you pay for it with a privacy policy that no one should be willing to submit to. What part of the policy did you find objectionable again? The part where a computer reads it, doesn't store any info and then displays relevant ads? Or the part where it might take a day or two to delete an e-mail from all its back-ups?
How accurate is it in placing new e-mails in long threads? Also how well does it order e-mails while in threaded mode? I recently started importing my gmail e-mails into Thunderbird with the order being based on date and time. It sorts correctly when not in threaded mode, but loses that when threaded (I can't see any reasoning behind the ordering. It doesn't order based on number of e-mails in the thread, whether or not its part of a thread, the date of the first e-mail in a thread or the date of the last e-mail on a thread. It appears to be somewhat random).
When you download and display the ad there is the possibility (no matter how remote) you will be interested enough to click the ad and investigate further. When you don't display the ad, there is NO possibility. So on the one hand there's a chance you'll earn Slashdot money, on the other hand there's no chance you'll earn slashdot money. Doing the latter seems a poor way to support a website you enjoy and use.
Many people look at this problem and think that Thunderbird needs to implement its own calender or needs to be bundled and become inseparable with Sunbird. These are the wrong (IMO) way to go. What truly needs to happen is that Thunderbird creates more interaction with an open format for storing calender data. That way any program (whether its Sunbird or some other one) can easily interact with Thunderbird. Sunbird obviously also needs more direct interaction with an open mail format so it can interact with Thunderbird.
Until both programs do this, Thunderbird isn't going to take off. The solution isn't to cobble Thunderbird and Sunbird together, the same reason that Firefox and Thunderbird haven't been mashed together.
How accurate is it in placing new e-mails in long threads? Also how well does it order e-mails while in threaded mode? I recently started importing my gmail e-mails into Thunderbird with the order being based on date and time. It sorts correctly when not in threaded mode, but loses that when threaded (I can't see any discernable reasoning behind the ordering. It doesn't order based on number of e-mails in the thread, whether or not its part of a thread, the date of the first e-mail in a thread or the date of the last e-mail on a thread. It appears to be somewhat random). Having said that, all 3 apps look good. I believe I'll use KNode and Kontact regardless of KMail. Thanks for the suggestion.
Also one last question: Do these apps work in gnome? I'm planning on using KDE (computer gets delivered tomorrow, desk the day after) but I'm curious if they do work on gnome.
no need for backups, or email on another computer is soooo great If you use your gmail address then you can keep them on gmail. That way you have the advantages of a local client as well as offsite storage.
My #1 gripe with thunderbird is threading bugs (that is e-mails that are part of a thread are incorrectly placed in the thread or even worse moved to their own new thread). It isn't anywhere near as reliable as gmail (and even that doesn't work 100% of the time).
Actually it does sound like a great feature for Vista, and I'd certainly be happy if the Linux distros copied it. I don't know often I'd use it (I almost always have sound turned off), but you don't know what you'll use until you have it.
I didn't mention the whole of Japan, I mentioned the densley populated cities of Japan. Are you saying all cities in Japan are more densely populated then American cities?
Well as I said I'm not completely happy with it, I accept it. However continuing to wait for the next Windows OS to be released has been a fruitless wait so with the latest release, while Linux continues to improve (with only a cursory search already revealing one advantage). So that's why I'm switching.
People who think Linux costs $0.00 IMHO think their time is worth $0.00 Aaah, I love that meme. Regardless I'll be able to test its veracity soon enough. People who think that the cover price is how much Windows costs also think their time is worth nothing. And yet funnily enough I've yet to hear people say how expensive Windows is when it comes to time. Perhaps its because the time used to set-up a computer is worth the time saved by using the computer. Regardless of OS.
I have yet to encounter an install that worked 100% perfect out of the "box". Sounds like my Windows experience.
Exactly. After all the horse left the barn when ME sucked. That's why XP had barely any noticeable increase in usage over the failure that was ME. Wait, you mean XP was a success? Damn. Guess they managed to get that horse back into the barn after all. Got any evidence that things will be different this time?
Actually isn't the 7.4% the same number as 0.81%? If you wanted to look at how much it had increased from its usage in December to its usage now (the same timespan as Linux). I'm sure you'll find that Vista has increased its growth by a lot more then a mere 100%
However a more meaningful number is looking at how much usage of Windows has increased compared with how much usage of MacOS has increased compared with how much usage of Linux has compared with. These three numbers would be more meaningful then the whole article. Funnily enough, the article only provides one of the numbers.
Half the people running Linux anymore don't know what the fuck their doing, they just want to be "geeks". Or they jsut want to bash Microsoft. Or they just want software that does what they need at a price that does it.
It's not that I don't like Linux, I just don't want to be associated with its users anymore. That's cool, I'm sure many of us don't want to be associated with elitists like you.
It means the number of Linux users couldn't have increased from 1 to 2 (or anything else) in the past year because it would be a clean 100% increase, not a slightly more then 100% increase.
Anyone who think Vista will not be a leading OS is hopeless lost in the realm of Fanboyism Anyone who thinks ME will not be a leading OS is hopeless lost in the realm of Fanboyism. Windows will remain the leading OS in the foreseeable future, however Vista is by no means guaranteed that slot.
Still unpolished compared to XP/Vista Really? Less polished then Vista? Then why am I hearing about all this trouble with installing drivers and hardware support while Linux keeps touting how it supports most hardware now?
for only a couple of Major advantages (Security mostly) And: * Free OS (for those of you who aren't suckered/forced into buying from stores that bundle the OS price with the hardware price making the two inseparable) * Free upgrades. Forever. * Lots of software bundled with the OS. Cutting down on the need to buy all of these other apps at premium prices.
Just those two minor advantages.
Websites that don't work I can't remember the last time I went to an IE only website. Besides all Windows users should be using Firefox due to its superiority to IE. Most places I see now have both installed.
joining a user community who is notoriously unhelpful towards people who just started, tricking them to deleting their drives and other things. Funny I've had nothing but help from Linux users in selecting a distro and installing that distro, even many years ago when I eventually gave up on installing Linux the people were still helpful and invited me to go to them if ever I wished to try again.
Most people really don't care about the politics they just want to get the stuff done. Sounds like a good reason to avoid Vista.
Right so 1 reason used for switching to Linux can be used to switch to FreeBSD from Linux, while 1 reason can't be used to switch from Linux to FreeBSD. Now you get into the muddy issue of whether or not there are applications and/or features that meet a Linux user's demands on FreeBSD. That is a personal question that everyone has to ask of themselves. Its also a reason many don't switch from Windows to Linux.
That's fairly understandable. In any random group programmers will be a minority. So unless you're application is for a very small community of programmers, it should be expected there wouldn't be many (if any) to help you. On the other hand by the sounds of it your community is so small that a commercial app wouldn't be produced in the first place.
I still run Windows XP as my desktop of choice. I only run it because it came with the laptop that was provided to me by IT, or I would probably still be running Windows 2000. Very simply, I use the OS as a tool to get my job done, and Windows 2000 was doing the trick. I used Windows back when using Windows wasn't cool. When Works was what people used and I was being different by using Word. I migrated from Windows 98 to Windows XP quite happily because of one very important feature: the damn thing stopped crashing. It was in fact the only feature I migrated for. Now with the release of Windows Vista I've realized that it has no new features I want. I'll be migrating to openSUSE today or tomorrow and already I'm seeing some benefits just by a little research (Something that's been annoying me is the limitation in columns that Windows spreadsheet programs have. I use Excel/OOo Calc as a flatfile database because it has a nice and easy to use interface. KSpread I've discovered has a lot more then Excel 2003/OOo Calc so I'm glad to finally be rid of that annoyance) already, I anticipate more and more advantages making themselves known.
If Linux starts to pioneer in new features and areas that Windows and the Mac OS cannot answer, then I will certainly consider it for my desktop OS. Don't you mean have to pioneer new features that Windows XP doesn't have? Otherwise Windows and Mac OS have to compete with these new features AS WELL AS Linux's price ($0.00).
Meanwhile, I deal enough headaches from users at the server level that I don't feel like battling with my Linux wifi drivers, sound card strangeness, or having to jump through other hurdles to just stay productive. In the past I've tried to migrate and had these difficulties you mention which has stopped me. I'll admit that this time I'm not going to accept failure and I will migrate, but given the many postings on the web these problems are past for most of the popular Linux distros (at the very least for openSUSE 10.3) and so installing it should be as painless, if not less so, then Windows (which many of those I know simply pay the store clerks to install for them because its so difficult). Regardless I'll see later today for myself if the rumors of Linux's installation ease have been greatly exaggerated.
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How accurate is it in placing new e-mails in long threads? Also how well does it order e-mails while in threaded mode? I recently started importing my gmail e-mails into Thunderbird with the order being based on date and time. It sorts correctly when not in threaded mode, but loses that when threaded (I can't see any reasoning behind the ordering. It doesn't order based on number of e-mails in the thread, whether or not its part of a thread, the date of the first e-mail in a thread or the date of the last e-mail on a thread. It appears to be somewhat random).
When you download and display the ad there is the possibility (no matter how remote) you will be interested enough to click the ad and investigate further. When you don't display the ad, there is NO possibility. So on the one hand there's a chance you'll earn Slashdot money, on the other hand there's no chance you'll earn slashdot money. Doing the latter seems a poor way to support a website you enjoy and use.
Most people don't consider an e-mail client worth $87
Many people look at this problem and think that Thunderbird needs to implement its own calender or needs to be bundled and become inseparable with Sunbird. These are the wrong (IMO) way to go. What truly needs to happen is that Thunderbird creates more interaction with an open format for storing calender data. That way any program (whether its Sunbird or some other one) can easily interact with Thunderbird. Sunbird obviously also needs more direct interaction with an open mail format so it can interact with Thunderbird.
Until both programs do this, Thunderbird isn't going to take off. The solution isn't to cobble Thunderbird and Sunbird together, the same reason that Firefox and Thunderbird haven't been mashed together.
How accurate is it in placing new e-mails in long threads? Also how well does it order e-mails while in threaded mode? I recently started importing my gmail e-mails into Thunderbird with the order being based on date and time. It sorts correctly when not in threaded mode, but loses that when threaded (I can't see any discernable reasoning behind the ordering. It doesn't order based on number of e-mails in the thread, whether or not its part of a thread, the date of the first e-mail in a thread or the date of the last e-mail on a thread. It appears to be somewhat random). Having said that, all 3 apps look good. I believe I'll use KNode and Kontact regardless of KMail. Thanks for the suggestion.
Also one last question: Do these apps work in gnome? I'm planning on using KDE (computer gets delivered tomorrow, desk the day after) but I'm curious if they do work on gnome.
What features do you prefer in Yahoo over Gmail? I had a look and it looked like a fairly standard e-mail client.
My #1 gripe with thunderbird is threading bugs (that is e-mails that are part of a thread are incorrectly placed in the thread or even worse moved to their own new thread). It isn't anywhere near as reliable as gmail (and even that doesn't work 100% of the time).
I certainly hope you're a slashdot subscriber then because you're denying slashdot, a website you clearly use and find value in, of important revenue.
Actually it does sound like a great feature for Vista, and I'd certainly be happy if the Linux distros copied it. I don't know often I'd use it (I almost always have sound turned off), but you don't know what you'll use until you have it.
I'd hardly consider the increase in columns worth the price of the upgrade when free alternatives exist.
I didn't mention the whole of Japan, I mentioned the densley populated cities of Japan. Are you saying all cities in Japan are more densely populated then American cities?
People say pathetic jokes, nerds analyze the pathetic jokes for any inconsistent data.
Well as I said I'm not completely happy with it, I accept it. However continuing to wait for the next Windows OS to be released has been a fruitless wait so with the latest release, while Linux continues to improve (with only a cursory search already revealing one advantage). So that's why I'm switching.
Its inherently a minority OS and therefore inherently has minimal rewards for defeating its security and so is therefore inherently more secure ;)
Exactly. After all the horse left the barn when ME sucked. That's why XP had barely any noticeable increase in usage over the failure that was ME. Wait, you mean XP was a success? Damn. Guess they managed to get that horse back into the barn after all. Got any evidence that things will be different this time?
Actually isn't the 7.4% the same number as 0.81%? If you wanted to look at how much it had increased from its usage in December to its usage now (the same timespan as Linux). I'm sure you'll find that Vista has increased its growth by a lot more then a mere 100%
However a more meaningful number is looking at how much usage of Windows has increased compared with how much usage of MacOS has increased compared with how much usage of Linux has compared with. These three numbers would be more meaningful then the whole article. Funnily enough, the article only provides one of the numbers.
It means the number of Linux users couldn't have increased from 1 to 2 (or anything else) in the past year because it would be a clean 100% increase, not a slightly more then 100% increase.
* Free OS (for those of you who aren't suckered/forced into buying from stores that bundle the OS price with the hardware price making the two inseparable)
* Free upgrades. Forever.
* Lots of software bundled with the OS. Cutting down on the need to buy all of these other apps at premium prices.
Just those two minor advantages. Websites that don't work I can't remember the last time I went to an IE only website. Besides all Windows users should be using Firefox due to its superiority to IE. Most places I see now have both installed. joining a user community who is notoriously unhelpful towards people who just started, tricking them to deleting their drives and other things. Funny I've had nothing but help from Linux users in selecting a distro and installing that distro, even many years ago when I eventually gave up on installing Linux the people were still helpful and invited me to go to them if ever I wished to try again. Most people really don't care about the politics they just want to get the stuff done. Sounds like a good reason to avoid Vista.
Right so 1 reason used for switching to Linux can be used to switch to FreeBSD from Linux, while 1 reason can't be used to switch from Linux to FreeBSD. Now you get into the muddy issue of whether or not there are applications and/or features that meet a Linux user's demands on FreeBSD. That is a personal question that everyone has to ask of themselves. Its also a reason many don't switch from Windows to Linux.
That's fairly understandable. In any random group programmers will be a minority. So unless you're application is for a very small community of programmers, it should be expected there wouldn't be many (if any) to help you. On the other hand by the sounds of it your community is so small that a commercial app wouldn't be produced in the first place.