We punish the shit out of drunk drivers. We punish them so hard in fact, that their lives are often ruined and they turn to further drinking to deal with the unemployment and ruined life.
Ok, most people's lives aren't THAT ruined, but when I was in the Marines a DUI was an instant demotion and a battle to keep an Honoroable discharge(even though they made you finish your contract, they would often stick you with a "Other than Honoroable", which pretty much makes getting a decent job impossible.).
I'm not saying don't punish drunk drivers, I think the punishment fits the crime, I'm just saying that if we can prevent them with a easy, cheap, non-intrusive(no stored data, no external notification) device, then that is a superior solution.
You're missing the point. Due to the nature of drunk driving a lot of the people who commit it aren't aware that they're impaired. This could prevent someone who is black-out drunk from climbing into their car and driving into traffic.
I don't buy the hunger issues claim. Having been to actual 3rd world countries and seen actual starvation, then coming back to the states and seeing that obesity is one of the major problems our underclass faces... I just don't buy it.
Yea, you may not get to eat the best tasting food every meal, and you may not get as much as you want, but nobody in the US who isn't a victim of neglect is starving.
God I hated those monthly safety-stand downs. They never prevented a fucking thing, everyone already knows not to drink and drive. The mandatory Motorcycle safety classes on LeJeune with the multi-month wait weren't much better.
Anyway, if you have a simple and non-intrusive way to prevent a crime, especially one with the potential to cause so much harm, why not use it? This isn't avoiding punishing the guilty, this prevents people from ever becoming guilty in the first place.
I'm not a big rehabilitation guy, I think you should be removed from society if you can't function there, not fixed up at taxpayer expense and thrown back out there to commit more crimes. But due to the nature of drinking and driving a lot of people don't realize they are about to commit it, and provided this system didn't store information or contact authorities for failed tests, it could really save a lot of lives.
It would be very hard and expensive to actually put this in guns. If someone came up with one that doesn't need a battery and wouldn't prevent simple modifications, like replacing an uncomfortable grip, I bet the NRA would get on board with it.
If your society needs to rely on electronic gadgets in cars to prevent drunk drivers, you're fucked. "Mind if I pass you, Lindsay Lohan, you are swerving on the highway? Oh, look, Charlie Sheen has passed out on the side of the road again."
In the country where I live, kids can drink alcoholic beverages when they are 16. But they are taught not to drink and drive. You will see a table with a bunch of teenage guys quaffing beers. And one guy will be drinking Coca-Cola. Guess who is driving.
To hammer the point home again, teaching people not to drink and drive is better than any control mechanism.
I got this talk from some Spaniards when I spent 9 months there while in the Marines. The told me that they are so much more mature drinkers and you will never see a drunk Spanish person passed out in the street like you would with Americans.
Well bullshit. I saw it all the time. More than I did with Marines and Sailors even, so thats quite a fucking lot.
And if this safety feature works; Great! In 20 years it could be impossible to get a DUI simply because your car wouldn't start. Provided this thing works, I hope its standard in new cars within 5 years.
Assuming it works as I'm assuming it does in all of those cases you could just cover your hands with your shirt and drive away. It would just make it so if you were to drive drunk it would require you intentionally avoid touching the wheel with your alcoholic hands, and if you were caught would pretty much seal the deal on jail time.
I'm a pretty libertarian guy and so long as the car doesn't alert the authorities, or store records of when it refused to start, I'm all for it.
This could make the crime of drunk driving almost impossible to commit, at least without going out of your way to fool the system(which would make jail time easier to justify).
Its not often you see a really really good solution to a major societal problem, but this is close.
It makes at least as much sense for a standard safety feature as airbags.
If this actually worked it would simply make the crime impossible(well, unless you use gloves). Nobody has to go to jail, nobody has to lose their license, it seems like a pretty good solution to me.
They were racist, socialists, and authoritarians. You cant just say he was far right because he was a racist, there have been a lot of left wing racists over the years.
We could just fine anyone who doesn't buy a electric car for $40,000 by $35,000 a year until they buy one! After all, the money is just sitting in their trust funds so whats stopping them?
All those nasty republicans are just using the money to install gold fixtures in their yachts anyway.
Actually, Senegal has problems with AQIM(Al Qaeda in Mauritania), Kosovo is in the news periodically and had a NATO troop presence required in the 90s, Malaysia has huge terrorism problems just like the entire region including Thailand, The Philipines, Indonesia, and the list goes on.
The 10th amendment is completely ignored this day in age. Which is really a pity, because prohibition is pretty clearly violating it (the interstate commerce clause is extended in order to justify... you know what? look it up. Its bullshit.)
Exactly. I hate when civilians who's combat experience is limited to modern warfare 2 criticize the practices they see in videos from war zones. Guess what? Troops aren't police, if you're in a war zone and you see combat forces don't fucking point a camera at them, don't write something down on a notepad, don't dial your cell phone, just get the fuck out of there.
"Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny."
-- Lloyd Biggle Jr.
Lloyd Biggle Jr. was dead wrong. That statement is astoundingly stupid if you think about it for even a moment.
A immediate example of a form of tyranny more severe? Religious theocracy imposed from without, with executions for all who refuse to convert. Which has happened many times.
I call bullshit. Someone with a fast metabolism is going to have a lot easier time chasing down prey (and running from predators) than someone who takes two days to digest a single Twinkie.
Then why are there so many of us with famine-ready metabolisms walking around?
By the way, I just love eating 1700 calories a day and doing an hour of p90x just to keep from gaining 5 pounds a week. Thanks famine-survival-specialist ancestors!
Just imagine if someone made a virus where all they had to do is drive by your car and connect via wifi which could kill your engine at highway speeds! I cant wait for Glen Beck to explain how it works to me.
In fact, I've already come up with the movie idea! A basement dwelling malicious hacker team... I'm thinking Mila Khunis and Shia LaBeouf, use this virus to rob armored cars! You can post in this thread with offers, I'll start the bidding at $500,000.
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Nope, you've got the wrong political movement entirely. Libertarians are very often atheists.
We punish the shit out of drunk drivers. We punish them so hard in fact, that their lives are often ruined and they turn to further drinking to deal with the unemployment and ruined life.
Ok, most people's lives aren't THAT ruined, but when I was in the Marines a DUI was an instant demotion and a battle to keep an Honoroable discharge(even though they made you finish your contract, they would often stick you with a "Other than Honoroable", which pretty much makes getting a decent job impossible.).
I'm not saying don't punish drunk drivers, I think the punishment fits the crime, I'm just saying that if we can prevent them with a easy, cheap, non-intrusive(no stored data, no external notification) device, then that is a superior solution.
You're missing the point. Due to the nature of drunk driving a lot of the people who commit it aren't aware that they're impaired. This could prevent someone who is black-out drunk from climbing into their car and driving into traffic.
I don't buy the hunger issues claim. Having been to actual 3rd world countries and seen actual starvation, then coming back to the states and seeing that obesity is one of the major problems our underclass faces... I just don't buy it.
Yea, you may not get to eat the best tasting food every meal, and you may not get as much as you want, but nobody in the US who isn't a victim of neglect is starving.
God I hated those monthly safety-stand downs. They never prevented a fucking thing, everyone already knows not to drink and drive. The mandatory Motorcycle safety classes on LeJeune with the multi-month wait weren't much better.
Anyway, if you have a simple and non-intrusive way to prevent a crime, especially one with the potential to cause so much harm, why not use it? This isn't avoiding punishing the guilty, this prevents people from ever becoming guilty in the first place.
I'm not a big rehabilitation guy, I think you should be removed from society if you can't function there, not fixed up at taxpayer expense and thrown back out there to commit more crimes.
But due to the nature of drinking and driving a lot of people don't realize they are about to commit it, and provided this system didn't store information or contact authorities for failed tests, it could really save a lot of lives.
It would be very hard and expensive to actually put this in guns. If someone came up with one that doesn't need a battery and wouldn't prevent simple modifications, like replacing an uncomfortable grip, I bet the NRA would get on board with it.
That said, I don't think it would be possible.
If your society needs to rely on electronic gadgets in cars to prevent drunk drivers, you're fucked. "Mind if I pass you, Lindsay Lohan, you are swerving on the highway? Oh, look, Charlie Sheen has passed out on the side of the road again."
In the country where I live, kids can drink alcoholic beverages when they are 16. But they are taught not to drink and drive. You will see a table with a bunch of teenage guys quaffing beers. And one guy will be drinking Coca-Cola. Guess who is driving.
To hammer the point home again, teaching people not to drink and drive is better than any control mechanism.
I got this talk from some Spaniards when I spent 9 months there while in the Marines. The told me that they are so much more mature drinkers and you will never see a drunk Spanish person passed out in the street like you would with Americans.
Well bullshit. I saw it all the time. More than I did with Marines and Sailors even, so thats quite a fucking lot.
And if this safety feature works; Great! In 20 years it could be impossible to get a DUI simply because your car wouldn't start. Provided this thing works, I hope its standard in new cars within 5 years.
Assuming it works as I'm assuming it does in all of those cases you could just cover your hands with your shirt and drive away. It would just make it so if you were to drive drunk it would require you intentionally avoid touching the wheel with your alcoholic hands, and if you were caught would pretty much seal the deal on jail time.
I'm a pretty libertarian guy and so long as the car doesn't alert the authorities, or store records of when it refused to start, I'm all for it.
This could make the crime of drunk driving almost impossible to commit, at least without going out of your way to fool the system(which would make jail time easier to justify).
Its not often you see a really really good solution to a major societal problem, but this is close.
It makes at least as much sense for a standard safety feature as airbags.
If this actually worked it would simply make the crime impossible(well, unless you use gloves). Nobody has to go to jail, nobody has to lose their license, it seems like a pretty good solution to me.
They were racist, socialists, and authoritarians. You cant just say he was far right because he was a racist, there have been a lot of left wing racists over the years.
They do. The Nazi's are national socialists.
They found a very complex way to break a Nook Color?
We could just fine anyone who doesn't buy a electric car for $40,000 by $35,000 a year until they buy one!
After all, the money is just sitting in their trust funds so whats stopping them?
All those nasty republicans are just using the money to install gold fixtures in their yachts anyway.
Some of us cant afford 5 dollar a gallon gas OR new cars. What about us?
There won't be a million people left in the country who can afford them in 2015!
I'm referring to the Mayan Apocalypse of course, the economic recover is totally working.
Their neighbors are all heavily Islamic. As are the terrorists in those regions.
Actually, Senegal has problems with AQIM(Al Qaeda in Mauritania), Kosovo is in the news periodically and had a NATO troop presence required in the 90s, Malaysia has huge terrorism problems just like the entire region including Thailand, The Philipines, Indonesia, and the list goes on.
The 10th amendment is completely ignored this day in age. Which is really a pity, because prohibition is pretty clearly violating it (the interstate commerce clause is extended in order to justify... you know what? look it up. Its bullshit.)
Exactly. I hate when civilians who's combat experience is limited to modern warfare 2 criticize the practices they see in videos from war zones. Guess what? Troops aren't police, if you're in a war zone and you see combat forces don't fucking point a camera at them, don't write something down on a notepad, don't dial your cell phone, just get the fuck out of there.
This is compounded if the military isn't western.
"Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny."
-- Lloyd Biggle Jr.
Lloyd Biggle Jr. was dead wrong. That statement is astoundingly stupid if you think about it for even a moment.
A immediate example of a form of tyranny more severe? Religious theocracy imposed from without, with executions for all who refuse to convert. Which has happened many times.
Damn, drugs are so European.
I call bullshit. Someone with a fast metabolism is going to have a lot easier time chasing down prey (and running from predators) than someone who takes two days to digest a single Twinkie.
Then why are there so many of us with famine-ready metabolisms walking around?
By the way, I just love eating 1700 calories a day and doing an hour of p90x just to keep from gaining 5 pounds a week. Thanks famine-survival-specialist ancestors!
That's not what "Honors" programs in US schools have been telling us...
Just imagine if someone made a virus where all they had to do is drive by your car and connect via wifi which could kill your engine at highway speeds! I cant wait for Glen Beck to explain how it works to me.
In fact, I've already come up with the movie idea! A basement dwelling malicious hacker team... I'm thinking Mila Khunis and Shia LaBeouf, use this virus to rob armored cars! You can post in this thread with offers, I'll start the bidding at $500,000.