Just noticed your comment. I usually have all the AC 0 scores hidden...Turn down new users? Why? What if I happen to come late to the party but can contribute more than the average Joe or Josephine? If I know that my work may be repeated anyway, but still want to do it, that's my choice. I would hope they don't turn away new people.Throw my thoughts out the window if it causes so many technically related problems that it hurts the project. If that's the case, in order to protect the future of the project go ahead and close the gates from the new users.Speed is not the issue. Scientifically accurate (or verifiable) data is the only issue.
Thank you, retep, for having the courage to say what I said in post #9. I forgot to say something on the order of 'reproduce themselves' and I got semi-reamed. I gotta think that through next time. I'm sure you read the Princeton article link and agree that what scares you is the fact that the scientists had no idea that these pillars would line up on their own without contact. They of course admitted to not knowing what the future would bring with this new technology. (What was the name of the 'Terminator' intelligence? SkyNet?)
You can't be too paranoid about discoveries that are really only serendipity. I'll admit that most turn out ok, but it only takes one mistake to unleash a new genie.
No, I do not think small things are automatically dangerous. But the following from the article is what worries me.
In addition to shrinking the size of the switch to atomic dimensions, the researchers also used a fabrication method called "self assembly," where the device actually self-forms, in comparison to conventional methods of transistor fabrication using lithography.
I am not an EE (I'm a ChemE), so I don't know exactly what goes into the "self assembly" process. I assume it a lot more complicated than simple crystallization that I have to worry about at work. I mean, the assembly has to be done with a certain precision and intelligence, right? Some sort of formation instruction needs to be added to the initial 'starter molecule.' If not, would it be possible to control how this molecule forms itself?
Hey, if I'm way off base on how these little guys are formed, then I would feel better knowing that. I won't hesitate to admit my limit of knowledge in this area. I just don't think that everyone who works in this area of research knows 100% exactly what they are doing either. If they did, it wouldn't really be research.
Last time someone gave nanites some additional brainpower and allowed them to work together, the little buggers took over the Enterprise. I would think that using them as DRAM would only increase the rate in which they take over the world.
Caution is needed here before throwing all this technology together 'in the name of research science.' I can't begin to understand what all this means for the future, and I can guarantee that there are scientists out there who just don't consider the ramifications of what they are doing. No joke, I am serious.
I don't run the Linux version, but I am fairly sure that it's the graphical portion of the Windows/Mac clients that slows down the work unit times.
Shameless OS plug...My Mac client kicks patooski over what any similar Windows machine can do.
Anyway, I guarantee that virtually everyone here would agree that there will always be someone that will try to optimize any client, no matter if it is considered 'final' or not. We should not accept that and just say, "Oh, well. S@H deserves it because their meager staff can't optimize all their clients to all the/.er wishes. Everyone should read the other posts to see why speeding up the clients will really do no good (except to increase you own (or team) score.
Look, S@H is trying to deal with the demand of more people than they expected using the clients. Mr_Ust knows what he's talking about in the previous post but it must be said again...
...S@H cannot keep up with demand for packets...
They are only making about 1/3 as many as are sent out. In addition, they only have a limited time (2 years?) of data gathering time allocated to them. If we go any faster, we will just get more repetition in the packets sent. We can't find ET any faster by speeding up the clients. The only way to go faster is to collect more data from the telescope. Unfortunately, the S@H site tells us why this is not possible. Maybe we should all read the info available from S@H before going on and on about the "inefficiency" of the clients.
Creepers, they are asking for our help with their project and we make it sound like they should be flogged for not being "perfect." If you don't like it, don't participate in it.
Of course Apple allows for bootable CDs. Well that is except for the OS 8.0 CD. Seems the System Folder on a bunch of them is bad and you have to start up the CD without the extensions on the CD. It took a few tries to time the C and shift keys successfully, but I eventually got it. Then came the difficult part... try explaining to a newbie over the phone how to do this and why it is necessary. I'm going to try it on a 7200/120 tomorrow night. Wish me luck.
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Just noticed your comment. I usually have all the AC 0 scores hidden...Turn down new users? Why? What if I happen to come late to the party but can contribute more than the average Joe or Josephine? If I know that my work may be repeated anyway, but still want to do it, that's my choice. I would hope they don't turn away new people.Throw my thoughts out the window if it causes so many technically related problems that it hurts the project. If that's the case, in order to protect the future of the project go ahead and close the gates from the new users.Speed is not the issue. Scientifically accurate (or verifiable) data is the only issue.
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You can't be too paranoid about discoveries that are really only serendipity. I'll admit that most turn out ok, but it only takes one mistake to unleash a new genie.
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In addition to shrinking the size of the switch to atomic dimensions, the researchers also used a fabrication method called "self assembly," where the device actually self-forms, in comparison to conventional methods of transistor fabrication using lithography.
I am not an EE (I'm a ChemE), so I don't know exactly what goes into the "self assembly" process. I assume it a lot more complicated than simple crystallization that I have to worry about at work. I mean, the assembly has to be done with a certain precision and intelligence, right? Some sort of formation instruction needs to be added to the initial 'starter molecule.' If not, would it be possible to control how this molecule forms itself?
Hey, if I'm way off base on how these little guys are formed, then I would feel better knowing that. I won't hesitate to admit my limit of knowledge in this area. I just don't think that everyone who works in this area of research knows 100% exactly what they are doing either. If they did, it wouldn't really be research.
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Caution is needed here before throwing all this technology together 'in the name of research science.' I can't begin to understand what all this means for the future, and I can guarantee that there are scientists out there who just don't consider the ramifications of what they are doing. No joke, I am serious.
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Shameless OS plug...My Mac client kicks patooski over what any similar Windows machine can do.
Anyway, I guarantee that virtually everyone here would agree that there will always be someone that will try to optimize any client, no matter if it is considered 'final' or not. We should not accept that and just say, "Oh, well. S@H deserves it because their meager staff can't optimize all their clients to all the /.er wishes. Everyone should read the other posts to see why speeding up the clients will really do no good (except to increase you own (or team) score.
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They are only making about 1/3 as many as are sent out. In addition, they only have a limited time (2 years?) of data gathering time allocated to them. If we go any faster, we will just get more repetition in the packets sent. We can't find ET any faster by speeding up the clients. The only way to go faster is to collect more data from the telescope. Unfortunately, the S@H site tells us why this is not possible. Maybe we should all read the info available from S@H before going on and on about the "inefficiency" of the clients.
Creepers, they are asking for our help with their project and we make it sound like they should be flogged for not being "perfect." If you don't like it, don't participate in it.
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Of course Apple allows for bootable CDs. Well that is except for the OS 8.0 CD. Seems the System Folder on a bunch of them is bad and you have to start up the CD without the extensions on the CD. It took a few tries to time the C and shift keys successfully, but I eventually got it. Then came the difficult part... try explaining to a newbie over the phone how to do this and why it is necessary. I'm going to try it on a 7200/120 tomorrow night. Wish me luck.
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