What is keeping other governments from following suite, like the US. Please don't say the constitution, because a lot of people would end up in jails and censored before it got to the courts.
SilverFate Mother should I trust the governmnet? - Roger Waters, "Mother"
There are two big reasons why such actions are totally ethically wrong, here they are. 1. (scholarly) The Australian government is violating their side of the social contract. They are taking away the liberties of citizens. Only citizens have the ability to surrender their individual liberties, that is the basis of the American Constitution and most modern democracies. 2. (personal) The internet is about exchanging infromation and ideas. The Australian government is denying people outside their country the ability to access information. This is because by denying people the freedom to display information, you also prevent people from reading that information because it is not displayed for them to access. In the end information is stored and processed the same way. There is no practicle diffrence between porn in Australia or online human rights protests in China.
SilverFate Who are the Brain Police? - Frank Zappa
The nature of the internet is being able to access and put data up all over the world. Sometimes more physically than normal. Most in the hacker world know this, often using over seas servers to post their pages to circumvent US copyright laws, especially when they are used to silence people's voices. Australia will find their citizens doing the same thing, getting their message across on over seas servers. Even if they passed laws to the contrary it would have a hard time forcing actions about data stored in say the US.
SilverFate [Y]our wisemen don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
I wonder how this effects those 'digital document centers' that they advertise on TV. I mean it is a copier among other things, if it puts a unique code on all of what you print, and stores the files can they then trace it back to the person who wrote it. Could courts supeona those records like they do backups of office email?
SilverFate Who are the brain police? - Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention
Alas, you are right. It is those that were not considered smart or beautiful by society that have done the most for the human race. Einstein did not do well in traditional education, nor was he particularly beautiful. Ghandi was neither beautiful, nor super-intellegent based on society's definition, but he was one of the most influencial and wise people ever to grace this planet. So the more we strive to perfect the human race, the more it will degenerate by having those that would change it all never exist.
SilverFate [Y]our wisemen don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
The real shame is those who see genes as the secret to human achievement. It is our minds, our willpower and our emotions that are the real secret. The insane have built vast empires, a blind men given us the most famouse poems of all history. Possably flawed genes, though we may never know, caused these, but the point is that it was not their genes or anything else physical that made them great it was those intagable things of human nature that drove them to achieve, their soul you could say.
SilverFate [Y]our wisemen don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
Here is an example to show that their argument against Naster is invalid: You are a sys admin for a major university, you want to test the security of your system. To do this you use automated scripts since it costs to much to hire somebody to do it. Now if some one takes those same scripts and uses them to break into a system elsewhere, does that make those scripts 'evil', for lack of a better word, or are they a tool that was miss used by a [sick] individual?
SilverFate [Y]our wisemen don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
If Napstar looks like it is going to loose the law suite than there is one last thing they can do. Though it wouldn't save their company, it would take the recored execs with them. If they publish the sourcecode and/or algorythms for their software then not also do the record companies have a new problem to worry about but also the government can't touch it. Published materials such as books are legal in the US, even those which tell how to commit crimes. Also if the major record labels tried to prevent information from being published in a book then every civil rights group in the country would be on them, an example of big buisness trying to buy away individual liberty.
SilverFate [Y]our wisemen don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
There is one problem with that, etoy did not violate trademark law since they where not trying to defraud the public into thinking that they where e-toys. Any lawyer who does not see that should be stricken from the bar.
SilverFate [Y]our wise men don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
I got the impression that this site was partly owned by an american as well, however federal courts have struck down laws regulating internet content that would hold people who live and run their sites from other states. The same theory should apply here.
SilverFate [Y]our wiseman don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
The easiest and most obviouse thing to do is to move their site to a server to a country that is lax on copyright enforcement. This would probably meaning changing the.com, but a US judge would have no authority over property in another country which legally owned by some one who is a citizen of another country.
SilverFate [Y]our wise men don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson
Though not copying the hippie movement of the 60's but the motivation is the same. The establishment is screwing everybody over and these protestors are just speaking out, wether it is for our enviroment, human rights or any other issue. Every generation needs a select few to step forward and demand a change for the better, though ridiculed by their peers and misunderstood those that speak up are those that change society.
SilverFate [Y]our wise men don't know how it feels to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson "Thick as a Brick"
The problem with their logic is a very simple one. In order for a patent to be valid it must not be obviouse. Well here is the thing, Microsoft had a patent on Cookie technology (as in the browser end) first, and the concept of 'one click shopping' was the whole point of Cookies, to make e-commerce easy (no really, I did some probing). Anyways B&N should call as witness the team at microsoft who developed the technology, since that would end it real quick. I hate to say it but this time Microsoft may be a hero for free flow of commerce and information.
When things happen people do not want to admit that it is their society at fault and so they choose scapegoats. With each group fighting and gaining their rights a new generation of scapegoats is born... guess what, that's us. Who cares if [statistically] most of us are passifists or that we resent authority because it has given up on up? Not the government, not the society, not the people who want to turn a blind eye to the society of hate and fear against us.
Science Fiction: A genre based upon exploring ideas through fiction, whether these ideas be about science, technology or social issues. Examples: Farenheight 454, The Positronic Man, The Original Star Trek, 20000 Leagues Under the Sea.
Fantasy: A genre that uses elements that exist entirely in the imagination to tell a story, normally focusing on characters or epic events. Examples: The Hobbit, Star Wars, Interview with a Vampire, Frankenstein.
Most of the posts I see here are concentrated on one issue or another, not looking at the big important issue. What it comes down to is this, we will not be free online until two things happen. A) When online we are granted the same freedom as we have walking down the street. B) We have the same rights involving our electronic data and communications that we have over our physical property and traditional communitcations media ie. the mail.
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What is keeping other governments from following suite, like the US. Please don't say the constitution, because a lot of people would end up in jails and censored before it got to the courts.
SilverFate
Mother should I trust the governmnet? - Roger Waters, "Mother"
There are two big reasons why such actions are totally ethically wrong, here they are.
1. (scholarly) The Australian government is violating their side of the social contract. They are taking away the liberties of citizens. Only citizens have the ability to surrender their individual liberties, that is the basis of the American Constitution and most modern democracies.
2. (personal) The internet is about exchanging infromation and ideas. The Australian government is denying people outside their country the ability to access information. This is because by denying people the freedom to display information, you also prevent people from reading that information because it is not displayed for them to access. In the end information is stored and processed the same way. There is no practicle diffrence between porn in Australia or online human rights protests in China.
SilverFate
Who are the Brain Police? - Frank Zappa
The nature of the internet is being able to access and put data up all over the world. Sometimes more physically than normal. Most in the hacker world know this, often using over seas servers to post their pages to circumvent US copyright laws, especially when they are used to silence people's voices. Australia will find their citizens doing the same thing, getting their message across on over seas servers. Even if they passed laws to the contrary it would have a hard time forcing actions about data stored in say the US.
SilverFate
[Y]our wisemen don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
I wonder how this effects those 'digital document centers' that they advertise on TV. I mean it is a copier among other things, if it puts a unique code on all of what you print, and stores the files can they then trace it back to the person who wrote it. Could courts supeona those records like they do backups of office email?
SilverFate
Who are the brain police? - Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention
Alas, you are right. It is those that were not considered smart or beautiful by society that have done the most for the human race. Einstein did not do well in traditional education, nor was he particularly beautiful. Ghandi was neither beautiful, nor super-intellegent based on society's definition, but he was one of the most influencial and wise people ever to grace this planet. So the more we strive to perfect the human race, the more it will degenerate by having those that would change it all never exist.
SilverFate
[Y]our wisemen don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
The real shame is those who see genes as the secret to human achievement. It is our minds, our willpower and our emotions that are the real secret. The insane have built vast empires, a blind men given us the most famouse poems of all history. Possably flawed genes, though we may never know, caused these, but the point is that it was not their genes or anything else physical that made them great it was those intagable things of human nature that drove them to achieve, their soul you could say.
SilverFate
[Y]our wisemen don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
Here is an example to show that their argument against Naster is invalid:
You are a sys admin for a major university, you want to test the security of your system. To do this you use automated scripts since it costs to much to hire somebody to do it. Now if some one takes those same scripts and uses them to break into a system elsewhere, does that make those scripts 'evil', for lack of a better word, or are they a tool that was miss used by a [sick] individual?
SilverFate
[Y]our wisemen don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
If Napstar looks like it is going to loose the law suite than there is one last thing they can do. Though it wouldn't save their company, it would take the recored execs with them. If they publish the sourcecode and/or algorythms for their software then not also do the record companies have a new problem to worry about but also the government can't touch it. Published materials such as books are legal in the US, even those which tell how to commit crimes. Also if the major record labels tried to prevent information from being published in a book then every civil rights group in the country would be on them, an example of big buisness trying to buy away individual liberty.
SilverFate
[Y]our wisemen don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
There is one problem with that, etoy did not violate trademark law since they where not trying to defraud the public into thinking that they where e-toys. Any lawyer who does not see that should be stricken from the bar.
SilverFate
[Y]our wise men don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
I got the impression that this site was partly owned by an american as well, however federal courts have struck down laws regulating internet content that would hold people who live and run their sites from other states. The same theory should apply here.
SilverFate
[Y]our wiseman don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson, "Thick as a Brick"
The easiest and most obviouse thing to do is to move their site to a server to a country that is lax on copyright enforcement. This would probably meaning changing the .com, but a US judge would have no authority over property in another country which legally owned by some one who is a citizen of another country.
SilverFate
[Y]our wise men don't know what its like to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson
Though not copying the hippie movement of the 60's but the motivation is the same. The establishment is screwing everybody over and these protestors are just speaking out, wether it is for our enviroment, human rights or any other issue. Every generation needs a select few to step forward and demand a change for the better, though ridiculed by their peers and misunderstood those that speak up are those that change society.
SilverFate [Y]our wise men don't know how it feels to be thick as a brick - Ian Anderson "Thick as a Brick"
The problem with their logic is a very simple one. In order for a patent to be valid it must not be obviouse. Well here is the thing, Microsoft had a patent on Cookie technology (as in the browser end) first, and the concept of 'one click shopping' was the whole point of Cookies, to make e-commerce easy (no really, I did some probing). Anyways B&N should call as witness the team at microsoft who developed the technology, since that would end it real quick. I hate to say it but this time Microsoft may be a hero for free flow of commerce and information.
When things happen people do not want to admit that it is their society at fault and so they choose scapegoats. With each group fighting and gaining their rights a new generation of scapegoats is born ... guess what, that's us. Who cares if [statistically] most of us are passifists or that we resent authority because it has given up on up? Not the government, not the society, not the people who want to turn a blind eye to the society of hate and fear against us.
Science Fiction: A genre based upon exploring ideas through fiction, whether these ideas be about science, technology or social issues.
Examples: Farenheight 454, The Positronic Man, The Original Star Trek, 20000 Leagues Under the Sea.
Fantasy: A genre that uses elements that exist entirely in the imagination to tell a story, normally focusing on characters or epic events.
Examples: The Hobbit, Star Wars, Interview with a Vampire, Frankenstein.
Most of the posts I see here are concentrated on one issue or another, not looking at the big important issue. What it comes down to is this, we will not be free online until two things happen. A) When online we are granted the same freedom as we have walking down the street. B) We have the same rights involving our electronic data and communications that we have over our physical property and traditional communitcations media ie. the mail.