I don't know if I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say, but it sounds to me like one should expect to wait until all desirable games for a given console have been released before buying the console because otherwise, one runs the risk of having the ability to run games released after the purchase of the console taken away.
Maybe, the point I was trying to make was that PSN didn't just immediately shut off OtherOS, it came through an agreement that the end user had to agree to. If they didn't do THAT, I think they would have been quite open to legal liability. As it played out, making it user choice (OtherOS + current games vs no OtherOS + current/future games) made Sony a lot safer in the courts. There's still a class action suit around, but the courts have weighed in Sony's favor in other cases.
So, you're saying that as long as they screw a few people, but not the average gamer, then it's all OK.
Well you were sortof wondering (I think) why no one cared. Because for the vast majority of people, the feature was pointless, and those who used the feature in the first place felt suckered already that they had bought into the hype of OtherOS in the first place. The removal of OtherOS was the twist of the knife that had lodged there for a year already.
And down at the bottom, this is the very reason why it should be illegal for one company to provide both hardware and software. Because they will inevitably act in an anti-competitive manner.
Maybe, but it came about because Nintendo learned from Atari how not controlling the platform led to the short-lived death of the games industry. That's why Nintendo made a big deal of the "Nintendo Seal of Quality" in the early days, because no one trusted the game makers. They wanted the locked-down console with fewer, better offerings.
History lost a lot of reputation with their academically bogus Ancient Aliens stuff,
Oh right, the Hysterical Channel. I miss the Hitler Channel. And that Modern Marvels show was pretty good a decade ago, and they did a pretty nice Hatfield/McCoy special. Now it's "History made today," an excuse for them to air reality shows. Ax Men, Ice Road Truckers, Swamp People.
It's really too early to tell, but it seems like they're taking this way too well and keep mentioning they're next adventure.
It's possible that they're going to star in their own show that Discovery is not willing to announce yet.
I have seen over and over again that if you're an idiot if you publicly burn your bridges. It gets you nothing save maybe five minutes of feeling better for ranting, and it's a black mark that prospective casting directors and producers will see when you throw public shitstorms about -business- that happens on nearly every production.
All of your relationships must be based on lies. Everyone judges everyone else. Also your idea of "decency" is just an opinion. That must suck for you to realise that your entire life is a sham.
Or maybe most of us actually want to communicate in a more positive, less cynical way than an asshole posting AC on an Internet forum.
On the average, people didn't make it past their 40's,
For much of human history, that has not been true. Sure, the average may have been in the 40s, but once you reached adulthood, you had a pretty good chance of reaching your 60s and 70s.
Even the latter part of Season 2 was pretty terrible, though it DID have some excellent episodes (like the Borg episode, that one where Starfleet wants to take Data off the ship and disassemble him). I don't think it really got better until they added Jeri Taylor and Ronald D. Moore at the start of the third season.
Poor Denise Crosby. Her character was really poorly written; I don't blame her for not seeing a future in the show. However, as she showed a few times when she returned as a guest on the show... she may have been one of the worse actor/actresses on the show at the time as well. I'm not sure she would really have blossomed like most of the others did if she stuck with it.
What other shows? Do you expect Discovery will put up anything.. ANYTHING better? I don't, that network has slid into the abyss. It's as bad as TLC and the History Channel.
One of my husband and I's very favorite myths is one of the simplest, and it's one of the ones you can do at home too: Phone Book Friction, asking if you interleave the pages of two phone books together, can you pull them apart again?
The answer (spoilers ahead): Yes, but it takes a great amount of force. Even two cars couldn't pull them apart. It was a simple myth where everyone, hosts included, thought it wouldn't take that much force -- they're just two phone books! The episode was excellently paced as they tried test after test, each time upping the ante until finally they used two TANKS to finally separate the phone books!
This is the main problem with consoles: When you buy one, and you buy a bunch of games, you don't own squat
Oh, you own it, and you own it completely. After all, no one HAD to upgrade the system BIOS to the version that disabled OtherOS. What people need to know if they can only count on being able to do what they can do NOW. They can not count that future games will be playable, at least not without a lot of nasty strings attached.
counts on people not reading or not understanding their EULA. If people knew what they were actually agreeing to, I'm not sure there would be nearly as many consoles sold. But clearly people don't care, until they do
They usually don't care because it doesn't affect them. Weird, short-lived reports from Sony that researchers were using them in clusters did not affect the average gamer. Those researchers didn't lose out, either, since they didn't upgrade the BIOS. They just used the machine like they always had.
The removal of OtherOS didn't affect the average gamer, it only affected a very small group of people who installed Yellowdog Linux out of curiosity. I was one of those who did so -- a year later, I didn't particularly care that the feature was removed, because as everyone else who tried it discovered, OtherOS sucked. The hypervisor, which can't be worked around, locked out much of the hardware. Want to use it as a cool games emulator? Good idea! But since the hypervisor has always restricted the RSX, the PS3 runs much slower than your standard HTPC, and has almost no graphics acceleration.
It's only been recently that some exploits with specific hypervisor versions have allowed the Linux kernel to boot in "game mode," unlocking full graphics acceleration, but that's not a Sony feature and wasn't available through OtherOS.
OtherOS always sucked because Sony was scared it would lead to pirated games or homebrew games that competed with their own offerings, so they crippled it from the very start.
Every once in awhile, the PS3 will get in a state where it can't pair with the bluetooth devices it'd already paired with. No wireless dualshock controller, no blu-ray remote control. It just can't sense devices anymore. The only way around this is to power off the PS3. Not "system off" which puts the system into low-power mode, but to flip the power switch on the back. Turn it back on again, Bluetooth works.
Poking around online reveals many people with the same problem, and Sony's never put out a firmware fix for it.
I find it very telling that even you, who seems to enjoy the movie much more than I do, refer to the characters as Bullock and Clooney
Oh, I liked it, but I just saw it once. And since their are only two characters in the movie they rarely refer to themselves by name, and for half the movie, Mission Specialist Ryan Stone (oh, I do remember that) is alone, so no one else says her name. I think Sandra Bullock was the perfect choice and have a hard time seeing another actress in there, but Clooney was pretty replaceable.
But mostly I referred to them in that way because you did. I just use the same context I'm given.
Him dicking around in a MMU at the beginning of the film, just wasting fuel? This wouldn't happen
Mmm, been awhile so I don't remember the scene too clearly, but I thought they mentioned he was test driving it -- a new model, testing it out was pretty much the reason he had it in the first place.
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Documentation? Good lord, a new Linux package which contains documentation? That would be a miracle indeed.
It's looking more and more like that was a really poorly-thought-out attempt at misdirection.
I think he -should- have said "The FBI has tremendous credibility with most of them."
I love that "Teach the Controversy" t-shirt line, and was curious for awhile why a teapot was one of the designs. Thanks!
+2 Insightful on a trollish anon? Nice. So, this is SlashFark, now?
+2 insightful in his identification of what a shitty conspiracy usually relies on, and why the parent fit that model.
Napa would be considered Bay Area. Even Santa Rosa, northwest of there, is often thought of as "Northern Bay Area."
Dear moderators, this should be +1, Informative, not -1, Troll, thanks. It wasn't an insulting most, merely a statement of fact.
I don't know if I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say, but it sounds to me like one should expect to wait until all desirable games for a given console have been released before buying the console because otherwise, one runs the risk of having the ability to run games released after the purchase of the console taken away.
Maybe, the point I was trying to make was that PSN didn't just immediately shut off OtherOS, it came through an agreement that the end user had to agree to. If they didn't do THAT, I think they would have been quite open to legal liability. As it played out, making it user choice (OtherOS + current games vs no OtherOS + current/future games) made Sony a lot safer in the courts. There's still a class action suit around, but the courts have weighed in Sony's favor in other cases.
So, you're saying that as long as they screw a few people, but not the average gamer, then it's all OK.
Well you were sortof wondering (I think) why no one cared. Because for the vast majority of people, the feature was pointless, and those who used the feature in the first place felt suckered already that they had bought into the hype of OtherOS in the first place. The removal of OtherOS was the twist of the knife that had lodged there for a year already.
And down at the bottom, this is the very reason why it should be illegal for one company to provide both hardware and software. Because they will inevitably act in an anti-competitive manner.
Maybe, but it came about because Nintendo learned from Atari how not controlling the platform led to the short-lived death of the games industry. That's why Nintendo made a big deal of the "Nintendo Seal of Quality" in the early days, because no one trusted the game makers. They wanted the locked-down console with fewer, better offerings.
History lost a lot of reputation with their academically bogus Ancient Aliens stuff,
Oh right, the Hysterical Channel.
I miss the Hitler Channel. And that Modern Marvels show was pretty good a decade ago, and they did a pretty nice Hatfield/McCoy special.
Now it's "History made today," an excuse for them to air reality shows. Ax Men, Ice Road Truckers, Swamp People.
It's really too early to tell, but it seems like they're taking this way too well and keep mentioning they're next adventure.
It's possible that they're going to star in their own show that Discovery is not willing to announce yet.
I have seen over and over again that if you're an idiot if you publicly burn your bridges. It gets you nothing save maybe five minutes of feeling better for ranting, and it's a black mark that prospective casting directors and producers will see when you throw public shitstorms about -business- that happens on nearly every production.
All of your relationships must be based on lies. Everyone judges everyone else. Also your idea of "decency" is just an opinion. That must suck for you to realise that your entire life is a sham.
Or maybe most of us actually want to communicate in a more positive, less cynical way than an asshole posting AC on an Internet forum.
Tori was "the muscle." Not saying he wasn't smart, because he seemed to be genuinely curious and excited.
On the average, people didn't make it past their 40's,
For much of human history, that has not been true. Sure, the average may have been in the 40s, but once you reached adulthood, you had a pretty good chance of reaching your 60s and 70s.
Departures are never amicable.
That's... a really sweeping, untrue statement. Good lord.
What are you talking about? Clip shows are always great, and everyone says "this will be great" on finding out they're about to watch a clip show.
Even the latter part of Season 2 was pretty terrible, though it DID have some excellent episodes (like the Borg episode, that one where Starfleet wants to take Data off the ship and disassemble him). I don't think it really got better until they added Jeri Taylor and Ronald D. Moore at the start of the third season.
Poor Denise Crosby. Her character was really poorly written; I don't blame her for not seeing a future in the show. However, as she showed a few times when she returned as a guest on the show... she may have been one of the worse actor/actresses on the show at the time as well. I'm not sure she would really have blossomed like most of the others did if she stuck with it.
Waste of time better spent on other shows.
What other shows? Do you expect Discovery will put up anything.. ANYTHING better? I don't, that network has slid into the abyss. It's as bad as TLC and the History Channel.
It can happen. Mythbusters seems like an oasis in the desert. Granted these days the water there is fairly muddy, but it's still decent.
Judging from the promos you see during Mythbusters, and Discovery Channel seems like a total wasteland now.
Nope. Engineering is the application of the results of Science.
Is that not a part of what we call "applied science" as opposed to "research science" or theoretical science?
Yep, I admit I am an asshole, but I get hotter women than you ever will.
When you conveniently limit hotness to women you were able to bag, then that's an easy claim to make.
Redheads are hot.
I'd like to see a lot more smaller myths tackled
One of my husband and I's very favorite myths is one of the simplest, and it's one of the ones you can do at home too: Phone Book Friction, asking if you interleave the pages of two phone books together, can you pull them apart again?
The answer (spoilers ahead): Yes, but it takes a great amount of force. Even two cars couldn't pull them apart. It was a simple myth where everyone, hosts included, thought it wouldn't take that much force -- they're just two phone books! The episode was excellently paced as they tried test after test, each time upping the ante until finally they used two TANKS to finally separate the phone books!
This is the main problem with consoles: When you buy one, and you buy a bunch of games, you don't own squat
Oh, you own it, and you own it completely. After all, no one HAD to upgrade the system BIOS to the version that disabled OtherOS. What people need to know if they can only count on being able to do what they can do NOW. They can not count that future games will be playable, at least not without a lot of nasty strings attached.
counts on people not reading or not understanding their EULA. If people knew what they were actually agreeing to, I'm not sure there would be nearly as many consoles sold. But clearly people don't care, until they do
They usually don't care because it doesn't affect them. Weird, short-lived reports from Sony that researchers were using them in clusters did not affect the average gamer. Those researchers didn't lose out, either, since they didn't upgrade the BIOS. They just used the machine like they always had.
The removal of OtherOS didn't affect the average gamer, it only affected a very small group of people who installed Yellowdog Linux out of curiosity. I was one of those who did so -- a year later, I didn't particularly care that the feature was removed, because as everyone else who tried it discovered, OtherOS sucked. The hypervisor, which can't be worked around, locked out much of the hardware. Want to use it as a cool games emulator? Good idea! But since the hypervisor has always restricted the RSX, the PS3 runs much slower than your standard HTPC, and has almost no graphics acceleration.
It's only been recently that some exploits with specific hypervisor versions have allowed the Linux kernel to boot in "game mode," unlocking full graphics acceleration, but that's not a Sony feature and wasn't available through OtherOS.
OtherOS always sucked because Sony was scared it would lead to pirated games or homebrew games that competed with their own offerings, so they crippled it from the very start.
Every once in awhile, the PS3 will get in a state where it can't pair with the bluetooth devices it'd already paired with. No wireless dualshock controller, no blu-ray remote control. It just can't sense devices anymore. The only way around this is to power off the PS3. Not "system off" which puts the system into low-power mode, but to flip the power switch on the back. Turn it back on again, Bluetooth works.
Poking around online reveals many people with the same problem, and Sony's never put out a firmware fix for it.
I find it very telling that even you, who seems to enjoy the movie much more than I do, refer to the characters as Bullock and Clooney
Oh, I liked it, but I just saw it once. And since their are only two characters in the movie they rarely refer to themselves by name, and for half the movie, Mission Specialist Ryan Stone (oh, I do remember that) is alone, so no one else says her name. I think Sandra Bullock was the perfect choice and have a hard time seeing another actress in there, but Clooney was pretty replaceable.
But mostly I referred to them in that way because you did. I just use the same context I'm given.
Him dicking around in a MMU at the beginning of the film, just wasting fuel? This wouldn't happen
Mmm, been awhile so I don't remember the scene too clearly, but I thought they mentioned he was test driving it -- a new model, testing it out was pretty much the reason he had it in the first place.