Look, I love being politically correct as much as most left-wing Europeans, but anyone who yells "Allahu Akbar" ("God is great") and then presses the button counts as a religious fanatic in my book.
I didn't say they were atheists and a faithful person commiting an act of martyrdom will supplicate to their $deity for mercy. To look at it from yet another angle, think about theis: are porn stars christian fanatics for yelling "oh god!" when they come?
nut jobs who think strapping explosive to themselves is a way into heaven and 72 virgins via martyrdom
Usually the promise of the martyr's family's safety and prosperity, as being something tangible, is a much greater incentive than any hypothetical harem in the afterlife. And those 72 virgins are an urban legend that is used to make saboteurs into religious fanatics they aren't. Most of the bomb attacks are not even suicidal, but it sounds exciting and western "civilizations" are suckers for gore.
I don't understand you "erratum" comment, by the way: do you truly think only Jews suffered persecution during the Second World War?
On the contrary, (which, because of my sarcastic tone may be obscure) as I'm Polish. Erratum means (roughly) a correction to unedited and printed mistake.
Listen, you hypocrite, accusing me of dishonesty and claiming your open-mindedness, critical thinking and pursuit of evidence contradicting your hypotheses:
As a scientist we're trained to try and find ways to falsify our existing view, and receive the counter-evidence with an *open mind*.
And after you explain to yourself and admit that "wiping Israel from the face of the Earth" is a fabrication by right-wing nuts and Fox-grade sources (finding the correct sources for that I leave to you as an exercise in honesty) and properly apologizing to me for what you've accused me of, you may hope I'll reconsider who to regard you as. So far, you've presented no evidence to support your claims, which are based on nothing more than hearsay, or to contradict what I've said and shown. To add to injury, you also insulted me with accusations of lying and dilettantism, so it's you who spews unfounded crap and uses fallacious nonsense and dishonest tactics (ad hominem, ad personam, ad verecundiam, ad ignorantiam, ad auditorem).
I was actually talking about the victims of the (so called by the US and Israeli press) "Polish" concentration camps. There the toll was lower but still blood-curdling.
Others spread a different lie. That the 6 million Jews were the only victims of the Holocaust. Never a few million other nationalities systematically murdered and burned or converted to soap.
Wow! That is the biggest mis-informed rant I've seen on Slashdot in a long time.
Self-conceited verbiage.
I would call "Troll" if it wasn't for the fact you probably actually believe some of the crap you are espousing. Very, very sad in this day and age when a trvial investigation from trusted sources of the Web would reveal most of your rant to be incorrect
Right back at you.
- of course, you will selectively cherry-pick from the fringe to reinforce your pre-concieved (and incorrect) notions
Baseless and ad personam. Hypocrite.
Like I said, I've been there on the ground for real - have you?
Irrelevant - I have info from those who live there.
I cross-check my facts rather than rely only on my recollection.
Doesn't show, really.
to the Israelis (not all of whom are either Jews or Zionists, although you treat them all identically)
To unquestioning apologists and the chauvinistic genocidal sacred-cows.
First of all. No need to call me an idiot. It makes you look totally unreasonable.
Indeed, "raving lunatic" would be much closer. And no, it doesn't.
Plus, I have a PhD in Astrophysics so on relative terms I could call you the same thing
No, really, you've just proven my point. You could have 3 PhDs, Fields Medal and a Nobel and still be deficient. It's not unheard of and you're playing dirty tricks Schopenhauer wrote about.
Second. One of the things you are wrong about is that the Israelis did not get their purported nukes from the US. They have a research facilty at Dimona and Merdechai Vanunu spilt the beans on.
Yes they did just after 1948, when they got their new "state" up there. The US furbished them with all kinds of military equipment INCLUDING nukes in case Russians required some quick heating. That they have that facility is another issue that should mandate an IAEA investigation and some international sanctions, but the Israelis are sacred cows so what the hell. Let them.
So, you are clearly misinformed and making stuff up in your own head to suit your preconception.
No, I just remember some history and you're accusing me of lying/confabulation here, asshole. Also, I've talked to Jews, Arabs (i.e. from the Saudi Arabia and the UAE), Syrians, Persians (i.e. Iranians), Hindus, Pakistanis, Palestinians, Egyptians, Americans and (puke) US citizens - both religious and atheistic. See, I'm from where all these folks [can] come to study and I do have an open, inquisitive mind.
Third. If the Israelis really wanted to attack Iran it would have already happened. Years ago. They are trying not to attack Iran but folks like you don't get it all all.
No, they wouldn't, because they would lose their immunity forever. What folks like you don't get is that aside from the US's cold war agenda there was "religulous" extremism that placed Israel on the map at that spot in 1948. The initial place was further South near Sudan IIRC and should have been in either America (Argentina or the US). But hey, thet was their "promised land" which they had lost 2000 years before and they wanted that back.
You always blame the Israelis because it fits your preconceived world view - and no matter what facts I come up with (or a recollection of my travels as a neutral throughout the Middle East - I've been on the ground there and seen what's going on for myself). For myself I try and collect facts and then assign blame where the facts take me.
"Facts." You keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means. Let me give you some facts. The Israelis are waiting for the Messiah. Yes. They seem to have a "secular democracy" over there, but so does the US. That doesn't mean they don't have xenophobes and chauvinists in the government who won't blink before calling eradication of Islam[ic regimes] a mission from YHWH. Their history says so. The first time Israel was established it was by way of genocide. Hebrews were barbarians when Egyptians and Babylonians were developed beyond what Jews could even start to imagine - because of their religion. And even that very foundation of their "tradition" is plagiarized from Egyptians. Then they lost their state and all autonomy because they wouldn'tappreciate their autonomy under the Imperial guidance.
Sure, the Israelis do a lot of dumb and bad things (settlers, ugh!) but it is pretty clear that Iran possessing nuclear weapons is a very, very dangerous thing for everyone. Once you understand how the Iranian government factions work (do you?) then you'll understand that once they get nukes there will be a lot more trouble in the Middle East than now. Do you want that? Is your preconcieved notion of Israel as the Bad Guy so strong that you'
Israeli policy is to use all means in self-defence (since they never acknowledge whether they have nukes or not) if WMD have been used against them. In short they have stated a posture of strategic deterrence in the hope that enemies are smart enough never to try.
Who the fuck are you? Netanyahu?
First of all, since they don't make it clear that they in fact do have nukes, which they got from the US, why isn't the IAEA all over their backs investigating dilligently?
Second of all, what do you think they want to move with this, leaflets?
You mean Washington, DC? Because you can't do half of the things with direct current that are possible with AC. And I don't mean Anonymous Cowards. AND DC is in fact way more dangerous than AC, especially if the AC frequency is very high.
Religious freak dreaming about 72 virgins in paradise or authoritarian regime on brink of collapse is not something reasonable.
And genocidal fundamentalist regime of Israel declaring Palestinians are less than animals, dropping Mtons of bombs on Lebanon and threatening Europe with nuclear strike lest they decline to support Israel in a potential conflict is reasonable, right?
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Look, I love being politically correct as much as most left-wing Europeans, but anyone who yells "Allahu Akbar" ("God is great") and then presses the button counts as a religious fanatic in my book.
I didn't say they were atheists and a faithful person commiting an act of martyrdom will supplicate to their $deity for mercy. To look at it from yet another angle, think about theis: are porn stars christian fanatics for yelling "oh god!" when they come?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
nut jobs who think strapping explosive to themselves is a way into heaven and 72 virgins via martyrdom
Usually the promise of the martyr's family's safety and prosperity, as being something tangible, is a much greater incentive than any hypothetical harem in the afterlife. And those 72 virgins are an urban legend that is used to make saboteurs into religious fanatics they aren't. Most of the bomb attacks are not even suicidal, but it sounds exciting and western "civilizations" are suckers for gore.
And GP and GGP are the same person.
I don't understand you "erratum" comment, by the way: do you truly think only Jews suffered persecution during the Second World War?
On the contrary, (which, because of my sarcastic tone may be obscure) as I'm Polish. Erratum means (roughly) a correction to unedited and printed mistake.
As a scientist we're trained to try and find ways to falsify our existing view, and receive the counter-evidence with an *open mind*.
Start here and proceed through this.
And after you explain to yourself and admit that "wiping Israel from the face of the Earth" is a fabrication by right-wing nuts and Fox-grade sources (finding the correct sources for that I leave to you as an exercise in honesty) and properly apologizing to me for what you've accused me of, you may hope I'll reconsider who to regard you as. So far, you've presented no evidence to support your claims, which are based on nothing more than hearsay, or to contradict what I've said and shown. To add to injury, you also insulted me with accusations of lying and dilettantism, so it's you who spews unfounded crap and uses fallacious nonsense and dishonest tactics (ad hominem, ad personam, ad verecundiam, ad ignorantiam, ad auditorem).
Oh, and finally, YOUR MOTHER!
I was actually talking about the victims of the (so called by the US and Israeli press) "Polish" concentration camps. There the toll was lower but still blood-curdling.
No, but they sure wish to try. Talk about adequacy...
Never mind a few million people of other nationalities[...]
Others spread a different lie. That the 6 million Jews were the only victims of the Holocaust. Never a few million other nationalities systematically murdered and burned or converted to soap.
Wow! That is the biggest mis-informed rant I've seen on Slashdot in a long time.
Self-conceited verbiage.
I would call "Troll" if it wasn't for the fact you probably actually believe some of the crap you are espousing. Very, very sad in this day and age when a trvial investigation from trusted sources of the Web would reveal most of your rant to be incorrect
Right back at you.
- of course, you will selectively cherry-pick from the fringe to reinforce your pre-concieved (and incorrect) notions
Baseless and ad personam. Hypocrite.
Like I said, I've been there on the ground for real - have you?
Irrelevant - I have info from those who live there.
I cross-check my facts rather than rely only on my recollection.
Doesn't show, really.
to the Israelis (not all of whom are either Jews or Zionists, although you treat them all identically)
To unquestioning apologists and the chauvinistic genocidal sacred-cows.
[B]atteries are starting to be chipped/locked, but so far, I've not seen power sources be locked.
I bet we'll see that soon, though.
Where I live, we have this law, which I don't see why couldn't be expanded soon. I think the US has some goal set with the lock-up business.
First of all. No need to call me an idiot. It makes you look totally unreasonable.
Indeed, "raving lunatic" would be much closer. And no, it doesn't.
Plus, I have a PhD in Astrophysics so on relative terms I could call you the same thing
No, really, you've just proven my point. You could have 3 PhDs, Fields Medal and a Nobel and still be deficient. It's not unheard of and you're playing dirty tricks Schopenhauer wrote about.
Second. One of the things you are wrong about is that the Israelis did not get their purported nukes from the US. They have a research facilty at Dimona and Merdechai Vanunu spilt the beans on.
Yes they did just after 1948, when they got their new "state" up there. The US furbished them with all kinds of military equipment INCLUDING nukes in case Russians required some quick heating. That they have that facility is another issue that should mandate an IAEA investigation and some international sanctions, but the Israelis are sacred cows so what the hell. Let them.
So, you are clearly misinformed and making stuff up in your own head to suit your preconception.
No, I just remember some history and you're accusing me of lying/confabulation here, asshole. Also, I've talked to Jews, Arabs (i.e. from the Saudi Arabia and the UAE), Syrians, Persians (i.e. Iranians), Hindus, Pakistanis, Palestinians, Egyptians, Americans and (puke) US citizens - both religious and atheistic. See, I'm from where all these folks [can] come to study and I do have an open, inquisitive mind.
Third. If the Israelis really wanted to attack Iran it would have already happened. Years ago. They are trying not to attack Iran but folks like you don't get it all all.
No, they wouldn't, because they would lose their immunity forever. What folks like you don't get is that aside from the US's cold war agenda there was "religulous" extremism that placed Israel on the map at that spot in 1948. The initial place was further South near Sudan IIRC and should have been in either America (Argentina or the US). But hey, thet was their "promised land" which they had lost 2000 years before and they wanted that back.
You always blame the Israelis because it fits your preconceived world view - and no matter what facts I come up with (or a recollection of my travels as a neutral throughout the Middle East - I've been on the ground there and seen what's going on for myself). For myself I try and collect facts and then assign blame where the facts take me.
"Facts." You keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means. Let me give you some facts. The Israelis are waiting for the Messiah. Yes. They seem to have a "secular democracy" over there, but so does the US. That doesn't mean they don't have xenophobes and chauvinists in the government who won't blink before calling eradication of Islam[ic regimes] a mission from YHWH. Their history says so. The first time Israel was established it was by way of genocide. Hebrews were barbarians when Egyptians and Babylonians were developed beyond what Jews could even start to imagine - because of their religion. And even that very foundation of their "tradition" is plagiarized from Egyptians. Then they lost their state and all autonomy because they wouldn't appreciate their autonomy under the Imperial guidance.
Sure, the Israelis do a lot of dumb and bad things (settlers, ugh!) but it is pretty clear that Iran possessing nuclear weapons is a very, very dangerous thing for everyone. Once you understand how the Iranian government factions work (do you?) then you'll understand that once they get nukes there will be a lot more trouble in the Middle East than now. Do you want that? Is your preconcieved notion of Israel as the Bad Guy so strong that you'
Saudi Arabia was one of those Terrorist sponsor states
FTFY
Sorry to barge in with an on-topic post, but I'd like to direct you (all) to a post from 2011-12-06. Somebody fucking stole my idea!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3DIrXd33SI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWfwK3Xc_Y4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfQu5HFZQPY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmLB77-dwsc
Etcaetera... you zionist shill
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. — 1 stone.
Ok, but one condition.
From now on I get to pound your house with ill-aimed rockets aimed at you, your kids, your wife, your girlfriend.
Let me first take your house away from you and move in, OK? Then the conditions would start looking somewhat similar.
Israeli policy is to use all means in self-defence (since they never acknowledge whether they have nukes or not) if WMD have been used against them. In short they have stated a posture of strategic deterrence in the hope that enemies are smart enough never to try.
Who the fuck are you? Netanyahu?
First of all, since they don't make it clear that they in fact do have nukes, which they got from the US, why isn't the IAEA all over their backs investigating dilligently?
Second of all, what do you think they want to move with this, leaflets?
To help you out: they feel the should attack Iran first and let someone else ask questions later.
Idiot.
So was Iraq.
Well, last time Iran had a legitimate democracy, the UK and the US said, "HELL NO!" and 1953 happened.
Palestinians can't establish own state without going into civil war.
Well, they had elections, but the genocidal maniacs from Israel didn't like the result.
Yep, that's why every single device in my house has an AC/DC converter, to convert that superior AC to something that they can actually fucking use.
That includes heaters and light bulbs, I presume?
You mean Washington, DC? Because you can't do half of the things with direct current that are possible with AC. And I don't mean Anonymous Cowards. AND DC is in fact way more dangerous than AC, especially if the AC frequency is very high.
I think
Certainly not.
Religious freak dreaming about 72 virgins in paradise or authoritarian regime on brink of collapse is not something reasonable.
And genocidal fundamentalist regime of Israel declaring Palestinians are less than animals, dropping Mtons of bombs on Lebanon and threatening Europe with nuclear strike lest they decline to support Israel in a potential conflict is reasonable, right?