> Your post lacks sense because it is merely a stream of unsubsantiated and biased assertions.
Okay, let's go back and look at my post:
> loves its enemies
No one loves their enemies. If they love them, they aren't enemies, they are friends.
> send its own citizens to be tortured in another country
Guantanamo bay is in Cuba. Cuba is another country. American citizens are being held there without access to lawyers, family, etc. Supposedly, some aren't even told what they are accused of.
> spreads the truth
Okay, I don't know George Bush's personal opinion on ID vs. Evolution, but I DO know that the large majority of people who think ID is science and Evolution is a crackpot theory voted for George Bush because he "represents them."
> constant, ambiguous warnings that someone, somewhere, in America will die soon (even though it never happens)
Witness the terror alert level changed all the time without a single attack ever occurring.
> Then making a whole new level of beurocracy to make sure everyone knows how scared they should be at a given moment...
Department of Homeland Security, who set that up
Since I have quite easily proven you have no interest in spreading the truth, but only your bullshit (or you are attempting to troll), this conversation is done.
> It is impossible to believe in democracy and not believe otherwise
That is not correct. Your statement contains a logical fallacy: "if you think X is best for you, it must be best for everyone." That is not true. I believe democracy, as it should be, is the best form of government for the U.S. But that does not mean I think everyone else i nthe world would be best off with it. They probably would (my opinion), but for either of us to say so explicitly would be either ignorant, or would require omnipotence, which I am guessing you do not have.
> Seems the theif had done exactly what they wanted. To steal their sense of security.
What a stupid premise! A thief doesn't care about their sense of security, he just wants money or stuff he can sell to get money! He wasn't trying to instill fear. A professional thief couldn't care less what his victims thought, as long as he gets away with it.
> All those corrupt Arab regimes nurturing death, repression, ignorance and terror?
As opposed to the American regime that loves its enemies, doesn't send its own citizens to be tortured in another country, spreads the truth (fuck evolution!), and does everything it can to make its citizens warm and happy -- you know, like the constant, ambiguous warnings that someone, somewhere, in America will die soon (even though it never happens). Then making a whole new level of beurocracy to make sure everyone knows how scared they should be at a given moment...
Both "sides" (assuming, incorrectly, that there are only 2) are using lies and terror to do what they want.
> it is OK for wealthy college students to do it, too?
FYI, not all CMU students are wealthy. I had a very good friend go there, and he was middle-to-lower-middle class. He was just an exceptionally good programmer and got a bunch of scholarships, etc.
> USENET is still superior: Anonymous uploading of files can be done
I would use it if it were easy to find an NNTP server. My Comcast Broadband (AFAIK) does not have a Usenet server, and I don't know of any free ones. Can you name a few? Two? One really good one?
My implicit "social contract" is with the government, who is abusing that contract. I never signed, agreed to, or was informed of a contract that allows the RIAA to dictate law.
> in effect you stole the results of my efforts, my time, and my money without offering me due compensation.
You are stretching terms beyond their actual scope. It's similar to arguing that "Free Speech" means you can freely threaten the president's life, or the stupid hypothetical of shouting "fire" in a theatre.
> I work hard on programs and I'm paid for them and that's it.
Just curious, would it annoy you if you later found out that the software you wrote was being pirated all over the Internet and, in theory, depriving your employer of sales? It wouldn't affect you directly unless sales slipped so much you get fired.
> almost anyone can make, record and distribute quality music
A slight correction. They can make music with high quality sound. High quality music requires talent that most people do not have, or choose not to learn.
> it is a song about criminals who want to murder the very people who protect the innocent.
HAHAHAA!! GOOD ONE! Police protecting the innocent, that's funny!
Look, of course they are criminals wanting to murder cops. And yes, they are using racism as their standard mostly-bullshit excuse, but let's not pretend that they (we) don't have a real reason to hate the police.
> I don't believe you can really argue that its wrong to do so.
"Belief" is all you need to look to to see why someone could think it is wrong. A good Christian (which I am not) will say "turn the other cheek" after being wronged by the RIAA. It is then "wrong" to do them wrong by stealing.
I agree with your sentiment, just pointing out that someone could argue that point.
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> No, because all human beings have approximately equivalent immune systems
Why is it that some people have been found to be immune to HIV then? Or ANYTHING, for that matter. Not all humans are created equal.
Does the XServer use OSX?
> Your post lacks sense because it is merely a stream of unsubsantiated and biased assertions.
Okay, let's go back and look at my post:
> loves its enemies
No one loves their enemies. If they love them, they aren't enemies, they are friends.
> send its own citizens to be tortured in another country
Guantanamo bay is in Cuba. Cuba is another country. American citizens are being held there without access to lawyers, family, etc. Supposedly, some aren't even told what they are accused of.
> spreads the truth
Okay, I don't know George Bush's personal opinion on ID vs. Evolution, but I DO know that the large majority of people who think ID is science and Evolution is a crackpot theory voted for George Bush because he "represents them."
> constant, ambiguous warnings that someone, somewhere, in America will die soon (even though it never happens)
Witness the terror alert level changed all the time without a single attack ever occurring.
> Then making a whole new level of beurocracy to make sure everyone knows how scared they should be at a given moment...
Department of Homeland Security, who set that up
Since I have quite easily proven you have no interest in spreading the truth, but only your bullshit (or you are attempting to troll), this conversation is done.
Fair enough. Perhaps it would be a feeling of superiority to think he's terrified them. I've never stolen from someone's home.
> It is impossible to believe in democracy and not believe otherwise
That is not correct. Your statement contains a logical fallacy: "if you think X is best for you, it must be best for everyone." That is not true. I believe democracy, as it should be, is the best form of government for the U.S. But that does not mean I think everyone else i nthe world would be best off with it. They probably would (my opinion), but for either of us to say so explicitly would be either ignorant, or would require omnipotence, which I am guessing you do not have.
If you actually try comprehending it, it makes perfect sense. My sense is not limited by your inability to read, thank you.
> Isn't all this radiation going to cause disease?
I don't know, has all the radiation from AM, FM, CB, HAM, shortwave, etc. radio caused disease? What about over-air TV broadcast radiation?
> Seems the theif had done exactly what they wanted. To steal their sense of security.
What a stupid premise! A thief doesn't care about their sense of security, he just wants money or stuff he can sell to get money! He wasn't trying to instill fear. A professional thief couldn't care less what his victims thought, as long as he gets away with it.
> All those corrupt Arab regimes nurturing death, repression, ignorance and terror?
As opposed to the American regime that loves its enemies, doesn't send its own citizens to be tortured in another country, spreads the truth (fuck evolution!), and does everything it can to make its citizens warm and happy -- you know, like the constant, ambiguous warnings that someone, somewhere, in America will die soon (even though it never happens). Then making a whole new level of beurocracy to make sure everyone knows how scared they should be at a given moment...
Both "sides" (assuming, incorrectly, that there are only 2) are using lies and terror to do what they want.
> no current Arab regime is democratic; therefore, no current Arab regime is legitimate.
So the only way a government/leader is "legitimate" is if they used your preferred method of getting into power? That's a pretty ignorant statement.
Sorry, I'm not into metatagging my conversations. ASCII does have a tendency to lose any subtleties of language. Oh well, no harm done. :)
> What you hyper-moralistic buffoons never remember
:)
At this point, I feel the need to point out that saying "Physical Property Infringement" was a joke pointing out that IP Infr. is not theft.
I'm a pirate, arrrr.
> it is OK for wealthy college students to do it, too?
FYI, not all CMU students are wealthy. I had a very good friend go there, and he was middle-to-lower-middle class. He was just an exceptionally good programmer and got a bunch of scholarships, etc.
> USENET is still superior: Anonymous uploading of files can be done
I would use it if it were easy to find an NNTP server. My Comcast Broadband (AFAIK) does not have a Usenet server, and I don't know of any free ones. Can you name a few? Two? One really good one?
My implicit "social contract" is with the government, who is abusing that contract. I never signed, agreed to, or was informed of a contract that allows the RIAA to dictate law.
> in effect you stole the results of my efforts, my time, and my money without offering me due compensation.
You are stretching terms beyond their actual scope. It's similar to arguing that "Free Speech" means you can freely threaten the president's life, or the stupid hypothetical of shouting "fire" in a theatre.
> I work hard on programs and I'm paid for them and that's it.
Just curious, would it annoy you if you later found out that the software you wrote was being pirated all over the Internet and, in theory, depriving your employer of sales? It wouldn't affect you directly unless sales slipped so much you get fired.
> most of what is out there today is pure crap. I mean seriously, it is so phony and fake it's pathetic
Yes, and Glam Rock was so true to reality. Err, maybe it was Gangsta Rap. No, not that... uh... OK, Disco! Drugs and sex, that's real.
> almost anyone can make, record and distribute quality music
A slight correction. They can make music with high quality sound. High quality music requires talent that most people do not have, or choose not to learn.
> it is a song about criminals who want to murder the very people who protect the innocent.
HAHAHAA!! GOOD ONE! Police protecting the innocent, that's funny!
Look, of course they are criminals wanting to murder cops. And yes, they are using racism as their standard mostly-bullshit excuse, but let's not pretend that they (we) don't have a real reason to hate the police.
> I've stoled yo' momma's virginity
/. as an AC. Or that he liked Coldplay.
Who thought Jesus would be posting on
> It is then "wrong" to do them wrong by stealing.
Geez, I committed one of my own most hated mistakes. Replace "stealing" with "infringing on their copyright."
> I don't believe you can really argue that its wrong to do so.
"Belief" is all you need to look to to see why someone could think it is wrong. A good Christian (which I am not) will say "turn the other cheek" after being wronged by the RIAA. It is then "wrong" to do them wrong by stealing.
I agree with your sentiment, just pointing out that someone could argue that point.
> at least that what we would steal it for
Hey! You mean Physical Property Infringement, bucko!
> There is no difference
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When there are excess CDs, they sit on a shelf.
When there are excess workers, PEOPLE DIE
You know, those little things like starvation, no health coverage, not enough CDs, etc.