In any case, don't complain if your municipality doesn't get enough federal funding for your pet service, as each withheld census form takes away thousands of dollars from the budget.
BS and Double BS - they backstop the census results with other data, such as drivers' licenses, tax returns, the permanent electoral list, medicare records, etc., AND they already know that a certain portion of the population will NOT fill in the forms, and add the appropriate "fudge factor."
Don't be so quick to go "OMG if you don't fill it in you're costing everyone money!!!" Only the most naive statisticians would depend on raw census data.
They already have all this information, sans the "ethnicicity" info, in their current records (unemployment claims, etc). If an area is hard-hit by job losses, why should the people's skin colour make a difference?
I just couldn't believe that it was even sent out. Isn't it illegal for government to ask me what my religion is? I mean, it wasn't, "Which school board would you like your taxes to go to." It was, "You must affirm to whether or not you are Roman Catholic."
The sad part - a LOT of people believe that they have to reply one way or the other. "It's the law" or some such shit. So they unknowingly get rooked into paying to support another generation of paedophiles (for the RC church surtax) or a school system they may be in total disagreement with...
Interesting tie-in... there's a private french roman-catholic-based high school that no longer teaches anything about WW2. We couldn't believe there are adults here in their late 20's who have no knowledge whatsoever of the Nazis, the Holocaust, etc. But they sure know that "the jews killed baby jeebus". The current pope would feel right at home.
Just "plain ole white folks" who are too chicken-shit to stand up for what makes this country decent.
I was really interested in what you had to say, but then your own racial generalization kind of turned me off...
I was pointing out that it is the government who is selectively enforcing the census based on skin colour and ancestry. BTW, anyone who is won't stand up against the government when the government's policies are wrong deserves the chickenshit label, no matter what their skin colour.
Everyone is equal in and before the law. That's in our constitution. That the government not only selectively enforces the laws of the land, but does so in some cases based on perceived "race" or skin colour, or who your parents were, or your sex or gender, is wrong, unjust, and illegal.
I always check the box Native Alaskan Inuit. And tell my friends to. My hope one day is to see on the census report a large influx of Inuit in the area.
CENSUS DATA DISPROVE GLOBAL WARMING! WORLD GETTING COLDER, NOT WARMER! FILM AT 11.
You should be able to get a "research grant" from Exxon to fund your activism.
Why is that so upsetting to you? Gross estimations of your ethnicity can be made by simply looking at you; if you leave your house, your ethnicity is essentially public information, right?
Let's see...
When you buy something at the store, you're standing in line with other members of the public, so your purchases are essentially public information, right?
When you take a book out of the library, your reading tastes are essentially public information, right?
When you visit a hospital or clinic and are sitting with strangers in a waiting room, your medical problems are essentially public information, right?
When you take a book out of the library, your reading tastes are essentially public information, right?
When you pick a dvd off the shelf to rent, your viewing interests are essentially public information, right?
When you shop for groceries, your eating habits are essentially public information, right?
When you buy a present for that someone special to surprise them, your purchase is essentially public information, right?
So, where do you draw the line?
For example, finding out that one county's minority population is 13% below the poverty line, while another county's rate is only 5%. It would be useful to know that situation even exists; then, you can try to find out what the difference is and try to help the situation.
There is a happy medium between affirmative-action-type policies and nothing. It is useful for sociologists to have this kind of information.
So you would make it that aid to help people escape poverty should be targeted by skin colour, rather than need? Come on, poor is poor - when you're broke, hungry, and homeless, your skin colour doesn't make your stomach growl any less.
In some provinces, the Catholic church used to be allowed to impose a surtax on the property of their adherents. In Soviet Quebec, CHURCH TAX YOU!
Nowadays, even the courts have "wised up" - no more "Put your hand on the bible and swear..." - just "Please raise your right hand and swear..." they pulled the "wiggly man on a stick" years ago. Last year, when I pulled jury duty, the whole "swear on the bible" bit was still the default, but you could just give a solemn declaration. This week, I didn't see a bible in sight.
I guess it was easier to pull the bibles than to include the Koran, Book of Morons^H^H^Hmon, Dune, Prayer for Dummies, Pastafarian Guide to 5-Star Restaurants, HHGTTG, etc.
If we don't fight it, it becomes accepted as "the new pink" - the "norm."
We see new erosions of freedoms south of the border... we could be next if we are not vigilant.
Bad enough we've had racist governments elected at the provincial level - the Parti Quebecois with their ethnocentric policies, dividing people into Quebecois, Bloke, and "Les Autres" (french, english, and "the others" - often spoken by the older, more ignorant generation, with a curled lip)...
Up here in Canuckistan (you know, Canada..) the last 2 census (censii?) I've received the detailed long questionaire. Both times, I've refused to fill them in because there are questions that are either racist or illegal, or both.
Examples please..
The last one asked "What is the ethnic origin of your parents?" This was a lame attempt to replace the "What is your race?" question from the previous census.
The ONLY way I would answer such a question is with a court order - and I'd argue against it to a judge first. They just refuse to take it that far, because they know that, not only is the question morally offensive, but it also infringes on my parent's right to privacy of their personal information - that's quite simply the law up here. If they want, they can ask my parents. Just bring a shovel so they can dig 6 feet deep.
Up here in Canuckistan (you know, Canada..) the last 2 census (censii?) I've received the detailed long questionaire. Both times, I've refused to fill them in because there are questions that are either racist or illegal, or both.
That's just stupid. We need census information for service provision. If a significant proportion of people withhold their details, they have no right to complain when there aren't enough schools or hospital beds or even houses in the right places. How else are governments supposed to get demographic information?
If you don't want to include race information, just put 'Jedi' like everybody else.
They tried that argument with me, and I told them they were full of shit. "We need it to help administer programs like Medicare." LIE. Everyone has a medicare card - this is CANADA, FFS!. You mention the provisioning of "schools, hospitals or even houses in the right place." Race better NOT have anything to do with the allocation of schools or hospitals. As for houses, that's decided by the private sector, last I looked, but again, race or "ethnic origin of your parents" better not play a factor in the provisioning of housing. There is NO need to track this particular statistic in a country like Canada.
I talked to some aboriginals, and they said " That, we just throw them all in the garbage." Not one case of any native person ever being charged. Just "plain ole white folks" who are too chicken-shit to stand up for what makes this country decent.
I found the question on race in the first one VERY offensive. The second census, where they changed it to "What is your parents' ethnic origin" is clearly illegal under Canada's privacy laws. I have no more right to "inform" on someone else's race than I do on their sexual habits, etc. I told them that if they want my parent's info, they have to ask them - they can either make a VERY long-distance phone call or write them care of the dead letter office, since they're both dead.
A large portion of the population finds these questions have no relevancy in a modern world, that they push outdated stereotypes, and that the government should find better things to do than break their own privacy laws. Funny how they refuse to take me to court, despite several invitations to do so.
Speaking of court - I went down to the courthouse this morning and picked up a judgment against the government. I sued them (and I argued my case myself on Tuesday - against a lawyer) and won, like always. The judge ruled the government had acted illegally, and had to return my $$$ "without delay."
As for answering "Jedi", that's just encouraging them to keep such questions on the census so that the majority accept it - like the "security theatre" in the US.
Up here in Canuckistan (you know, Canada..) the last 2 census (censii?) I've received the detailed long questionaire. Both times, I've refused to fill them in because there are questions that are either racist or illegal, or both.
Both times, they've said I must, it's the law, I could get fined, go to jail, yada yada yada.
You'll actuall get that speed - they've been rolling out fibre like crazy to support video-on-demand. They can actually give you a 100mbps connection, but they're just playing the "wait until the competition almost catches up, then leapfrog them again..."
Comparing doctors and lawyers? Come on, doctors bury their mistakes (which means no mo' money) - lawyers just make more money from their mistakes by billing for the inevitable appeal.
I'd rather have a doctor arguing a case in court than a lawyer operating on me any day.
No, I just like keeping my systems free of any possible "patent issues" or other FUD avenues.
Unlike samba, which, by licensing Microsoft's IP, is actually helping to maintain Microsoft's dominance.
Expect to see the "same shit, different day" with MS-OOXML. the KDE team has it right - they will just ignore OOXML. Why waste time and energy, and further Mr. Softie's ends?
For those of us who have moved completely away from Microsoft, it IS nothing...
Where I am, all the important stuff is on linux or bsd machines - you want it, you can get it via svn or ftp or http or ssh. If you can't figure that out, you don't need access to it anyway.
At this rate the GPL v3 is being adopted by 1,000 projects every 4-5 months, and if the trend continues, the license will be used by 5,000 projects by the end of the year," states a recent posting on Palamida's blog.
Put it into perspective... without a comparison to the number (and importance) of GPLv2 projects, it is one of those meaningless statistics.
You'd think this was a press release from Microsoft...
How many GPLv2 projects are there out there? Easily over 100,000. Call me back in 5 years.
Actually, the "politics is like a septic tank, the really big chunks rise to the top" - is a reference to those really big "floaters" that you have to break up with the toilet brush because they're unsinkable.. the shit list
It would be great if he had discussions out in the open, but he just makes shit up because it would work that way in his ideal Libertarian horseshit of a world, asserts "false" to everything you say in reply, and then tells you you're appealing to authority.
I know, he has the nasty habit of almost never providing citations or links. Lazy? I don't know, and I don't care - people can and do judge based on who amasses the lists of facts, and who goes "la-la-la-la-I-can't-here-you!"
BTW, this makes him SO easy to troll... shove enough facts in his way and watch the melt-down into a mass of sputtering... I like it because it's good exercise in sharpening my skills for court (most lawyers are real idiots, and if you can troll tem or their clients, you've got the upper hand. Ditto for other negotiations.
In the last discussion on Novick he got the last word to whatever the fuck suited his fancy to everybody he disagreed with because somehow he's being paid to do nothing at slashdot. I'm not going to subscribe to Slashdot or disable ABP until the idiot is put in his place, pure and simple.
I leave the ads on because I think slashdot is still a valuable resource, but that's just me. Besides, I *like* that those ads are costing Microsoft $$$.
He posts with the/. logo next to his name, and it looks terrible, as if their reputation weren't bad enough.
Rank hath its' privileges, and all that, I guess. I'm sure the office politics are no different than any other place (sigh).
You don't see kdawson going around telling people they're false and idiots if kdawson can't come up with a valid argument and you point it out to him.
If you're writing a desktop app, you don't need to implement html parsers, the dom, javascript, css, or any of the other encumbrances that browsers face when interacting with the end user - just formulating the request and reading the response. Then handle it the way you want.
Really, the browser web page model is not the end-all, be-all.
"Prism is Mozilla's shot at busting apps out of the browser. Part of the Prism project is making the browsing core available to apps developers so they can build products like Zimbra Desktop (review) that are essentially Web apps, but that don't look like it. "
Why bother? You can already be done on most platforms. Java, wxWidgets, tkpython, c/c++, etc. You have NEVER needed a browser to "interact with the web" or "build a web app." http is just one more protocol to exchange data.
Weave extends the browser in the other direction: Not toward the desktop, but instead into the Internet. Mozilla wants an individual's browsing experience to stay with them no matter what machine they are on."
Most of the research on drugs is being done in cooperation with universities. Guess who reaps the payback? The drug co, not the uni, even though universities get some of their funding from the public.
Also, research costs are not the reason for high drug costs. for every $1 spent on research, they spend $4 on those stupid ads you see on TV.
In other words, you're paying already. You're paying to help run the universities that do the research, you're paying at the counter for the misleading advertising to convince you to push your doctor to prescribe a specific drug rather than letting him or her exercise their professional judgment and experience, you're paying to run your HMO bureaucracy, and you STILL have to pay for the indigent, the working poor, etc.
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Easy ...
You're looking at 2015.
BS and Double BS - they backstop the census results with other data, such as drivers' licenses, tax returns, the permanent electoral list, medicare records, etc., AND they already know that a certain portion of the population will NOT fill in the forms, and add the appropriate "fudge factor."
Don't be so quick to go "OMG if you don't fill it in you're costing everyone money!!!" Only the most naive statisticians would depend on raw census data.
They already have all this information, sans the "ethnicicity" info, in their current records (unemployment claims, etc). If an area is hard-hit by job losses, why should the people's skin colour make a difference?
The sad part - a LOT of people believe that they have to reply one way or the other. "It's the law" or some such shit. So they unknowingly get rooked into paying to support another generation of paedophiles (for the RC church surtax) or a school system they may be in total disagreement with ...
Interesting tie-in ... there's a private french roman-catholic-based high school that no longer teaches anything about WW2. We couldn't believe there are adults here in their late 20's who have no knowledge whatsoever of the Nazis, the Holocaust, etc. But they sure know that "the jews killed baby jeebus". The current pope would feel right at home.
I was pointing out that it is the government who is selectively enforcing the census based on skin colour and ancestry. BTW, anyone who is won't stand up against the government when the government's policies are wrong deserves the chickenshit label, no matter what their skin colour.
Everyone is equal in and before the law. That's in our constitution. That the government not only selectively enforces the laws of the land, but does so in some cases based on perceived "race" or skin colour, or who your parents were, or your sex or gender, is wrong, unjust, and illegal.
CENSUS DATA DISPROVE GLOBAL WARMING! WORLD GETTING COLDER, NOT WARMER! FILM AT 11.
You should be able to get a "research grant" from Exxon to fund your activism.
Let's see ...
When you buy something at the store, you're standing in line with other members of the public, so your purchases are essentially public information, right?
When you take a book out of the library, your reading tastes are essentially public information, right?
When you visit a hospital or clinic and are sitting with strangers in a waiting room, your medical problems are essentially public information, right?
When you take a book out of the library, your reading tastes are essentially public information, right?
When you pick a dvd off the shelf to rent, your viewing interests are essentially public information, right?
When you shop for groceries, your eating habits are essentially public information, right?
When you buy a present for that someone special to surprise them, your purchase is essentially public information, right?
So, where do you draw the line?
So you would make it that aid to help people escape poverty should be targeted by skin colour, rather than need? Come on, poor is poor - when you're broke, hungry, and homeless, your skin colour doesn't make your stomach growl any less.
In some provinces, the Catholic church used to be allowed to impose a surtax on the property of their adherents. In Soviet Quebec, CHURCH TAX YOU!
Nowadays, even the courts have "wised up" - no more "Put your hand on the bible and swear ..." - just "Please raise your right hand and swear ..." they pulled the "wiggly man on a stick" years ago. Last year, when I pulled jury duty, the whole "swear on the bible" bit was still the default, but you could just give a solemn declaration. This week, I didn't see a bible in sight.
I guess it was easier to pull the bibles than to include the Koran, Book of Morons^H^H^Hmon, Dune, Prayer for Dummies, Pastafarian Guide to 5-Star Restaurants, HHGTTG, etc.
If we don't fight it, it becomes accepted as "the new pink" - the "norm."
We see new erosions of freedoms south of the border ... we could be next if we are not vigilant.
Bad enough we've had racist governments elected at the provincial level - the Parti Quebecois with their ethnocentric policies, dividing people into Quebecois, Bloke, and "Les Autres" (french, english, and "the others" - often spoken by the older, more ignorant generation, with a curled lip) ...
The last one asked "What is the ethnic origin of your parents?" This was a lame attempt to replace the "What is your race?" question from the previous census.
The ONLY way I would answer such a question is with a court order - and I'd argue against it to a judge first. They just refuse to take it that far, because they know that, not only is the question morally offensive, but it also infringes on my parent's right to privacy of their personal information - that's quite simply the law up here. If they want, they can ask my parents. Just bring a shovel so they can dig 6 feet deep.
They tried that argument with me, and I told them they were full of shit. "We need it to help administer programs like Medicare." LIE. Everyone has a medicare card - this is CANADA, FFS!. You mention the provisioning of "schools, hospitals or even houses in the right place." Race better NOT have anything to do with the allocation of schools or hospitals. As for houses, that's decided by the private sector, last I looked, but again, race or "ethnic origin of your parents" better not play a factor in the provisioning of housing. There is NO need to track this particular statistic in a country like Canada.
I talked to some aboriginals, and they said " That, we just throw them all in the garbage." Not one case of any native person ever being charged. Just "plain ole white folks" who are too chicken-shit to stand up for what makes this country decent.
I found the question on race in the first one VERY offensive. The second census, where they changed it to "What is your parents' ethnic origin" is clearly illegal under Canada's privacy laws. I have no more right to "inform" on someone else's race than I do on their sexual habits, etc. I told them that if they want my parent's info, they have to ask them - they can either make a VERY long-distance phone call or write them care of the dead letter office, since they're both dead.
A large portion of the population finds these questions have no relevancy in a modern world, that they push outdated stereotypes, and that the government should find better things to do than break their own privacy laws. Funny how they refuse to take me to court, despite several invitations to do so.
Speaking of court - I went down to the courthouse this morning and picked up a judgment against the government. I sued them (and I argued my case myself on Tuesday - against a lawyer) and won, like always. The judge ruled the government had acted illegally, and had to return my $$$ "without delay."
As for answering "Jedi", that's just encouraging them to keep such questions on the census so that the majority accept it - like the "security theatre" in the US.
Up here in Canuckistan (you know, Canada ..) the last 2 census (censii?) I've received the detailed long questionaire. Both times, I've refused to fill them in because there are questions that are either racist or illegal, or both.
Both times, they've said I must, it's the law, I could get fined, go to jail, yada yada yada.
I just say "Fine, let's tell it to a judge."
By my census, it's me 2 : gubbimint 0.
$150/month is a ripoff. Move to Canada
50 mbps / $79.95
You'll actuall get that speed - they've been rolling out fibre like crazy to support video-on-demand. They can actually give you a 100mbps connection, but they're just playing the "wait until the competition almost catches up, then leapfrog them again ..."
Comparing doctors and lawyers? Come on, doctors bury their mistakes (which means no mo' money) - lawyers just make more money from their mistakes by billing for the inevitable appeal.
I'd rather have a doctor arguing a case in court than a lawyer operating on me any day.
No, I just like keeping my systems free of any possible "patent issues" or other FUD avenues.
Unlike samba, which, by licensing Microsoft's IP, is actually helping to maintain Microsoft's dominance.
Expect to see the "same shit, different day" with MS-OOXML. the KDE team has it right - they will just ignore OOXML. Why waste time and energy, and further Mr. Softie's ends?
I also left out fish://, (and sftp), but let's face it - people using Mr. Softie aren't going to be using fish:// any time soon.
For those of us who have moved completely away from Microsoft, it IS nothing ...
Where I am, all the important stuff is on linux or bsd machines - you want it, you can get it via svn or ftp or http or ssh. If you can't figure that out, you don't need access to it anyway.
Put it into perspective ... without a comparison to the number (and importance) of GPLv2 projects, it is one of those meaningless statistics.
You'd think this was a press release from Microsoft ...
How many GPLv2 projects are there out there? Easily over 100,000. Call me back in 5 years.
Actually, the "politics is like a septic tank, the really big chunks rise to the top" - is a reference to those really big "floaters" that you have to break up with the toilet brush because they're unsinkable .. the shit list
I know, he has the nasty habit of almost never providing citations or links. Lazy? I don't know, and I don't care - people can and do judge based on who amasses the lists of facts, and who goes "la-la-la-la-I-can't-here-you!"
BTW, this makes him SO easy to troll ... shove enough facts in his way and watch the melt-down into a mass of sputtering ... I like it because it's good exercise in sharpening my skills for court (most lawyers are real idiots, and if you can troll tem or their clients, you've got the upper hand. Ditto for other negotiations.
I leave the ads on because I think slashdot is still a valuable resource, but that's just me. Besides, I *like* that those ads are costing Microsoft $$$.
Rank hath its' privileges, and all that, I guess. I'm sure the office politics are no different than any other place (sigh).
Psst - "llegitimus non carborundum" ;-0
Well, gotta go, weekend is starting.
If you're writing a desktop app, you don't need to implement html parsers, the dom, javascript, css, or any of the other encumbrances that browsers face when interacting with the end user - just formulating the request and reading the response. Then handle it the way you want.
Really, the browser web page model is not the end-all, be-all.
Implementing an http client is trivial for most competent programmers in most languages.
Also, a desktop app doesn't need to implement javascript, css, the dom, or any of those encumbrances. It's an app, nmot a bastardized web page!
The needs of the US are different from the UK.
Obese people just naturally float, just like the really big chunks in the septic tank (and politicians) always rise to the top ...
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Most of the research on drugs is being done in cooperation with universities. Guess who reaps the payback? The drug co, not the uni, even though universities get some of their funding from the public.
Also, research costs are not the reason for high drug costs. for every $1 spent on research, they spend $4 on those stupid ads you see on TV.
In other words, you're paying already. You're paying to help run the universities that do the research, you're paying at the counter for the misleading advertising to convince you to push your doctor to prescribe a specific drug rather than letting him or her exercise their professional judgment and experience, you're paying to run your HMO bureaucracy, and you STILL have to pay for the indigent, the working poor, etc.