Err - Fedora is a child of Red Hat i.e. of Red Hat Package Management (RPM) fame, and neither does it use APT, it uses the Yellow Dog Update Manager YUM , I wonder if you are confusing Fedora with Debian or perhaps Ubuntu which I believe does use APT, but one thing I do know after moving from Suse 10.1 with its nightmare Zen Updater; (I'm not blaming YAST though) Fedora 7 is pure poetry. We all have our favourites but after installing Fedora 7 (KDE) on half a dozen boxes and a couple of laptops for ex-Win$ Users it has proved itself a genuine contender for the hearts and minds of the Home User Desktop.
Ten Years ? I think you should take a look at this: http://www.ni.com/niweek/keynotevideos.htm [ni.com] link posted on/. by SparahawkA a couple of days ago.
You need to choose Tuesday of the menu box top right and scroll down to the last item 'Algorithm Engineering"
Time for the Tinfoil Fedora I think ! J7
It seemed like a good idea to try Opera out; I use FX on Fedora 7, the first thing that began to turn me off was when I found it was proprietary, the second when it displayed my Distro as Fedora Core 7 (if they don't see the error what else don't they notice) the third when it put up an End User Lousy Agreement (shiver) and last when I had to search my system to remove the Installation files I could identify one by one. Neither could I find any reference to Flash Media Plug-ins etc in their site info, maybe I didn't spend enough time looking, but maybe not.
J7
I seem to live in a strange world of enlightened/.ers continually advancing the Gnu Linux cause in every other comment (which I absolutely approve of by the way) and a real world which doesn't even appear to be aware of any of it! Yesterday I had two reps from Virgin Media who had come to try and sell me on changing my existing 4Meg Cable badwidth for a much broader 20Meg and some other phone and TV package enhancements, my Machine was on and currently displaying one of the really stunning Linux Screen Savers (Fedora 7). The two reps decided they wanted me to test my current speed, and first asked me to Open Explorer? "Can't" I replied smugly "I don't use Windoze". Oh we get it they replied "It's a Mac","No" I replied "This is Fedora Linux, you know a Free Open Source OS". They glanced at each other, shrugged and said "Never heard of it and we don't support it at all, "YOU must have put that on, because none of our operatives would have installed our broadband on something like that" and the conversation was toned down dramatically and they both left a short time later in a cloud of puzzlement and suspicious backward glances. I would love to see everyone come to their senses and shred their M$ disks but if I am honest with myself I can't see it happening in the near future.
Although water is it's Achilles heel at the moment, there's no water in space, so this material could likely benefit the exterior surfaces of spacecraft or stations etc. immensely even in its current form.
The Video Downloader is a Java Plugin for Firefox, and it works fine with Suse 10.2 & Fedora 7, so I would think it is pretty much globally Linux compatible. Sorry if I'm off the beam a bit.
J7
I know it's a bit off topic but isn't it an odd coincidence that the number of alleged patent infringements is exactly the same as the atomic weight of the Fissionable Uranium Isotope eg. 235 (for making Atom Bombs etc)!
J7
I have been building PC's for Ordinary People since the first 286's without HDD's and with memory measured in Kilobytes, I have installed many different operating systems and done a little programing, but I do not claim to be Guru or even one of the sharpest tools in the box, I use a dual
boot with Suse 10.1 and XP. I have been using Linux & Windows through many reincarnations & I love the philosophy behind Linux and would prefer to use only Linux, but as has been pointed out by many other folks here, it's just not practical or possible, because I simply don't have the time, energy or required level of technical expertise to struggle with Linux, and sadly most ordinary (non Geek) folks who form the vast majority of the general public are the same. They either use computers at work; in which case they often don't want to know about computers at home, or like the majority of my customers; they use their machines for leisure purposes, including Video, Photography, Music, Games, Writing letters or doing their Family Trees and other more personalised tasks. The problem is not one of these people (except myself) in all of the years I have been building and
looking after them (Software too) has ever had any interest whatsoever in the Operating System or how it works, they just want to Print their Birthday cards & play Mahjong or Patience (sigh) and not have to even think about whether they have the correct Dynamic Library Link files installed, let alone struggling with dependencies! I also agree with many other posters here about the obscurity of Names in Linux but by far the worst problem is the muddy waters of the Linux OS, I have dished out lots of free Live CD's for Ubuntu, Mepis, Suse and numerous others to try and persuade people to at least take a look but only one person (aged 67) has so far gone as far as installing a Dual and he often spends hours on the telephone simply trying to find out how to install "Google Earth" for example; I suspect most people reading this will be muttering 'That is so simple, you just....' but for a huge portion of the population it's not simple, or at least not as simple as 'click Install.exe'. Linux users tend to be elitist and obscure with advice to Newbies, responses ranging from pained condescending tolerance to open hostility, and oh dear ; the in fighting and flame wars! Linux users are very passionate about their OS's and will fight to the death over who has the best package manager ! whereas any of my Windoze users just don't know or even remotely care for that matter; 'which version of Explorer' or anything else they are using, so long as it works and doesn't bother them with anything.
I have Suse 10.1 on an Athlon 64 machine with a Rad X850XT card and recently ran into the, No Flash 64bit Driver Plugin problem, (no sound on youtube etc) my system was in a mess with some 32bit libraries, some 64 and many patches and fixes to make things work (not very well), so I decided to forgo the advantages of 64bit for the usability of 32 and reinstall my OS in pure 32bit, I had an awful lot of problems with Suse package managment and was highly suspicious of this new Faustian agreement between Novel and M$, so I had a look around and liked the aura of Debian (Apt in particular), so I aquired the latest stable Etch Distro and proceeded to install, I arrived at the final stage of the install, the PC re-started, failed to recognise my Graphics Card correctly or even which port it was using, and defaulted to the Command Prompt, I spent about four hours trying to find out whether anyone else had hit this problem then decided to file a bug report, but the procedure would have taken up another hour or two and there were no guarantees I would find any answers, so I reluctantly cleaned Debian off and re-installed Suse! I simply can not afford the down time to try and sort it out. The question is what would your average Joe have done ? Answer, realised they were in too deep at the first error, and flew back to the welcoming arms of M$.
Another problem with the Distro's
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Err - Fedora is a child of Red Hat i.e. of Red Hat Package Management (RPM) fame, and neither does it use APT, it uses the Yellow Dog Update Manager YUM , I wonder if you are confusing Fedora with Debian or perhaps Ubuntu which I believe does use APT, but one thing I do know after moving from Suse 10.1 with its nightmare Zen Updater; (I'm not blaming YAST though) Fedora 7 is pure poetry. We all have our favourites but after installing Fedora 7 (KDE) on half a dozen boxes and a couple of laptops for ex-Win$ Users it has proved itself a genuine contender for the hearts and minds of the Home User Desktop.
Ten Years ? I think you should take a look at this: http://www.ni.com/niweek/keynotevideos.htm [ni.com] link posted on /. by SparahawkA a couple of days ago.
You need to choose Tuesday of the menu box top right and scroll down to the last item 'Algorithm Engineering"
Time for the Tinfoil Fedora I think ! J7
It seemed like a good idea to try Opera out; I use FX on Fedora 7, the first thing that began to turn me off was when I found it was proprietary, the second when it displayed my Distro as Fedora Core 7 (if they don't see the error what else don't they notice) the third when it put up an End User Lousy Agreement (shiver) and last when I had to search my system to remove the Installation files I could identify one by one. Neither could I find any reference to Flash Media Plug-ins etc in their site info, maybe I didn't spend enough time looking, but maybe not.
J7
I seem to live in a strange world of enlightened /.ers continually advancing the Gnu Linux cause in every other comment (which I absolutely approve of by the way) and a real world which doesn't even appear to be aware of any of it! Yesterday I had two reps from Virgin Media who had come to try and sell me on changing my existing 4Meg Cable badwidth for a much broader 20Meg and some other phone and TV package enhancements, my Machine was on and currently displaying one of the really stunning Linux Screen Savers (Fedora 7). The two reps decided they wanted me to test my current speed, and first asked me to Open Explorer? "Can't" I replied smugly "I don't use Windoze". Oh we get it they replied "It's a Mac","No" I replied "This is Fedora Linux, you know a Free Open Source OS". They glanced at each other, shrugged and said "Never heard of it and we don't support it at all, "YOU must have put that on, because none of our operatives would have installed our broadband on something like that" and the conversation was toned down dramatically and they both left a short time later in a cloud of puzzlement and suspicious backward glances. I would love to see everyone come to their senses and shred their M$ disks but if I am honest with myself I can't see it happening in the near future.
Although water is it's Achilles heel at the moment, there's no water in space, so this material could likely benefit the exterior surfaces of spacecraft or stations etc. immensely even in its current form.
The Video Downloader is a Java Plugin for Firefox, and it works fine with Suse 10.2 & Fedora 7, so I would think it is pretty much globally Linux compatible. Sorry if I'm off the beam a bit.
J7
Err.. anyone seen this little titbit ? http://blog.lobby4linux.com/index.php?/archives/91 -OK,-Heads-Up-Linux,-Youre-on-in-5..4..3..2-cue-mu sic....html
I know it's a bit off topic but isn't it an odd coincidence that the number of alleged patent infringements is exactly the same as the atomic weight of the Fissionable Uranium Isotope eg. 235 (for making Atom Bombs etc)!
J7
I have been building PC's for Ordinary People since the first 286's without HDD's and with memory measured in Kilobytes, I have installed many different operating systems and done a little programing, but I do not claim to be Guru or even one of the sharpest tools in the box, I use a dual boot with Suse 10.1 and XP. I have been using Linux & Windows through many reincarnations & I love the philosophy behind Linux and would prefer to use only Linux, but as has been pointed out by many other folks here, it's just not practical or possible, because I simply don't have the time, energy or required level of technical expertise to struggle with Linux, and sadly most ordinary (non Geek) folks who form the vast majority of the general public are the same. They either use computers at work; in which case they often don't want to know about computers at home, or like the majority of my customers; they use their machines for leisure purposes, including Video, Photography, Music, Games, Writing letters or doing their Family Trees and other more personalised tasks. The problem is not one of these people (except myself) in all of the years I have been building and looking after them (Software too) has ever had any interest whatsoever in the Operating System or how it works, they just want to Print their Birthday cards & play Mahjong or Patience (sigh) and not have to even think about whether they have the correct Dynamic Library Link files installed, let alone struggling with dependencies! I also agree with many other posters here about the obscurity of Names in Linux but by far the worst problem is the muddy waters of the Linux OS, I have dished out lots of free Live CD's for Ubuntu, Mepis, Suse and numerous others to try and persuade people to at least take a look but only one person (aged 67) has so far gone as far as installing a Dual and he often spends hours on the telephone simply trying to find out how to install "Google Earth" for example; I suspect most people reading this will be muttering 'That is so simple, you just ....' but for a huge portion of the population it's not simple, or at least not as simple as 'click Install.exe'. Linux users tend to be elitist and obscure with advice to Newbies, responses ranging from pained condescending tolerance to open hostility, and oh dear ; the in fighting and flame wars! Linux users are very passionate about their OS's and will fight to the death over who has the best package manager ! whereas any of my Windoze users just don't know or even remotely care for that matter; 'which version of Explorer' or anything else they are using, so long as it works and doesn't bother them with anything.
I have Suse 10.1 on an Athlon 64 machine with a Rad X850XT card and recently ran into the, No Flash 64bit Driver Plugin problem, (no sound on youtube etc) my system was in a mess with some 32bit libraries, some 64 and many patches and fixes to make things work (not very well), so I decided to forgo the advantages of 64bit for the usability of 32 and reinstall my OS in pure 32bit, I had an awful lot of problems with Suse package managment and was highly suspicious of this new Faustian agreement between Novel and M$, so I had a look around and liked the aura of Debian (Apt in particular), so I aquired the latest stable Etch Distro and proceeded to install, I arrived at the final stage of the install, the PC re-started, failed to recognise my Graphics Card correctly or even which port it was using, and defaulted to the Command Prompt, I spent about four hours trying to find out whether anyone else had hit this problem then decided to file a bug report, but the procedure would have taken up another hour or two and there were no guarantees I would find any answers, so I reluctantly cleaned Debian off and re-installed Suse! I simply can not afford the down time to try and sort it out. The question is what would your average Joe have done ? Answer, realised they were in too deep at the first error, and flew back to the welcoming arms of M$.
Another problem with the Distro's