Where do you see the word "eye candy" in the line below?
"His stated goal was a system in which "every frame is perfect, by which I mean that applications will be able to control the rendering enough that we'll never see tearing, lag, redrawing or flicker.""
This has NOTHING to do with eye candy, it's all about rendering graphics correctly in Linux, it's about eliminating flicker/redrawing issues like the ones I have with X right now.
How is eliminating flicker/lag/tearing not an improvement?
It is precisely for this kind of attitude that Linux sucks today on the desktop and one of the reasons why the average person doesn't want to use it, because of instead of embracing progress we complain at the people who wants to enhance things. How about being less close-minded?
"It's stupid. It's basically throwing away _the_ biggest advantage of the linux desktop"
Yeah right, like if the Linux desktop is used by most of the world population, and like if the people who want to have a nice desktop and browse the web are interested to run their applications remotely. Get off of your mother basement and face the reality. Linux will never succeed with that abomination called Xorg. A change is needed and welcome, and that is Wayland.
Also GTK3 already has a HTML5 backend that allows you to send GTK to a browser, and more backends for network transparency could be added to toolkits like Qt/GTK.
Then go and use an old distro with X, because not everyone wants to be stuck with old technology and we won't hold progress for you and other few retards who can't move on.
Nobody is screwing everything, you might be able to run a virtual machine for your old OS and code, and for the network transparency, well, you can just run SPICE/RDP with Wayland and redirect single windows or the entire desktop over the network. Wayland is a big win for Linux.
PulseAudio can send audio over the network, just Google it or ask in #pulseaudio. And Wayland is a good thing for Linux, we'll finally have a desktop that doesn't tear or flicker like X does, removing that cruft called X is a good thing, and KDE gets it, that's why they are doing this. Just ask Aaron Seigo and the other KDE developers how they exposed bugs in X by developing Plasma or what a pain they had to suffer developing a next generation compositing environment and desktop shell in X.
Wayland will be able to use SPICE and RDP protocols for network transparency. Don't worry.
This functionality will be possible with networking protocols like RDP and SPICE. Don't worry, Wayland will use them and network transparency will be possible just like in X.
I agree with you completely. We need a change and Wayland will do only do good to us. I also hate configuring Xorg with that shitty xorg.conf file. Wayland will be able to reconfigure all by itself I think, since it will use KMS.
No, you don't get it. Wayland isn't about adding a "feature". It's about having a clean foundation that will be useful for now and the future. X is showing its age.
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You know you can turn off these desktop effects if you don't like, at least in KDE4 (kwin), and still have a double buffered desktop right?
Seriously, trolling much?
Haters gonna hate, just ignore them, they might as well go and use Windows 3.11.
It's regress only if you don't know any better. For the rest of us, who want a better, modern display system, it's a huge progress.
Same here, please someone upvote. Wayland FTW.
Where do you see the word "eye candy" in the line below?
"His stated goal was a system in which "every frame is perfect, by which I mean that applications will be able to control the rendering enough that we'll never see tearing, lag, redrawing or flicker.""
This has NOTHING to do with eye candy, it's all about rendering graphics correctly in Linux, it's about eliminating flicker/redrawing issues like the ones I have with X right now.
How is eliminating flicker/lag/tearing not an improvement?
It is precisely for this kind of attitude that Linux sucks today on the desktop and one of the reasons why the average person doesn't want to use it, because of instead of embracing progress we complain at the people who wants to enhance things. How about being less close-minded?
"It's stupid. It's basically throwing away _the_ biggest advantage of the linux desktop"
Yeah right, like if the Linux desktop is used by most of the world population, and like if the people who want to have a nice desktop and browse the web are interested to run their applications remotely. Get off of your mother basement and face the reality. Linux will never succeed with that abomination called Xorg. A change is needed and welcome, and that is Wayland.
It's about damn time, I can't wait to run KDE on Wayland, and most apps for that matter (mplayer, vlc, etc). Without any X at all.
Also GTK3 already has a HTML5 backend that allows you to send GTK to a browser, and more backends for network transparency could be added to toolkits like Qt/GTK.
Fail is your comment.
You will get network transparency if you want if you run Wayland with RDP/SPICE/whatever-network-transparency-protocol you want.
Agreed. I can't wait to use KDE on Wayland.
Then go and use an old distro with X, because not everyone wants to be stuck with old technology and we won't hold progress for you and other few retards who can't move on.
Judging by how you write, the moron here is you.
Nobody is screwing everything, you might be able to run a virtual machine for your old OS and code, and for the network transparency, well, you can just run SPICE/RDP with Wayland and redirect single windows or the entire desktop over the network. Wayland is a big win for Linux.
I'm sure Wayland will do much well there and everywhere else than X11. Wayland is a lot more minimal.
How about SPICE or RDP?
PulseAudio can send audio over the network, just Google it or ask in #pulseaudio. And Wayland is a good thing for Linux, we'll finally have a desktop that doesn't tear or flicker like X does, removing that cruft called X is a good thing, and KDE gets it, that's why they are doing this. Just ask Aaron Seigo and the other KDE developers how they exposed bugs in X by developing Plasma or what a pain they had to suffer developing a next generation compositing environment and desktop shell in X.
Wayland will be able to use SPICE and RDP protocols for network transparency. Don't worry.
This functionality will be possible with networking protocols like RDP and SPICE. Don't worry, Wayland will use them and network transparency will be possible just like in X.
We realize how powerful network transparency is, and it will be possible with Wayland and RDP/SPICE, and similar protocols.
Wayland isn't about wobbly windows. It's about using resources efficiently.
I agree, a change will only do good to Linux as well, we need Wayland.
How about SPICE? I'm sure Wayland will be able to use both SPICE/RDP.
Wayland will be able to use SPICE/RDP, etc, allowing you to redirect single windows and the full desktop across the network.
a xorg.conf is still needed these days with current Xorg, just look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ or something like that.
I agree with you completely. We need a change and Wayland will do only do good to us. I also hate configuring Xorg with that shitty xorg.conf file. Wayland will be able to reconfigure all by itself I think, since it will use KMS.
No, you don't get it. Wayland isn't about adding a "feature". It's about having a clean foundation that will be useful for now and the future. X is showing its age.