Where did you get your information that conversions are illegal in all states for thirty years? I will have to disagree unless you have proof, for example a written law.
Not everyone plays the games 24/7. I consider myself a gamer, but I play in moderation. I balance out the free time I have (I work in IS so that's very little free time) between, family (except my in-laws), friends, hobbies (mountain biking), games, etc...
But I can say that playing games drastically improves hand/eye coordination, and games like Myst (puzzle type games) help improve problem solving.
***reading my shopping list,
It's a flipping shopping list. Who cares?***
It has nothing to do with "IF you haven't done anything illegal, you have nothing to hide"
IT has everything to do with privacy, because your shopping list is just that, YOUR SHOPPING LIST. Not the fbi's shopping list. All you morons would change your opinion here if this was actually happening to you.
Okay I agree. I am on the Pessimistic side aren't I.
But you probably would need access to past database info for reporting purposes such as quarterly and annual reports. Our clients demand these reports from us, we couldn't tell them " oh we can't get those to you this year because now we use new operating systems".
I do agree that getting rid of Outlook would increase security a lot.
And I agree that if you are a startup company and you have been able to find all the apps that you would need that can run on Linux, it would be worth the training costs to train each incoming employee on the use of Linux and the apps. And even using it on all the servers as well.
But I don't think it is a good decision to throw away hundreds of thousands of dollars on Win apps (including all your M$ server apps) and then have to buy all new linux apps and deal with the problem of if you ever need to access the old data, and then on top of that cost to retrain your employess on the new OS and all the new apps.
"But, if you take someone who has never used a PC before, and therefore has not been tainted by Windows, and you give that person a Linux system (just for example, but could be any OS with a GUI) then you don't have to worry about their preconceived notions of how Win9x works, you show them how to perform operations w/ this machine."
Okay so your saying to fire all of your current employees and hire new ones that have never even seen a computer (where would you find these people, West Virginia maybe). And then spend tons and tons of time training them in the OS, the Apps, What the He*& e-mail is. Show them that turning the monitor off is not turning the PC off etc...
Yeah this sounds logical... Are you on something.
It is true that a lot of self proclaimed M$ experts don't know anything, but that's the case with any computing system including mainframes. I worked with a guy that said he was an expert on AS400 and after working with him discovered I knew more than he did and I only had one class during school on the AS400.
Okay so say you bite the bullet and switch out the desktops to Linux and you pay for all your employees for training and you calculate the loss of productivity for several months as users adjust and become familiar with it and speed up gradually. Now you need all new apps. That database front end won't work with Linux so hire a U*X/DB guru to design/program a new one. All the marketing graphics programs (throw em out) and all the other marketing stuff as well. Oh Accounting needs new apps to. And how do you get the old data converted and into the U*X based accounting package. Sales department next, if they had any specific sales software, get rid of it too and get new stuff. Also retrain them with e-mail because now they can't use their precious Outlook that they have come to love. And if you have any other specialized departments that have win apps, you need to replace all that as well providing there are apps that do the same job and run on Linux, also what if they need to retrieve old data from the win apps, the linux app will have to be able to import the old data into it.
So do you still think it will only slightly harm a budget? I don't think so.
Oh yeah fire your helpdesk and pc techs that you had to work on Win problems and hire "Linux experts" if you can find them in your community. If not pay someone from another town a ton of money to relocate.
Budget is in the negative at this point.
"You don't have to deal with everybodyisroot. Remote administration is easier and you have no such thing as a screwed up registry within a couple weeks."
That's weird, I mess with the registry all the time on our companies Interactive Intelligence phone system (I'm the CT admin) which runs on NT 4.0 and I have never had a screwed up registry. Maybe the ones who say their registry is screwed up all the time, need to stay out of it because they don't know what they are doing.
Oh and it's just that easy right. You just take the end users Win box from them which they get around in fairly well (they are used to it) and then set a U*X box in front of them and no problems. Bull#%#$, You can just change something small on their Win box and they get totally confused. If you switch their entire system wait and see how many helpdesk calls come pouring in on things like how do I do this now or how do I do that.
This thing that Linux or whatever U*X is the answer to everyones prayers is again Bull#@$&.
Even if you spend hours on end in training sessions with the end users they won't remember. The reason they are partially used to Win is because of the repeated use of it. After their first experience with Win boxes I am sure they had problems but then after extensive use of it they have become familiar with it.
If you switch them to U*X sure over lots of time they will get used to it, but until they do their productivity will become very slow. Do you think CEO's of companies will understand the loss of productivity so that you can put out U*X boxes that run better. If you went to a CEO with this you better have packed up your personal belongings.
Don't get me wrong here, I love Linux and use it at home instead of Win, but I am a geek and know how to work with it.
I set my parents up with a win 98 box and yes they call me to say "my screens all blue what do I do" I tell them to reboot of course (standard helpdesk answer). I would never even think about putting Linux on their machine, no matter how much custominzing I did to it they would still call with the "how do I do ______, before I would right click then so and so". I would never get any rest.
And this deal about be able to find the expertise to set up all these pc's, sure you can find them, but it's a lot easier finding IT people that know M$ stuff because it is so widely used.
Maybe he decided that being able to send his children to college would be a good thing. If you have a money tree, can you mail me some seeds, because you sound like you have one.
"Employers should not be in the business of subsidizing lifestyle choices."
If they are interested in keeping good employees from going else where for More money, less travel time to work, etc... they will..
I am in charge of a computer telephony system where I work and I am the only one hear that knows it. My company has spent about $18,000 in my training for this system. Their our other companies near us using the same system that pay more, My wife is pregnant currently. If my company doesn't offer more money, childcare or something like that I will definently leave to go get more money elsewhere.
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Aghh, my career has gone to shit.... wait a minute.... where's my spare electronics parts box...
..Apple sued NFL for having called "Ipad" a Microsoft Surface tablet.
I believe they are filling today
Damn, I sprayed mountain dew out my nose reading that. Funny...
Damn those pesky gay martians.
Well I can tell a lot of geeks don't know squat about the automotive world.
Where did you get your information that conversions are illegal in all states for thirty years? I will have to disagree unless you have proof, for example a written law.
Not everyone plays the games 24/7. I consider myself a gamer, but I play in moderation. I balance out the free time I have (I work in IS so that's very little free time) between, family (except my in-laws), friends, hobbies (mountain biking), games, etc...
But I can say that playing games drastically improves hand/eye coordination, and games like Myst (puzzle type games) help improve problem solving.
EMINEM. That guys a moron and a half.
"They were talking about that at least as early as next year."
Wow I didn't know that news from next year was considered old, I would have thought next years news would be considered future news.
"You got your Cell Phone in my Visor"
"You got your Visor in my Cell Phone"
"Two great tastes that taste great together"
Hey if you would follow those links you would see that it's authentication, and not authentification. Jeez take the time to read.
Duh,, if you follow da links duh... Can you say anything useful, probably not.
That's funny....
I had a WWIV BBS. Did anyone else here use WWIV for their BBS?
I got linux to run on a bottle of Bud Ice...
***reading my shopping list,
It's a flipping shopping list. Who cares?***
It has nothing to do with "IF you haven't done anything illegal, you have nothing to hide"
IT has everything to do with privacy, because your shopping list is just that, YOUR SHOPPING LIST. Not the fbi's shopping list. All you morons would change your opinion here if this was actually happening to you.
Okay I agree. I am on the Pessimistic side aren't I.
But you probably would need access to past database info for reporting purposes such as quarterly and annual reports. Our clients demand these reports from us, we couldn't tell them " oh we can't get those to you this year because now we use new operating systems".
I do agree that getting rid of Outlook would increase security a lot.
And I agree that if you are a startup company and you have been able to find all the apps that you would need that can run on Linux, it would be worth the training costs to train each incoming employee on the use of Linux and the apps. And even using it on all the servers as well.
But I don't think it is a good decision to throw away hundreds of thousands of dollars on Win apps (including all your M$ server apps) and then have to buy all new linux apps and deal with the problem of if you ever need to access the old data, and then on top of that cost to retrain your employess on the new OS and all the new apps.
Do you agree with this?
"But, if you take someone who has never used a PC before, and therefore has not been tainted by Windows, and you give that person a Linux system (just for example, but could be any OS with a GUI) then you don't have to worry about their preconceived notions of how Win9x works, you show them how to perform operations w/ this machine." Okay so your saying to fire all of your current employees and hire new ones that have never even seen a computer (where would you find these people, West Virginia maybe). And then spend tons and tons of time training them in the OS, the Apps, What the He*& e-mail is. Show them that turning the monitor off is not turning the PC off etc... Yeah this sounds logical... Are you on something.
It is true that a lot of self proclaimed M$ experts don't know anything, but that's the case with any computing system including mainframes. I worked with a guy that said he was an expert on AS400 and after working with him discovered I knew more than he did and I only had one class during school on the AS400. Okay so say you bite the bullet and switch out the desktops to Linux and you pay for all your employees for training and you calculate the loss of productivity for several months as users adjust and become familiar with it and speed up gradually. Now you need all new apps. That database front end won't work with Linux so hire a U*X/DB guru to design/program a new one. All the marketing graphics programs (throw em out) and all the other marketing stuff as well. Oh Accounting needs new apps to. And how do you get the old data converted and into the U*X based accounting package. Sales department next, if they had any specific sales software, get rid of it too and get new stuff. Also retrain them with e-mail because now they can't use their precious Outlook that they have come to love. And if you have any other specialized departments that have win apps, you need to replace all that as well providing there are apps that do the same job and run on Linux, also what if they need to retrieve old data from the win apps, the linux app will have to be able to import the old data into it. So do you still think it will only slightly harm a budget? I don't think so. Oh yeah fire your helpdesk and pc techs that you had to work on Win problems and hire "Linux experts" if you can find them in your community. If not pay someone from another town a ton of money to relocate. Budget is in the negative at this point.
Excellent explaination. Hit the nail on the head
"You don't have to deal with everybodyisroot. Remote administration is easier and you have no such thing as a screwed up registry within a couple weeks." That's weird, I mess with the registry all the time on our companies Interactive Intelligence phone system (I'm the CT admin) which runs on NT 4.0 and I have never had a screwed up registry. Maybe the ones who say their registry is screwed up all the time, need to stay out of it because they don't know what they are doing.
Oh and it's just that easy right. You just take the end users Win box from them which they get around in fairly well (they are used to it) and then set a U*X box in front of them and no problems. Bull#%#$, You can just change something small on their Win box and they get totally confused. If you switch their entire system wait and see how many helpdesk calls come pouring in on things like how do I do this now or how do I do that.
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This thing that Linux or whatever U*X is the answer to everyones prayers is again Bull#@$&.
Even if you spend hours on end in training sessions with the end users they won't remember. The reason they are partially used to Win is because of the repeated use of it. After their first experience with Win boxes I am sure they had problems but then after extensive use of it they have become familiar with it.
If you switch them to U*X sure over lots of time they will get used to it, but until they do their productivity will become very slow. Do you think CEO's of companies will understand the loss of productivity so that you can put out U*X boxes that run better. If you went to a CEO with this you better have packed up your personal belongings.
Don't get me wrong here, I love Linux and use it at home instead of Win, but I am a geek and know how to work with it.
I set my parents up with a win 98 box and yes they call me to say "my screens all blue what do I do" I tell them to reboot of course (standard helpdesk answer). I would never even think about putting Linux on their machine, no matter how much custominzing I did to it they would still call with the "how do I do ______, before I would right click then so and so". I would never get any rest.
And this deal about be able to find the expertise to set up all these pc's, sure you can find them, but it's a lot easier finding IT people that know M$ stuff because it is so widely used.
just my
Geez... your the little abortion that got away...
Maybe he decided that being able to send his children to college would be a good thing. If you have a money tree, can you mail me some seeds, because you sound like you have one.
"Employers should not be in the business of subsidizing lifestyle choices."
If they are interested in keeping good employees from going else where for More money, less travel time to work, etc... they will..
I am in charge of a computer telephony system where I work and I am the only one hear that knows it. My company has spent about $18,000 in my training for this system. Their our other companies near us using the same system that pay more, My wife is pregnant currently. If my company doesn't offer more money, childcare or something like that I will definently leave to go get more money elsewhere.