Buy a fucking Mac. Do you think Steve'll let you run OS X on this machine? No. Doing so would be illegal as it states in the license for OS X that it's only to be run on Macintoshes.
Bullshit. With standard mail, I am subsidizing the junk mail. It might be the other way around if, for example, the junk mailers paid 50 cents per letter.
My mail takes around the same amount of effort to deliver as a piece of junk mail. Possibly less, as it is neatly tucked into an envelope, rather than being a messy pile of glossy paper. Tell me how exactly they subsidize my mail! For accuracy and cost, most small nations, Japan, Canada and many European countries have us beat.
Your logic is messed up, but you already knew that, which was why you posted as an AC.
Windows, by virtue of its market share, is simply a more popular target.
I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Windows is undisputedly the most popular platform for viruses, worms, and trojans. It isn't because of the sheer popularity of Windows, it's because Windows is, from a technical standpoint, an easy target. The default configuration is wide open, with services running that I would guess less than 10% of XP users take advantage of. In addition to that, Internet Exploder caters more to hostile HTML coders than anything else. Outlook Express (which legions of people use as their e-mail client) needs to be mentioned as the single most popular vector for worms and viruses IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF COMPUTING. The win32 API has been proven to be broken itself(see www.grc.com for a detailed explaination of this). User ignorance can only explain away the problems that Windows doesn't have already.
I never made the laughable claim that ANY OS is 100% secure. I'm not a jackass, I'm a realist. After 8 years of watching MS flail about and renew their 'dedication' to security over and over again, I'm just not buying it anymore.
I wasn't trying to be too snide, but my plan for a DNS / mail server / etc is this: FreeBSD, set it up nicely, unplug it, and put it into a back room. That way, when the client fucks something up you can say "Go into storage and get that white-box computer with SERVICES BACKUP DO NOT THROW AWAY OR MESS WITH THIS!!! written on it in permanent marker, plug it in, plug in the ethernet, and turn it on."
I seriously doubt you could be proven liable for e-mail you didn't send.
My point was more along the lines of the people who were 'fooled' into clicking the attachment. They don't know what they are doing, so there's absolutely no culpability. Right?
This is the point. If enough people use SPEWS the scummy fuckers you give your money to in exchange for hosting may feel the burn. The general consensus is this: Spammers use certain ISPs because they are permissive and even helpful for spammers. SPEWS kicks those ISPs in the nuts.
If you really want to know why you are listed, ask on the list. They aren't assholes, just stridently anti-spam.
Request testing as follows: To: retest@relays.osirusoft.com Subject: relay:a.b.c.d where a.b.c.d is the IP address you want tested.
And from the SPEWS mini-faq:
First of all, let's dispel the myths with a few facts about SPEWS:
SPEWS isn't blocking anyone.
SPEWS is NOT about open relays.
In a nutshell, the answers to your questions are this:
1) YOU aren't listed, your provider is listed. 2) YOU can't get unlisted, ONLY your provider can get unlisted 3) SPEWS does not take emails, send emails, or otherwise communicate other than their page.
If your provider is listed, your choices are: A) Live with it. B) Move C) Get your provider to boot their spammers and the listing will eventually go away.
THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO GET UNLISTED SO DON'T BOTHER ASKING! CONTACT YOUR PROVIDER! And if they claim it's something other than their own fault for ignoring complaints and continuing to harbor spammers, tell them you are leaving. Demand a refund and take your business elsewhere. They are lying to you.
Details:
SPEWS isn't blocking anyone. SPEWS is just a list of IPs owned by companies who allow their connections to be used for abuse, mostly spamming. If your provider is listed it means they are harboring spammers and ignoring complaints. That doesn't block anything or anyone. People and ISPs around the world who want to protect their networks, their servers, their users, or just their own box from abuse choose to use black hole "blacklists" such as SPEWS as a reference guide. Each of these individuals and companies who choose to use SPEWS' list are doing the blocking. If your email is bouncing based on a SPEWS listing, it's because the person or the ISP on the other end is blocking your emails, not SPEWS.
SPEWS is NOT about open relays. If you got the idea that your email is blocked because of an open relay issue, you are most likely wrong if you were referred to SPEWS. SPEWS isn't a list of open relays. SPEWS is a list of IP addresses owned by providers who harbor spammers.
All I want to do is increase the cost for the USPS. Those fuckers let businesses bulk mail you and pay just under a tenth of a cent per letter. I sit here and get raped paying fucking 39 cents per stamp.
You are fooling yourself with specious reasoning. It's much tougher to make a virus for OS X or Linux than it is for Windows. It's because of this that we see more Windows viruses than any other reason. Any OS has design flaws, but none approach the retardedness of Windows.
God, you should give your kid some oregano and tell him to make his tuition by selling it as grass. Sounds like these kids aren't just dumb enough to smoke it, they're dumb enough to get really high in the process!
Maybe you're unclear how University education works. They teach Microsoft there. You have to pass the intro and mid level computer science classes before they even teach you about anything other than Codewarrior.
The lack of viruses for your platform is PURELY due to popularity, whether you want to believe it or not, not due to some magical super-special secret virus resistance inherent to your OS.
Do you teach a specious reasoning class or what? OS X is simply more secure any way you slice it! Claiming that the only reason that viruses target Windows is because there are more Windows users than anyone else makes you sound like a jackass. Maybe next time post as an AC?
I consider Linux and/or BSD as the best for most backbone/critical services/systems, but MS Windows to backup the backbone/critical.
Thank god you don't design airplanes.
"Yeah, we have a totally automated deicing system! It's the latest technology, a kevlar reinforced balloon, inflated by a temperature regulated titanium pump! The backup system, of course, is a spray-bottle of alcohol marked 'keep filled'!"
Three weeks. It was three weeks from the time they offered a patch to the time the virus hit.
I know of somebody who ran Windows Update a week before the virus hit, installed all the 'critical' updates, and still got infected. Turns out the update didn't take for some reason, quietly wrote this in a log file somewhere, and didn't inform him with a dialog box or anything. I don't know about you guys, but I don't have time to read log files every time windows reboots.
I would agree with you. Microsoft would be taking advantage of their monopoly. This hasn't ever stopped them from doing anything before, and when the DOJ is told to roll over and play dead by the administration, nothing will stop them (except maybe the EU).
Right. So if somebody clicks an attachment, and suddenly unleashes a virus that turns off a traffic signal, and a busload of children die a screaming fiery death, they aren't liable. They didn't understand what a virus is!
It's the same way when you find a loaded gun and pull the trigger, accidentally shooting the driver of a busload of children, who then die a screaming fiery death. As long as you are ignorant of what a gun does, you aren't liable!
A+ certified techs are like the guys at Jiffy Lube - they'll change your tranny fluid, but forget to bleed the air out. You end up with only 4 quarts in the tranny instead of 8.
Next time tell your friend that you'll give 'em half off the rate you normally charge businesses. $25 bucks per virus removal. They're getting a better deal than they would at the shop, and you get the satisfaction of a job well done AND some extra pocket change.
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It flat out will not work.
Kind of like you?
Buy a fucking Mac. Do you think Steve'll let you run OS X on this machine? No. Doing so would be illegal as it states in the license for OS X that it's only to be run on Macintoshes.
Besides you don't have the right firmware.
Bullshit. With standard mail, I am subsidizing the junk mail. It might be the other way around if, for example, the junk mailers paid 50 cents per letter.
My mail takes around the same amount of effort to deliver as a piece of junk mail. Possibly less, as it is neatly tucked into an envelope, rather than being a messy pile of glossy paper. Tell me how exactly they subsidize my mail! For accuracy and cost, most small nations, Japan, Canada and many European countries have us beat.
Your logic is messed up, but you already knew that, which was why you posted as an AC.
Windows, by virtue of its market share, is simply a more popular target.
I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Windows is undisputedly the most popular platform for viruses, worms, and trojans. It isn't because of the sheer popularity of Windows, it's because Windows is, from a technical standpoint, an easy target. The default configuration is wide open, with services running that I would guess less than 10% of XP users take advantage of. In addition to that, Internet Exploder caters more to hostile HTML coders than anything else. Outlook Express (which legions of people use as their e-mail client) needs to be mentioned as the single most popular vector for worms and viruses IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF COMPUTING. The win32 API has been proven to be broken itself(see www.grc.com for a detailed explaination of this). User ignorance can only explain away the problems that Windows doesn't have already.
I never made the laughable claim that ANY OS is 100% secure. I'm not a jackass, I'm a realist. After 8 years of watching MS flail about and renew their 'dedication' to security over and over again, I'm just not buying it anymore.
Just trying to play by your rules here. I wouldn't want to strain your brain.
You also assume that Linux and OS X have the same degree of clueless users that Windows does, a laughable assumption at best.
I wasn't trying to be too snide, but my plan for a DNS / mail server / etc is this: FreeBSD, set it up nicely, unplug it, and put it into a back room. That way, when the client fucks something up you can say "Go into storage and get that white-box computer with SERVICES BACKUP DO NOT THROW AWAY OR MESS WITH THIS!!! written on it in permanent marker, plug it in, plug in the ethernet, and turn it on."
I seriously doubt you could be proven liable for e-mail you didn't send.
My point was more along the lines of the people who were 'fooled' into clicking the attachment. They don't know what they are doing, so there's absolutely no culpability. Right?
You act as if everyone is automatically guilty.
This is the point. If enough people use SPEWS the scummy fuckers you give your money to in exchange for hosting may feel the burn. The general consensus is this: Spammers use certain ISPs because they are permissive and even helpful for spammers. SPEWS kicks those ISPs in the nuts.
If you really want to know why you are listed, ask on the list. They aren't assholes, just stridently anti-spam.
Request testing as follows:
:
To: retest@relays.osirusoft.com
Subject: relay:a.b.c.d where a.b.c.d is the IP address you want tested.
And from the SPEWS mini-faq:
First of all, let's dispel the myths with a few facts about SPEWS:
SPEWS isn't blocking anyone.
SPEWS is NOT about open relays.
In a nutshell, the answers to your questions are this:
1) YOU aren't listed, your provider is listed.
2) YOU can't get unlisted, ONLY your provider can get unlisted
3) SPEWS does not take emails, send emails, or otherwise communicate other than their page.
If your provider is listed, your choices are
A) Live with it.
B) Move
C) Get your provider to boot their spammers and the listing will eventually go away.
THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO GET UNLISTED SO DON'T BOTHER ASKING! CONTACT YOUR PROVIDER! And if they claim it's something other than their own fault for ignoring complaints and continuing to harbor spammers, tell them you are leaving. Demand a refund and take your business elsewhere. They are lying to you.
Details:
SPEWS isn't blocking anyone.
SPEWS is just a list of IPs owned by companies who allow their connections to be used for abuse, mostly spamming. If your provider is listed it means they are harboring spammers and ignoring complaints. That doesn't block anything or anyone. People and ISPs around the world who want to protect their networks, their servers, their users, or just their own box from abuse choose to use black hole "blacklists" such as SPEWS as a reference guide. Each of these individuals and companies who choose to use SPEWS' list are doing the blocking. If your email is bouncing based on a SPEWS listing, it's because the person or the ISP on the other end is blocking your emails, not SPEWS.
SPEWS is NOT about open relays.
If you got the idea that your email is blocked because of an open relay issue, you are most likely wrong if you were referred to SPEWS. SPEWS isn't a list of open relays. SPEWS is a list of IP addresses owned by providers who harbor spammers.
All I want to do is increase the cost for the USPS. Those fuckers let businesses bulk mail you and pay just under a tenth of a cent per letter. I sit here and get raped paying fucking 39 cents per stamp.
More like 'I want to drive, but there are all these rules. I don't have time to learn 'em? I can just floor it!'
You are fooling yourself with specious reasoning. It's much tougher to make a virus for OS X or Linux than it is for Windows. It's because of this that we see more Windows viruses than any other reason. Any OS has design flaws, but none approach the retardedness of Windows.
No, it's tougher to make a virus for either of thos platforms over Windows. You're using specious logic.
God, you should give your kid some oregano and tell him to make his tuition by selling it as grass. Sounds like these kids aren't just dumb enough to smoke it, they're dumb enough to get really high in the process!
Maybe you're unclear how University education works. They teach Microsoft there. You have to pass the intro and mid level computer science classes before they even teach you about anything other than Codewarrior.
Users want to use computers, not administer them.
You know, I told the police the same thing the other day. I said "Officer, I don't want to understand gun safety, I just want to shoot things!"
Maybe this latest round of viruses makes my point for me - using and understanding (or learning about) computers must go hand-in-hand.
The lack of viruses for your platform is PURELY due to popularity, whether you want to believe it or not, not due to some magical super-special secret virus resistance inherent to your OS.
Do you teach a specious reasoning class or what? OS X is simply more secure any way you slice it! Claiming that the only reason that viruses target Windows is because there are more Windows users than anyone else makes you sound like a jackass. Maybe next time post as an AC?
I consider Linux and/or BSD as the best for most backbone/critical services/systems, but MS Windows to backup the backbone/critical.
Thank god you don't design airplanes.
"Yeah, we have a totally automated deicing system! It's the latest technology, a kevlar reinforced balloon, inflated by a temperature regulated titanium pump! The backup system, of course, is a spray-bottle of alcohol marked 'keep filled'!"
Three weeks. It was three weeks from the time they offered a patch to the time the virus hit.
I know of somebody who ran Windows Update a week before the virus hit, installed all the 'critical' updates, and still got infected. Turns out the update didn't take for some reason, quietly wrote this in a log file somewhere, and didn't inform him with a dialog box or anything. I don't know about you guys, but I don't have time to read log files every time windows reboots.
To be fair, he didn't mention that he was easily dominated by his fat wife, also.
Apple also offers an API to update non-Apple software using Software Update. Not that anyone uses it; that would eat into their banner ad impressions.
I would agree with you. Microsoft would be taking advantage of their monopoly. This hasn't ever stopped them from doing anything before, and when the DOJ is told to roll over and play dead by the administration, nothing will stop them (except maybe the EU).
Right. So if somebody clicks an attachment, and suddenly unleashes a virus that turns off a traffic signal, and a busload of children die a screaming fiery death, they aren't liable. They didn't understand what a virus is!
It's the same way when you find a loaded gun and pull the trigger, accidentally shooting the driver of a busload of children, who then die a screaming fiery death. As long as you are ignorant of what a gun does, you aren't liable!
A+ certified techs are like the guys at Jiffy Lube - they'll change your tranny fluid, but forget to bleed the air out. You end up with only 4 quarts in the tranny instead of 8.
Next time tell your friend that you'll give 'em half off the rate you normally charge businesses. $25 bucks per virus removal. They're getting a better deal than they would at the shop, and you get the satisfaction of a job well done AND some extra pocket change.