When I die, it'll be a tragedy too, not because I'm interesting, but because there will always be beer I didn't drink, women I didn't bed, and places I haven't seen.
And yet you still miss the entire point of the post. Sure it'll be a tragedy, but only to you. All of the rest of us won't give a shit that you didn't do those things... Well, I told you I wasn't interesting. But you prove my point. The parent implied that ants or sand has a perspective and can judge relative merit-- they can't.
You, however, can judge because your human. You choose to think I'm conceited and not care. See? You think you're more important than me. Sand can't do that.
The point isn't that you have to care whether I do those things, the point is YOU have things YOU want to experience. We (collectively) all do. No humans, no experiences for anybody. Is that really so difficult for you to understand? Or are you just one of those "I hate myself" types as above?
The reason why I feel that humanity is bad is that it, in the long run has a destructive influence on its surroundings. Uh, you mean like life? Since when does new life not substantially alter the pre-existing environment (usually by eating it)?
The whole foundation of your belief system is completely backwards from they way 'nature' works. I mean, hey, if you want to have a religion, that's cool. But don't lie to us and pretend that it is rational thought. You can kill off your own genetic line, really, we don't mind. By the way, I love your work in China.
Wherever humanity spreads, other life withers and die. Wherever red algae spreads, other life withers and die. Wherever sharks spread, other life withers and die. Wherever viruses spread, other life withers and die. . . . Huh, it's almost like it's a closed system or something...
But I really am all for OTHER people not breeding. Good on you!
For all of you who believe the universe and/or the planet would be better of without our race than stop being a hypocrite and off yourself for the good of the universe.
I knew this would show up sooner or later - "Earth, Love it or Leave it!".
Unfortunately, that is not what all these posts are saying. "I hate all humans and I wish they were dead", they say.
The parent merely suggests that they stop being hypocrites -- HE didn't put forth that choice. They are the ones that say they want to off themselves (and us along with? spooky).
Ahh, so the sea turtles are coming up with a plan to avert asteroid impacts on Earth!
Those bastards have been holding out on me! I didn't even know they had launch capabilities... And it is a good thing the storks of the world have decided to start those seed repositories to preserve Earth's genetic diversity against future natural disasters. Well... I guess you are right, life can take care of itself just fine. I guess we can go now.
Ready everybody? Lets all stop breathing in 3... 2... 1...
No, silly, of course you can't have consensual sex. You mean, like between a willing man and woman?? Ewww!
Unless you're the leader of the most powerful religious lobby in the US, you're naked and high on meth, and you're sodomizing a 40 year-old male prostitute in a dirty hotel room.
Or you like to fondle little alter boys. Then it's OK. Religion is neat!
that single grain is a more important part of that beach that this planet is of the universe You argue against your own point. We're it, baby. Humans. We are the only ones that have perspective or assign importance. Luckily, I'm human, so I can help you out:
Sand more important? No. Other possible sentient species more important? No, as the effectively don't exist on our timeline because of distance. Not like they exist anyway. Still No. Who is more interesting? Humans. Any other objecting sentient species say, "BLAAAARGH!" Anyone? Ok, then, that's another "No". T-Rex more interesting? No. I hate to be the one... but T-Rex is dead, my friend. Ants? Screw ants. WTF, are you 'Speaks with Ants'? That's a NO! Extinctions of humans a tragedy? Hell yeah!
Of course the "the universe doesn't have a consciousness"; however, it wouldn't change it thing if it did. Until you can Uplift your planet of sentient ants, humans are the only beings in this universe that notice anything. We are the observers.
I think what the phrase "tragedy for the universe" is meant to mean is something like "it is a tragedy we won't get to take in as much as we could have". It is like having sex, or eating food, or taking a vacation. YES, it is all about the experience. When I die, it'll be a tragedy too, not because I'm interesting, but because there will always be beer I didn't drink, women I didn't bed, and places I haven't seen.
If you can't understand that, you need A LOT more of those three things.
Now THAT scene was funny. Actually, I completely meant the content of my post, but I kind of had to fake the bluster and cursing. I've never cursed and ranted on slashdot; I wondered how/if it would get rated. Interesting. Never predictable, here.
I really hope Carmack gets his cash, I just think it is unlikely. He's still a hero for putting in the effort, in my book.
(Yes, I'm a newbie. The "to=too", "of=off" is a naturale, sadly. It's 4 am bedtime. If anyone is offended... well, I guess I'm not really sorry. Free country. Free speech. Thanks for the forum, slashdot.)
Ho-ly shit. What the hell is wrong with you people?
Do they raise geeks on shitty, whiny junior high poetry instead of Heinlein and Asimov now?! Damn! Moving forward into space doesn't have fuck to do with GOD or the "meaning of life". It's the next goddamn step. You all of you whiney bitches saying "oh, what's the point... humans are sooo terrible" are just refusing to help because you're to damned selfish. Selfish because you don't think your children, or your neighbors children, or anybody's grandchildren should get the same thrill you did when you first saw the Shuttle take off in grade school. Or the first moon landing. Or the first manned orbit. Or the first mother fucking flint scraper.
What assholes. No wonder you don't want the human race to expand into outer space -- you assume we are all just like you! Fine. Stay in Middle Ages Europe, afraid to fall of edge of the fucking planet. Yeah, it's hard. Life is hard. Get used to it. But ruin it for everyone else -- even in the future -- by not even trying? Pathetic.
I wonder why Carmack or even Branson are so interested? Oh wait, they must be "god freaks" or idiotic enough to believe that we are eternal as a species and there will be no Big Rip, Big Crunch whatever according to 90% of these posts. It sure as hell isn't gonna make them money while they are alive.
THIS is slashdot? If the human race goes out like a punk, I'm blaming all of you.
-- It's about time I earned some negative points. Fuck.
(Hooded figure waves passport.) Hooded: "I am not the terrorist you're looking for." (Guard 1 glances at hacked scanner and turns to Guard 2.) Guard 1: "Ahh... yeah, this isn't the terrorist we're looking for. Move along, move along..."
My practical wish is that we can get him in the final debates, like Ross Perot in the '92 election. "Sir, I campaigned for Ross Perot. I knew of Ross Perot. Ross Perot was a candidate of mine. Sir, Ron Paul is no Ross Perot!":P
If the airlines are happy with participating in keeping away the tens of thousands of dollars I used to spend on flying every year, that's ok with me... Right. You say that now. What is the difference between hijacking a plane and killing the passengers, or hijack a bullet train and killing the passengers? Other than it is currently easier?
If we have high volume passenger trains, there will be an 'accidentally inaccurate' watch list ("think of London", they will say). If people stop flying, or taking trains, there will be checkpoints. Actually there already are checkpoints ("Oh noes! Mexicans!" they say) expanding all throughout the southwest.
I don't know what I'm trying to say here except that I hope the flight industry dies. I think you are trying to be reasonable and rational, expecting the same of the current powers that be. I think you are wrong. Fascism is here to stay.
What, falsifying video evidence for court isn't illegal? Surely you jest. Of course not if you work for large company! Surely YOU jest!
If you or I do that, it is perjury, and we do jail time. If Allchin does it, it is called a "controversy". Allchin wasn't even FIRED, in fact, I think he got a raise.
How is asking MS to be a good citizen 'extreme'? Why SHOULD the community accept someone that is so active anti-social?
That would be 'extremely' stupid. Anyone here could give a million examples of what MS has done in the past, but most would work with them right now if they committed to acting properly. Being silly with OpenGL on Vista (initially), the whole OOXML thing, the SBA and the way they treat their own customers -- it still goes on and on...
I think I have an open mind and forgiving heart, but I'm not an idiot. I don't trust them yet just because some PR agent or even Linus says I should. How is that extreme?
Linus treats everyone as if they were fair, generous, and cooperative.
Linus's genius is in design and coding (and in herding cats). Hmm... I think you've addressed your own complaint of myopia. Perhaps that is all he is doing with this statement (herding cats).
I view learning to 'manage' the Redmond Beast as an intelligent, far-sighted goal.
I can't respect Microsoft. They are immoral, unethical, criminal, etc. There may, indeed, be something good that one can say about them. The closest I can come is "They made a good mouse." I think what you said is completely unfair. They also made a good keyboard.
Of course the other side is that a lot of the old independent contractors simply don't exist any more I guess I messed up because that is what I was trying to say too! It is much more profitable NOT to compete, so the old boys in the boardroom got together and bought each other's companies (also making themselves richer). Here is a simplified chart (can't find a current one):
But remember, Raytheon and Lockheed are attached now leaving... 2. There are some other very minor vendors out there, but nothing like it used to be -- Lockheed and Boeing will make sure of that. As for the difference between NASA civilian/military... NASA's stated goal is to transition most launching operations into the 'private sector' as quickly as possible. Good or bad, I don't really see Lockheed or Boeing allowing Bigelow, Armadillo, Scaled Composites, or whatever to compete once things finally get profitable.
Now is the time of mono-/duo-polies, and apparently Americans are cool with that.:(
I, for one, think it's great that I get taken into a back room, strip searched and probed with a cattle prod in sensitive areas just because I have a goatee. What the heck is the wrong with that, it hasn't done me any har--
Wait, what was I talking about? Who are you? Where are my pants?!
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And yet you still miss the entire point of the post. Sure it'll be a tragedy, but only to you. All of the rest of us won't give a shit that you didn't do those things... Well, I told you I wasn't interesting. But you prove my point. The parent implied that ants or sand has a perspective and can judge relative merit-- they can't.
You, however, can judge because your human. You choose to think I'm conceited and not care. See? You think you're more important than me. Sand can't do that.
The point isn't that you have to care whether I do those things, the point is YOU have things YOU want to experience. We (collectively) all do. No humans, no experiences for anybody. Is that really so difficult for you to understand? Or are you just one of those "I hate myself" types as above?
The whole foundation of your belief system is completely backwards from they way 'nature' works. I mean, hey, if you want to have a religion, that's cool. But don't lie to us and pretend that it is rational thought. You can kill off your own genetic line, really, we don't mind. By the way, I love your work in China. Wherever humanity spreads, other life withers and die. Wherever red algae spreads, other life withers and die.
Wherever sharks spread, other life withers and die.
Wherever viruses spread, other life withers and die.
. . .
Huh, it's almost like it's a closed system or something...
But I really am all for OTHER people not breeding. Good on you!
I knew this would show up sooner or later - "Earth, Love it or Leave it!".
Unfortunately, that is not what all these posts are saying. "I hate all humans and I wish they were dead", they say.The parent merely suggests that they stop being hypocrites -- HE didn't put forth that choice. They are the ones that say they want to off themselves (and us along with? spooky).
I say, "Earth, Love it". Period. Humans and all.
Ahh, so the sea turtles are coming up with a plan to avert asteroid impacts on Earth!
Those bastards have been holding out on me! I didn't even know they had launch capabilities... And it is a good thing the storks of the world have decided to start those seed repositories to preserve Earth's genetic diversity against future natural disasters. Well... I guess you are right, life can take care of itself just fine. I guess we can go now.
Ready everybody? Lets all stop breathing in 3... 2... 1...
No, silly, of course you can't have consensual sex. You mean, like between a willing man and woman?? Ewww!
Unless you're the leader of the most powerful religious lobby in the US, you're naked and high on meth, and you're sodomizing a 40 year-old male prostitute in a dirty hotel room.
Or you like to fondle little alter boys. Then it's OK. Religion is neat!
Sand more important? No.
Other possible sentient species more important? No, as the effectively don't exist on our timeline because of distance. Not like they exist anyway. Still No.
Who is more interesting? Humans. Any other objecting sentient species say, "BLAAAARGH!" Anyone? Ok, then, that's another "No".
T-Rex more interesting? No. I hate to be the one... but T-Rex is dead, my friend.
Ants? Screw ants. WTF, are you 'Speaks with Ants'? That's a NO!
Extinctions of humans a tragedy? Hell yeah!
Of course the "the universe doesn't have a consciousness"; however, it wouldn't change it thing if it did. Until you can Uplift your planet of sentient ants, humans are the only beings in this universe that notice anything. We are the observers.
I think what the phrase "tragedy for the universe" is meant to mean is something like "it is a tragedy we won't get to take in as much as we could have". It is like having sex, or eating food, or taking a vacation. YES, it is all about the experience. When I die, it'll be a tragedy too, not because I'm interesting, but because there will always be beer I didn't drink, women I didn't bed, and places I haven't seen.
If you can't understand that, you need A LOT more of those three things.
Now THAT scene was funny. Actually, I completely meant the content of my post, but I kind of had to fake the bluster and cursing. I've never cursed and ranted on slashdot; I wondered how/if it would get rated. Interesting. Never predictable, here.
I really hope Carmack gets his cash, I just think it is unlikely. He's still a hero for putting in the effort, in my book.
(Yes, I'm a newbie. The "to=too", "of=off" is a naturale, sadly. It's 4 am bedtime. If anyone is offended... well, I guess I'm not really sorry. Free country. Free speech. Thanks for the forum, slashdot.)
Ho-ly shit. What the hell is wrong with you people?
Do they raise geeks on shitty, whiny junior high poetry instead of Heinlein and Asimov now?! Damn! Moving forward into space doesn't have fuck to do with GOD or the "meaning of life". It's the next goddamn step. You all of you whiney bitches saying "oh, what's the point... humans are sooo terrible" are just refusing to help because you're to damned selfish. Selfish because you don't think your children, or your neighbors children, or anybody's grandchildren should get the same thrill you did when you first saw the Shuttle take off in grade school. Or the first moon landing. Or the first manned orbit. Or the first mother fucking flint scraper.
What assholes. No wonder you don't want the human race to expand into outer space -- you assume we are all just like you! Fine. Stay in Middle Ages Europe, afraid to fall of edge of the fucking planet. Yeah, it's hard. Life is hard. Get used to it. But ruin it for everyone else -- even in the future -- by not even trying? Pathetic.
I wonder why Carmack or even Branson are so interested? Oh wait, they must be "god freaks" or idiotic enough to believe that we are eternal as a species and there will be no Big Rip, Big Crunch whatever according to 90% of these posts. It sure as hell isn't gonna make them money while they are alive.
THIS is slashdot? If the human race goes out like a punk, I'm blaming all of you.
--
It's about time I earned some negative points. Fuck.
Huh? No... "Why we need to expand into space"... gasses expand-- oh nevermind.
Because we are a gas?
(Hooded figure waves passport.)
Hooded: "I am not the terrorist you're looking for."
(Guard 1 glances at hacked scanner and turns to Guard 2.)
Guard 1: "Ahh... yeah, this isn't the terrorist we're looking for. Move along, move along..."
If we have high volume passenger trains, there will be an 'accidentally inaccurate' watch list ("think of London", they will say). If people stop flying, or taking trains, there will be checkpoints. Actually there already are checkpoints ("Oh noes! Mexicans!" they say) expanding all throughout the southwest. I don't know what I'm trying to say here except that I hope the flight industry dies. I think you are trying to be reasonable and rational, expecting the same of the current powers that be. I think you are wrong. Fascism is here to stay.
Have a nice day!
Hmm... a martial artist named "Hairy1"... Chuck is that you?! But... but... I thought the chief export of Chuck Norris was pain?
If you or I do that, it is perjury, and we do jail time. If Allchin does it, it is called a "controversy". Allchin wasn't even FIRED, in fact, I think he got a raise.
Of course. But I think that he used less emotional words to signal that he is ready to work with M$ anytime they stop 'knifing babies'.
Linus is apparently a very patient man.
How is asking MS to be a good citizen 'extreme'? Why SHOULD the community accept someone that is so active anti-social?
That would be 'extremely' stupid. Anyone here could give a million examples of what MS has done in the past, but most would work with them right now if they committed to acting properly. Being silly with OpenGL on Vista (initially), the whole OOXML thing, the SBA and the way they treat their own customers -- it still goes on and on...
I think I have an open mind and forgiving heart, but I'm not an idiot. I don't trust them yet just because some PR agent or even Linus says I should. How is that extreme?
You use GNU tools? Yeah, I hate badge-ware too. :rollseyesoutofhead:
I view learning to 'manage' the Redmond Beast as an intelligent, far-sighted goal.
Aww, you forgot the most important similarity:
Scientology was run by some guy that tried to create the Anti-Christ by diddling his best friends girlfriend.
Microsoft is run by Steve Ballmer who, of course, IS that Anti-Christ.
http://books.nap.edu/html/defman/fig/ch1_f2.jpg
But remember, Raytheon and Lockheed are attached now leaving... 2. There are some other very minor vendors out there, but nothing like it used to be -- Lockheed and Boeing will make sure of that. As for the difference between NASA civilian/military... NASA's stated goal is to transition most launching operations into the 'private sector' as quickly as possible. Good or bad, I don't really see Lockheed or Boeing allowing Bigelow, Armadillo, Scaled Composites, or whatever to compete once things finally get profitable.
Now is the time of mono-/duo-polies, and apparently Americans are cool with that.
That's a good point... thanks for setting me straight.
From either side, I think you're right that they will end up as a hybrid-- apparently I'm stuck in 1999 thinking! Heh.
I, for one, think it's great that I get taken into a back room, strip searched and probed with a cattle prod in sensitive areas just because I have a goatee. What the heck is the wrong with that, it hasn't done me any har--
Wait, what was I talking about? Who are you? Where are my pants?!
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Hell yeah! Nicely put. Who is this guy and why does he think MS eve NEEDS protection?! Yeesh.