> As an unwilling convert to KDE, I hope the committee address the
> fundamental problems in GNOME that prevent me from using it - bloat,
> integration, usability & packaging.
So, "aside from that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?" ?
:)
hawk, who has yet to see a use for a desktop environment
These were the washing-machine sized, 14" (and 22"???) drives. They didn't tend to move around on their own, because random access tended to even things out. The true walking tended to come from programs that deliberately accessed the drives to cause the behavior . . .
> Then what is this CP/M that I had z80 assembler source to ?:)
If' it's actually CP/M, it's 8080 code--the Z80 was backwards compatible. It's also possible that the customization for the particular machine was in Z80. Additionally, there was a clone (ZP/M ?) that was for Z80 only. But if it's actual CP/M source, it can't be Z80, as that would not run on the 8080 machines.
hawk
Re:Where we could have been....
on
Lineo Frees CP/M
·
· Score: 2
> I used MP/M - a multiuser/multitasking version of MPM on what i think
> was an Altaire?
There were a couple of those; after all this time, it's hard to keep them straight. I want to say that MP/M used multiple processors in the same box and ran on 8 bits. Then there was CCP/M for the 16 bits machines; I worked on QA for that in '84. It could run multiple ms-dos programs at the time. Then that became CDOS, and was ultimately folded into the regular DR-DOS
hawk
primary/secondary level tenure isn't nearly that strong; that's university level tenure--which is *much* harder to get. primary/secondary tenure tends to come after a fixed number of years (such as 3) without getting fired--but it just makes firing hard, not nearly impossible.
But the whole settlement is an abuse of the class action in the first place. It is consumers and individuals that were hurt, not the schools.
Look, it's pretty much standard to settle class actions by paying the plaintiff's lawyers and paying the class close to nothing (thought that's more than they should get in many cases). Here, the class gets nothing. Zilch. Their attorney's hve *no* authority to do this, and are violating their ethical duties in doing so. The attorneys in states with stronger laws are objecting. There's no basis for microsoft handing things to schools instead of the plaintiffs. It's an even farther stretch for them to send the schools a check. . .
> I stand corrected, but let's face it, after the ~72 model year, the
> car wasn't the same, much like the rest of the American auto industry.
*sniff*
That was the end, yes. 71 might even be a better cutoff--72 was the year GM emasculated the big cars, dropping down to two barrels. I had a '72 Impala 400, and wish I still had it. The '71, thought, with the 4bbl, was rated at about 50% higher horsepower. And it went down from there. After the carb barrels, they started lopping of cylinders.
Should detroit ever ship a 3 ton vehicle with a 400cid engine again, I'll be the guy you see on the news standing at the front of the line at the factory gates . . .
>Heck, the TRS-80 Model 1 was forced off the market because of its
> radio noisemaking.
uh, no. It was superceded by a newer model (the III) which was less expensive to build in the configurations people would buy.
> If I recall correctly, the FCC had let it be sold
> initially because they didn't think it would be popular but after it
> sold however many million units they realized that these
> computer-things would require similar regulation to other commo
> office equipment.
it went on the market before the regulation changes, but not by enough to have caused them. It came out, what, Fall of 77? Spring? (hey, give me a break. I'm doing this from remembering my childhoold, not looking it up:). The Atari 800 (late 80? early 81?) was caught in the regulations.
The FCC tightened the requirements at about 1980. Some things were grandfathered in, but newer models had to comply.
Take apart an atary 800. It has an SS50(iirc) edge connector that was made for expansion. They had to give that up and encase the thing in about 1/8" metal to handle the RF. A side effect was a serial interface, making for slow floppies, even for its day. ON top of that, the floppies weren't interleaved at first, so that after reading a a sector, theentire disk had to spin around again before reading the next. ROM C in about 81 added interleave. My demo unit preceded this (heck, the 800 had serial number 49. I knew the owner of IMSAI #13 at the time, too). On top of that, it was unable to keep track of which track it was on, so every track change resulted in a move to 0, then counting its way out . . .
Apple redesigned the II's motherboard to cut rf, and shielded the inside of the case. I don't think this was the same time as Rev 6, which cut the purplish tint on text (by killing the color subcarrier on text lines, iirc). And the ever-popular Supermod II wadesigned by apple, but farmed out for production, so that the II wouldn't be making an RF broadcast.
These continue today. One of the reasons your laptop has an external power supply is so that the supply can be certified, rather than sending the whole laptop for certification with every minor change.
While remembering the 8bits and their tricks is impressive, it was hardly new. This was done on IBM's and others at least in the 60's, and possibly the late 50's.
Additionally, line printerss played Jingle Bells . . .
Nah, they just renamed the substance and jumped on the bandwagon. The dangeres of this substance have long been known. Prior to the internet, we had no choice but to spread the word by poorly typing a memo, and covertly copying copies of the copies when the boss wasn't looking, unto the point of illegibility!
nonetheless, even if they use a funny (albeit chemically more descriptive) name, their helpis welcome.
> i found a page with transaction data from some small web merchant. it
> utilized the unfathomably secure method of Black Text on Black
> Background. something any Neo who's surfing Source Code could pick up.
Not to mention what pages look like under Lynx . . .
> Last time I looked water was not a pollutant. But you better check
> withGreenpeace/Sierra Club/NRDC..... Anything beyond a horse and
> buggy can't be good for you.
Ack! the dreaded dihydrous oxide! quick, ban it! for the children! It causes drownings, crop failures, and electrical fires . . .
Yeah, but think of how fast your laptop will move under it's own power . . .
That, and now the "Turbo" switch on the front ofthe old machines will be literally accurate--instead of slowing down the machine for old games, it will kick in the generator and boost cpu voltage . . .
Come, now. To get all 3 houses, and the 27 goats? The only reason for the invasion was to prop up the popularity of a military junta with a meaningless campaign. The only reason for the british to respond is that if you *don't* respond when when some 2 bit dictator takes your territory, you encourage the 1 bit dictators . . .
> Which means for those
> world series loving Americans, more then one country.
uh, check on what the "World Series" is . . .
It does *not* mean "world champion," and never did.
"World" was the name of the now defunct newspaper that schemed to get the champions of the two major professional baseball leagues to play each other. They slapped their name on it. The event and its name have outlasted the paper by decades . . .
True, in part to tweak Gates' nose, but there's also their goal of running it on servers. Anyway, we normal folk sometimes benefit when billionaires fight out of spite.
hawk, economist, and advocate of the side effects of greed and spite
Slashdot Mirror
. . . have a Jar-Jar free discussion? Isn't "Jag-ar an idiot" well settled by now???
hawk
hawk
> fundamental problems in GNOME that prevent me from using it - bloat,
> integration, usability & packaging.
So, "aside from that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?" ?
:)
hawk, who has yet to see a use for a desktop environment
>inventing a GUI.
yes. We all know that he invented tha AlGore, and that Gates invented the GUI . . .
hawk
hawk
If' it's actually CP/M, it's 8080 code--the Z80 was backwards compatible. It's also possible that the customization for the particular machine was in Z80. Additionally, there was a clone (ZP/M ?) that was for Z80 only. But if it's actual CP/M source, it can't be Z80, as that would not run on the 8080 machines.
hawk
> was an Altaire?
There were a couple of those; after all this time, it's hard to keep them straight. I want to say that MP/M used multiple processors in the same box and ran on 8 bits. Then there was CCP/M for the 16 bits machines; I worked on QA for that in '84. It could run multiple ms-dos programs at the time. Then that became CDOS, and was ultimately folded into the regular DR-DOS
hawk
hawk
Look, it's pretty much standard to settle class actions by paying the plaintiff's lawyers and paying the class close to nothing (thought that's more than they should get in many cases). Here, the class gets nothing. Zilch. Their attorney's hve *no* authority to do this, and are violating their ethical duties in doing so. The attorneys in states with stronger laws are objecting. There's no basis for microsoft handing things to schools instead of the plaintiffs. It's an even farther stretch for them to send the schools a check. . .
hawk
hawk
> car wasn't the same, much like the rest of the American auto industry.
*sniff*
That was the end, yes. 71 might even be a better cutoff--72 was the year GM emasculated the big cars, dropping down to two barrels. I had a '72 Impala 400, and wish I still had it. The '71, thought, with the 4bbl, was rated at about 50% higher horsepower. And it went down from there. After the carb barrels, they started lopping of cylinders.
Should detroit ever ship a 3 ton vehicle with a 400cid engine again, I'll be the guy you see on the news standing at the front of the line at the factory gates . . .
hawk
> One day, I'll make a car powered by stupidity
yeah, but think of how fast it would be . . .
hawk
> radio noisemaking.
uh, no. It was superceded by a newer model (the III) which was less expensive to build in the configurations people would buy.
> If I recall correctly, the FCC had let it be sold
> initially because they didn't think it would be popular but after it
> sold however many million units they realized that these
> computer-things would require similar regulation to other commo
> office equipment.
it went on the market before the regulation changes, but not by enough to have caused them. It came out, what, Fall of 77? Spring? (hey, give me a break. I'm doing this from remembering my childhoold, not looking it up
hawk
Take apart an atary 800. It has an SS50(iirc) edge connector that was made for expansion. They had to give that up and encase the thing in about 1/8" metal to handle the RF. A side effect was a serial interface, making for slow floppies, even for its day. ON top of that, the floppies weren't interleaved at first, so that after reading a a sector, theentire disk had to spin around again before reading the next. ROM C in about 81 added interleave. My demo unit preceded this (heck, the 800 had serial number 49. I knew the owner of IMSAI #13 at the time, too). On top of that, it was unable to keep track of which track it was on, so every track change resulted in a move to 0, then counting its way out . . .
Apple redesigned the II's motherboard to cut rf, and shielded the inside of the case. I don't think this was the same time as Rev 6, which cut the purplish tint on text (by killing the color subcarrier on text lines, iirc). And the ever-popular Supermod II wadesigned by apple, but farmed out for production, so that the II wouldn't be making an RF broadcast.
These continue today. One of the reasons your laptop has an external power supply is so that the supply can be certified, rather than sending the whole laptop for certification with every minor change.
hawk
However, these are still later than the playing of such tunes on mainframes in the 60s
hawk
Additionally, line printerss played Jingle Bells . . .
hawk
nonetheless, even if they use a funny (albeit chemically more descriptive) name, their helpis welcome.
> utilized the unfathomably secure method of Black Text on Black
> Background. something any Neo who's surfing Source Code could pick up.
Not to mention what pages look like under Lynx . . .
hawk, lynx user
> withGreenpeace/Sierra Club/NRDC..... Anything beyond a horse and
> buggy can't be good for you.
Ack! the dreaded dihydrous oxide! quick, ban it! for the children! It causes drownings, crop failures, and electrical fires . . .
hawk
That, and now the "Turbo" switch on the front ofthe old machines will be literally accurate--instead of slowing down the machine for old games, it will kick in the generator and boost cpu voltage . . .
hawk
>the past 10 years or so that is really original?
LyX. It's only relationship to anything else is its early role as a latex front end.
It's different enough from everything else that it *caused* my switch to full time unix.
hawk
hawk
> world series loving Americans, more then one country.
uh, check on what the "World Series" is . . .
It does *not* mean "world champion," and never did.
"World" was the name of the now defunct newspaper that schemed to get the champions of the two major professional baseball leagues to play each other. They slapped their name on it. The event and its name have outlasted the paper by decades . . .
hawk
hawk, economist, and advocate of the side effects of greed and spite
> every day!)
you got the dreaded experimental model, which uses widows . . .
:)
hawk