> The thing is, why should including a model of yourself in the map be so special?
If you don't include yourself in your mental model you would not be able to identify potential risks, as having no self-awareness means not being aware of risks to self. That makes for a very quick "natural de-selection."
> mind has more reliable information about you than about most things it has to model
I disagree. The only thing your mind is aware of is itself (consciousness, not body). You can observe further that the thing you are attached to has two sets of two limbs with five digits attached to them that you control. It's got a trunk, and mine has a little dangly thing in the middle. But without a mirror there is no way to see the "full picture" of what you are. On the other hand, you can see the full-sized image of another person. So on a physical (visual) level you can know someone else better than yourself.
> The teller counts down my change to the last cent
That's a little different, as tellers usually need math skills and are tested for them. Your average Schmoe at Happy Grocery doesn't care about math, they just want a paycheck.
> Yes it's "politically correct" to call this home-schooling... homeschooling causes socially inept people..
I both agree and disagree with this -- I think it depends more on the person than how they were schooled.
I have a friend who, along with his sister and 2 brothers, all were home-schooled until High School. He's not exactly Don Juan, but he seems pretty average WRT social ability. His sister's a slut, so obviously she knows how to *AHEM* talk? His brothers are alright, if not a bit hyper.
I, on the other hand, was in public school my entire life, forced to take part in social events. I am the most socially inept person I have ever encountered (not that I'm happy about it). I have 0 social skills whatsoever, despite Soccer, Baseball, band... Not to mention I went to rather large schools & had the opportunity to meet all kinds of people; but I didn't.
Of course, I realize that anecdotal evidence does not a trend make, and that my personal experience is definitely an outlier in the data.
> The best office is the least visible one - the one from which you can sneak away without passing too many important people's offices.
That's a very true statement. I wasn't too keen on my office until I realized it was very near the timeclock & about 10 yards away from the loading dock (smoking area & exit), and behind two usually-closed doors that few have keys to. Hmm, I like my new job:)
hehe, well said. Unfortunately I see points on both sides -- Maybe the machine operators or supervisors are slacking off causing raw materials to not be up fast enough for the robots to assemble. Probably 100% NOT the case, but there are still humans working in that place somewhere.
The same thought came to my mind. Not necessarily the Boss, but anyone who has (only) half-a-clue. Some dimwit might see all those screens moving around & assume it's a virus or something & unplug your computer.
> boss menu and/or boss key > I've seen at least one game for the Amiga that had this feature.
Okay, I love Amigas as much as...well, more than most people, but who would be (or was) dumb enough to use them in a business, unless it's graphics or sound editing? It wasn't exactly a great business machine. Mind you, I'd love to have an Amiga instead of my Dell (especially if it could be a laptop), but I couldn't get anything worthwhile done - except Lotus Esprit racing...
That used to be the case, but AFAIK I believe they have changed that recently -- it made the Japanese look like adult porn was bad, but kiddie porn was OK.
There are flawed thoughts on both sides -- I'll leave those out since they don't matter, now that you have made this distinction. Usually, the usage of sarcasm is presented as a very over-the-top statement with wild conclusions. While I thought it was over-the-top, I noticed that you didn't seem to think so, therefore it didn't look like sarcasm.
> Soon, they will be installing cameras in our home > Ain't it wonderful to live in a police state
You are an idiot and need a better handle on life, methinks. Please stop thinking your life is all that meaningful to the police/guv, it isn't. As long as you don't make waves, they'll leave you alone. There will not be a time like 1984, get used to it. 1984 is a work of fiction, not a statment of the future. Orwell's a great writer, but that doesn't mean he's correct.
And that Police State bullshit should be insulting to people who actually live in places more like 1984. If you are living in fear for your life every day from the government, then you can say you live in a police state. If you live in the U.S. and think that you live in a police state, you have probably never been out of your time zone, let alone your country. And definitely not to a third world country. If you have been to third world countries and still say this, then maybe you should reconsider your priorities.
I, hesiod, reassert the previous statements that Microsoft sucks, and wish to revise & extend my arguments as stated in paragraphs 1-3 of article 5957381. (So can I be a lawyer now?) Anyway...
> Microsoft [is] take-take-take, [whether] customers come back willing or not.
Well, If customer "Luser" buys shoddy/shitty product from company "MassiveStroke" and doesn't like it, why do they return to it, especially when another company, "MeLikes" has the same product for free? Well, that's one of the great mysteries of PHB's I guess. In that case, I call it the Luser's fault, not the company making products.
> free to buy from farm conglomerates who have sworn off illegal labor?
Yes, the company is free to choose companies that don't use illegal labor. I want that to happen. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE TIME.
> I'm not sure if it's productive to discuss this issue with someone who doesn't understand the relation between farm labor and skin cancer.
I don't understand? Geez. I've been saying this whole time that I don't think illegal immigrants should be in the U.S.A. Then you proceed to call me an idiot (no, you didn't, I know) because the U.S. Farmers are exploiting them? If I had it my way, none of them would be here to be exploited. And even though it isn't important to the discussion, farm labor does not cause skin cancer. Exposure to the sun (even that's not exactly correct) is what causes it. Wear something to protect you and it won't be as much of a threat.
> If i was in Balmers shoes, i'd cash out and spend the rest of my life trying not to dance on camera.
That's a good point, one which a friend and I were discussing just last night. Why do people who have a billion dollars feel the need to continue amassing more? They cannot spend that much money in a lifetime (without throwing it away or investing in more businesses). Is there really so much greed that they can't just be happy where they are?
I'm not Ballmer and I never want to do the monkey-boy.
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> The thing is, why should including a model of yourself in the map be so special?
If you don't include yourself in your mental model you would not be able to identify potential risks, as having no self-awareness means not being aware of risks to self. That makes for a very quick "natural de-selection."
> mind has more reliable information about you than about most things it has to model
I disagree. The only thing your mind is aware of is itself (consciousness, not body). You can observe further that the thing you are attached to has two sets of two limbs with five digits attached to them that you control. It's got a trunk, and mine has a little dangly thing in the middle. But without a mirror there is no way to see the "full picture" of what you are. On the other hand, you can see the full-sized image of another person. So on a physical (visual) level you can know someone else better than yourself.
> The Korean ID isn't really used as indentification, rather than a means of verifying yourself.
Umm, doesn't Identification mean something used to verify your identity? Uhh, verifying yourself? hmmm...
> The teller counts down my change to the last cent
That's a little different, as tellers usually need math skills and are tested for them. Your average Schmoe at Happy Grocery doesn't care about math, they just want a paycheck.
> Yes it's "politically correct" to call this home-schooling... homeschooling causes socially inept people..
I both agree and disagree with this -- I think it depends more on the person than how they were schooled.
I have a friend who, along with his sister and 2 brothers, all were home-schooled until High School. He's not exactly Don Juan, but he seems pretty average WRT social ability. His sister's a slut, so obviously she knows how to *AHEM* talk? His brothers are alright, if not a bit hyper.
I, on the other hand, was in public school my entire life, forced to take part in social events. I am the most socially inept person I have ever encountered (not that I'm happy about it). I have 0 social skills whatsoever, despite Soccer, Baseball, band... Not to mention I went to rather large schools & had the opportunity to meet all kinds of people; but I didn't.
Of course, I realize that anecdotal evidence does not a trend make, and that my personal experience is definitely an outlier in the data.
> Who the hell gets an office with a door? Management phonies.
:(
I have a door -- but that's so they can lock me in to make sure I'm here 8 hours
*HELP, HELP*
> The best office is the least visible one - the one from which you can sneak away without passing too many important people's offices.
:)
That's a very true statement. I wasn't too keen on my office until I realized it was very near the timeclock & about 10 yards away from the loading dock (smoking area & exit), and behind two usually-closed doors that few have keys to. Hmm, I like my new job
> Ummm, domestic assembly line robots are lazy?
hehe, well said. Unfortunately I see points on both sides -- Maybe the machine operators or supervisors are slacking off causing raw materials to not be up fast enough for the robots to assemble. Probably 100% NOT the case, but there are still humans working in that place somewhere.
The same thought came to my mind. Not necessarily the Boss, but anyone who has (only) half-a-clue. Some dimwit might see all those screens moving around & assume it's a virus or something & unplug your computer.
> when the auto factories moved to Mexico
I thought there were auto factories in Detroit? Not a bad improvement, though -- Detroit is by far dirtier than Mexico.
> Then you realize that 'real life' means a wife, kids to support, a giant house
:)
Nah, it means alimony, child support, and a mortgage on a house you aren't allowed to enter without permission from that bitch who ruined your life.
Stop being so cynical
> calling an employee up at any time of the day or night
That's why they give us pagers!
> who do not smoke but they come out also and breath some air.
As long as they don't come out at the same time -- fresh air, to me, requires no smokers being around (and I am one).
> you hit the Alt + Esc and BOOM, it's Excel time.
What is that? I've never heard of it and it does nothing on my computer...
> boss menu and/or boss key
> I've seen at least one game for the Amiga that had this feature.
Okay, I love Amigas as much as...well, more than most people, but who would be (or was) dumb enough to use them in a business, unless it's graphics or sound editing? It wasn't exactly a great business machine. Mind you, I'd love to have an Amiga instead of my Dell (especially if it could be a laptop), but I couldn't get anything worthwhile done - except Lotus Esprit racing...
> Actually it's pubic hair that is censored
That used to be the case, but AFAIK I believe they have changed that recently -- it made the Japanese look like adult porn was bad, but kiddie porn was OK.
> I was just trying to use sarcasm
There are flawed thoughts on both sides -- I'll leave those out since they don't matter, now that you have made this distinction. Usually, the usage of sarcasm is presented as a very over-the-top statement with wild conclusions. While I thought it was over-the-top, I noticed that you didn't seem to think so, therefore it didn't look like sarcasm.
> The only reason you had to look out in 1984 was if you made waves
Oh, please. The "waves" in 1984 included using the wrong toothbrush -- I guess I just have a slightly better grasp on reality than you.
> Soon, they will be installing cameras in our home
> Ain't it wonderful to live in a police state
You are an idiot and need a better handle on life, methinks. Please stop thinking your life is all that meaningful to the police/guv, it isn't. As long as you don't make waves, they'll leave you alone. There will not be a time like 1984, get used to it. 1984 is a work of fiction, not a statment of the future. Orwell's a great writer, but that doesn't mean he's correct.
And that Police State bullshit should be insulting to people who actually live in places more like 1984. If you are living in fear for your life every day from the government, then you can say you live in a police state. If you live in the U.S. and think that you live in a police state, you have probably never been out of your time zone, let alone your country. And definitely not to a third world country. If you have been to third world countries and still say this, then maybe you should reconsider your priorities.
> They are addicted to the risk
:).
If they are REALLY addicted to risk, they should lose almost all of it and try to gain it back. Now, THAT is risk
> not-for-profits and charitables also try to make as much money as possible too.
You are correct, I am not sure what I was thinking. I guess I was trying to keep the "good guys" from being mixed in with the "bad guys."
I, hesiod, reassert the previous statements that Microsoft sucks, and wish to revise & extend my arguments as stated in paragraphs 1-3 of article 5957381. (So can I be a lawyer now?) Anyway...
> Microsoft [is] take-take-take, [whether] customers come back willing or not.
Well, If customer "Luser" buys shoddy/shitty product from company "MassiveStroke" and doesn't like it, why do they return to it, especially when another company, "MeLikes" has the same product for free? Well, that's one of the great mysteries of PHB's I guess. In that case, I call it the Luser's fault, not the company making products.
> free to buy from farm conglomerates who have sworn off illegal labor?
Yes, the company is free to choose companies that don't use illegal labor. I want that to happen. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE TIME.
> I'm not sure if it's productive to discuss this issue with someone who doesn't understand the relation between farm labor and skin cancer.
I don't understand? Geez. I've been saying this whole time that I don't think illegal immigrants should be in the U.S.A. Then you proceed to call me an idiot (no, you didn't, I know) because the U.S. Farmers are exploiting them? If I had it my way, none of them would be here to be exploited. And even though it isn't important to the discussion, farm labor does not cause skin cancer. Exposure to the sun (even that's not exactly correct) is what causes it. Wear something to protect you and it won't be as much of a threat.
> If i was in Balmers shoes, i'd cash out and spend the rest of my life trying not to dance on camera.
That's a good point, one which a friend and I were discussing just last night. Why do people who have a billion dollars feel the need to continue amassing more? They cannot spend that much money in a lifetime (without throwing it away or investing in more businesses). Is there really so much greed that they can't just be happy where they are?
I'm not Ballmer and I never want to do the monkey-boy.
> do you include illegal things?
Well, I exclude immoral things, as I stated in the original post.
And is there any reason to believe it is fake? Or are you saying that MS execs are incredibly fake, which is just known to be true?