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  1. Re:Problem with "Plenty of programmers here" argum on MS Moves R&D To Canada Due To Immigration Problem · · Score: 1

    Well, yeah, people aren't less intelligent just because they weren't born in the US. They just cost less to employ. I can't speak for my teammates' salaries, but did you miss the part where my Australian girlfriend makes as much (in all honesty, about ~4-5% more for being there 9 months longer) as I do?

  2. Problem with "Plenty of programmers here" argument on MS Moves R&D To Canada Due To Immigration Problem · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, I'm a young American employee at MS. Hired right out of college a year ago, with a much higher salary than I would have gotten from any other company that would have hired me.

    Now, having said that, I work on a team that's only about 20-30% US-born citizens. The rest are a mix of Russian, Romanian, Chinese, Indian, and Mexican. But they're not your stereotypical wage slaves hired to save costs. They're bright, intelligent contributors. And my girlfriend, an Australian citizen in a different group, gets paid as much as I do and got even more out of her relocation benefits (apparently shipping across the Pacific isn't cheap).

    So, why then does MS hire foreigners. Because (arguably, at least) MS isn't interested in the top 4X% of American developers, they're interested in the top X% of all developers. Since that subset isn't entirely American, they're very interested in immigration issues. Not to drive down wages, but to drive up hiree quality.

    You can argue all the live-long day that Americans are the best in the industry (correct or not), but you can't reasonably state that *all* American developers are better than *all* non-American developers.