I cannot see any logic whereby the company will compete as a car manufacturer.
Look at the numbers that BMW, Jaguar, and Porsche turn out to stay solvent. You don't need to sell billions of cars to stay in business. You just need a product that people want to buy. As much as you want to hate it - in spite of the fact that you clearly don't know shit about it - there are plenty of people who are interested in it.
but I do not believe they will stick around as an automobile manufacturer.
In spite of the fact that you have provided no reason whatsoever to support that belief of yours. You even linked to an article that contradicts damned near everything you said - of course if you actually read the article you would have known that and perhaps cited a different one or just not sent this in.
The summary might be bombastic but I'm not sure the conclusion is not correct.
No, the summary is crap. The summary claims that the entire company is going to disintegrate this afternoon because they sold less than 500 quadrillion Roadsters.
Tesla is working on a different business model than the large manufacturers, largely because they are not a large manufacturer. They can't afford to do the R&D, retooling, and sales for a $30k car right now, they need to work their way to that price point.
Are the Slashdot editors pissed off because Tesla doesn't accept bitcoins for their cars?
Why would that matter? It's not like townhall.com pays slashdot in bitcoins anyways...
Even on Slashdot, though, there's only so much spin you can get away with without people noticing.
Correct. If he would have blamed the "failure" on President Obama, it would have gotten through with even less scrutiny.
I thought I had seen a craptacular job by this hack before, and indeed, back in 2009 we saw a completely inaccurate front-page story posted by him where he didn't bother to read the article that he linked to.
But apparently on the front page, FUD sells, eh?
The summary is the exact opposite of what is said in the story,is reported by everyone else, and even of what can be inferred through looking at Tesla's financials.
The editors do have the ability to go back and adjust the text of the summary. I've seen corrections before, though this one needs a correction of a rather enormous magnitude since barely anything in the summary is correct in any meaningful way.
Now make a RegularCar, that I can buy for 75k, and I'll have one in the driveway tomorrow
The actual article - which sadly the slashdot editor apparently made no attempt whatsoever to read in any way, shape, or form - says that is exactly what they are working on next.
Actually, they'll do you one better. The Tesla model S (for sedan) will start at $58k. Some details are in the article; you can get a 300 mile range version for around $80k. If you look up information on it, you can find prototype pictures, it looks like a Jaguar XJ or XF sedan of the current generation.
However, there is a wait list. You won't have it tomorrow, but if you go put some money down, you can have one when one is ready for you.
Tesla is not closing or going away. Some idiot here at slashdot didn't bother to read the linked article. If they had, they would realize that this is not the end for Tesla as a company, just the end of a vehicle that was too expensive for many people to buy.
Furthermore, anyone who knows anything about Tesla knows that this has been part of their plan for some time. Build a roadster to get the technology working - and to show to the public that it really is as good as claimed - and then discontinue it to focus on a family sedan. Their first car achieved brand recognition and proof of concept, while bringing in investors. Now they are retooling and setting up a new shop to show that they can make it work on a larger scale.
Unfortunately, they have already sold out in part to a traditional auto maker, so how far they will be able to go unhindered is anyone's guess.
it is a shame that Tesla has failed
Doesn't make any sense if you read the linked article.
From TFA:
Tesla Motors (TSLA) will stop taking orders for the car in the U.S. in about two months as the carmaker focuses on its Model S electric sedan
Further:
the two seat Tesla Roadster sports car was never intended to be a huge seller. Tesla reported sales of 1,650 Roadsters worldwide by the end of April, 2011.
And
Tesla's next big thing: Tesla's roadster production is coming to halt as the maker of battery-powered cars switches its focus to the upcoming Model S electric sedan.
There is absolutely no indication in the provided article that Tesla is going away. They are just stopping the roadster so they can focus on a new car, which was part of their long-term plan some time ago.
In other words, things are going as planned for Tesla. People claiming this is the end of the company are just spouting FUD for whatever reason.
You're still using the company's phone time when you're sitting in their menu. Someone should design a system that takes the most obfuscated path through the menu possible, just so that the call costs more money to the company you're calling. Perhaps set it up to spend 5 or more minutes going back and forth needlessly through menus, just to drive up their costs so that they aren't saving money with the menu system anymore?
It isn't that far from what I've done to some unwelcomed telemarketers. If they leave me a voicemail with a callback number, I'll call that number anytime I find a payphone, and waste their time as much as possible just to drive up their costs.
250 billion minutes were wasted playing absurd games
200 billion minutes were used searching for information and pictures on Anthony Weiner
205 billion minutes were used downloading the latest version of the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool.
I earlier had an encounter with an AC troll, who would ignore reality and likely to try to respond with links to irrelevant AC posts.
Nonetheless, I showed that your google link was wrong. You can go ahead and do the right search, and you'll find I have nothing to do with tomhudson's trolltalk.com. I have nothing else to say in response.
Your google-fu is no good. When you want to search a domain for a string on google, you need "site:" to be followed immediately by that domain. You errantly inserted a space after the colon, which then caused google to do a massive or search between the strings "your-least-favorite-slashdot-name", "site:", and "trolltalk.com".
If you drop that extra space, and rerun the search, you will find that neither my slashdot name, nor that of countertrolling, occur on trolltalk.com.
But thanks for playing!
I have no idea how that comment is trolling. I pointed out how selling gTLDs creates a new bonanza of opportunity for spammers, and puts a little money into the pockets of the profiteering bastards who run ICANN. Did someone with a strong pro-ICANN slant (I didn't know any such people - outside of ICANN employees - existed) see the comment and moderate it down in retaliation?
It seems like crappy moderation to me. Bad moderator, bad bad bad.
With a $1 bill, vending machines would only need to accept notes, and should accept higher denominations too.
I can tell you from experience that dollar bills and vending machines seldom get along well. I usually sort the $1 bills in my wallet by grade, in case I should find myself needing one for a vending machine, as wrinkled/torn/wet/ugly bills often don't go through the machines well.
As an American who frequently crosses the Canadian border, I can tell you I find the loonies and toonies to be a superior way to manage small amounts of money. Of course I tend to do a lot of my purchases on plastic anyways, so it doesn't matter all that much...
Canada dumped the dollar bill in favor of coins of the same denomination. We talk about it in the US - just like we said back in the 60s that we would switch to the metric system - and never actually do it.
The mechanism they just approved for selling gTLDs also has a built-in mechanism that basically excludes spammers from any responsibility, ever, if they are associated with a new gTLD in any way, shape, or form.
.com with a redirect, or a tinyurl or whatever else they like to obfuscate the spamvertised domain.
.com domain from someone else, and just have it redirect so they have the .com they want and the spam-sponsored gTLD-derived domain they need.
For example, say your favorite spammer registers ".pillz". Of course, you'll blacklist that in your email program but that doesn't matter because they'll spoof the email headers so it looks like it came from your own domain, or google, or anywhere else they want. You can try to filter your email for spamvertised addresses in the ".pillz" gTLD but that doesn't matter because of course the email will instead link to a
So how does the gTLD help them? Well, once you buy a gTLD, you become your own registration body. You can sell and register as many domains under your gTLD as you want, and you don't have to share the registration data with anyone, just the status and the IP that it resolves to (if any). So spammers can register new domains faster than you can find them, and they never have to worry about losing them. They can buy just one
In short, we previously had almost nothing in terms of mechanisms for shutting down spamming and spamvertised domains. ICANN just sold those mechanisms and now we have nothing.
I can't think of anything digital in a 69 Beetle. From the sounds of it I'd be surprised if he even had an AM radio in there.
Chinese wages are increasing 12% per year, while real wages in the US are decreasing every year. Soon it won't matter whether or not China buys us out, because we won't be able to afford their products anyways.