>>enforcement never works as well as incentives concerning domestic policy
I agrre with you there, but it kinf of undercuts your argument though.
>>early and preventative medicine and education is a far better way to keep people healthy than the threat of economic problems- all that does is make people put off health care till it is too late
Maybe true, but you were the one advocating the carrot AND the stick.
>>most black market guns are stolen or illegally obtained from legal owners
Some of them. Most are bought legally and then sold illegally.
>>unskilled and inexperienced workers should be trained and educated in order to perform better at a workplace, we shouldn't bring ALL workers pay below poverty level to make up for a hole in our education system and untrained workers- also in most areas you cannot live on minimum wage pay, just like welfare when you lower a person's living standards you increase the probability of crime (violent and not)
By raising the minimum wage, you are reducing the majority of that training, which is on-the-job. It is possible and very common (though not easy) to live on minimum wage. I've done it. I live in Juarez, Mexico where the average wage is &80/week. No mass starvation here. And I never said bring "ALL workers pay below poverty level." Just the entry level workers. You gotta start somewhere.
Huh? George Washington presided over the Constitutional convention and made very little contribution except to lend his enormous credibility and authority to it. Before that he prevented a mutiny among his officers that could have led to a coupe-de-ta. He set the president of two terms that stood for 150 years until FDR.
It was Washington's commitment to limited government, shared by Franklin, Jefferson and most of the rest that built the foundation of the republic. It was BECAUSE of that commitment and not is spite of it that the U.S is the lone superpower on the planet.
Emperor Burr...gimme a break.
No, you got it right. I was a Navy nuke at INEL, navalreactors and the (then) classified training we got on the TMI and SL1 accidents were as you stated.
Leftists want to live in a zoo. Libertarians want to live in a jungle. The zoo is better for the old and the week while the jungle is preferable to those who like freedom and can compete.
Economics, though easily corrupted, is a science. It is amoral. It is not about fairness or what's right, but what works. Left wing economics do not work. anywhere.
Even red China has seen the truth on this.
The labor theory of value and Marx have been thouroughly discredited. It turns out that leftists are just as selfish as everybody else.
Your post has two references to the French revolution. The "cake" quote from Mary...Marie...Marr..Kirsten Dunst and the "Freedom, equality and Brotherhood" in the sig line. The French revolution and the reign of terror show what could have easily happened in America if our own founding fathers weren't commited to classical liberalism or what we now call libertarianism.
I hope this discussion doesn't break down into an argument over definitions and semantics. Whether we are talking about enforcements or incentives, it doesn't change the fact that there are unintended consequences for well intentioned policies. Often the consequences create a bigger problem than the original one the policies were created to resolve.
Your objections reveal a lack of understanding about economics, specifically incentives. Socialized medicine removes some of the incentive to stay healthy. Gun control creates not only a populace unable to defend itself but also a black market for guns. Raising the minimum wage removes the incentive to hire workers below a certain level of productivity so it raises unemployment most among the handicapped and the unskilled/inexperienced.
FDR's new deal was a response to a depression largely created by govenment, and an inadequate one at that. It was the Fed's tightening of the money supple at the very time when it should have been loosened that plunged much of the country into poverty.
The new deal had the effect of slightly increasing the money supply through the public works programs and government spending . A better solution would have been to never give the Federal Reserve control in the first place.
Libertarians are more compassionate than you give us credit for. Just because society has a responsibility to the week and poor, doesn't mean we should use government as the institution to help them.
I would be in a much better financial position to help people if I didn't have to pay high taxes.
You, on the other hand, want to help the needy not just with your money, but with mine. Taxes are involuntary. Forced charity is not charity.
I am guessing Brenadan was surprised to discover that so many nerds are libertarian because he thought that the poll would show most to be liberal and he wanted to use that as evidence that most smart people are liberal.
Therefor the answer is buried in the implied question:
Many nerds are Libertarian because we are smart.
Leftism doesn't work. Some people wish it did. Some of us are glad it doesn't, but the economic history of the 20th century proves it had never worked in any implementation anywhere.
Personally, I am libertarian be cause I love freedom but i also know that anarchy is inherently unstable.
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This is more Washington Double speak. This bill would not ensure internet freedom anymore than the PATRIOT act is patriotic.
Nobody else fought so hard to keep the internet unregulated, untaxed and free. Dr. Paul made a great effort and we are all in his debt.
You are an asshat for omitting Dr. Paul. You know damn well taht he has a huge following among slashdotters.
>>enforcement never works as well as incentives concerning domestic policy I agrre with you there, but it kinf of undercuts your argument though. >>early and preventative medicine and education is a far better way to keep people healthy than the threat of economic problems- all that does is make people put off health care till it is too late Maybe true, but you were the one advocating the carrot AND the stick. >>most black market guns are stolen or illegally obtained from legal owners Some of them. Most are bought legally and then sold illegally. >>unskilled and inexperienced workers should be trained and educated in order to perform better at a workplace, we shouldn't bring ALL workers pay below poverty level to make up for a hole in our education system and untrained workers- also in most areas you cannot live on minimum wage pay, just like welfare when you lower a person's living standards you increase the probability of crime (violent and not) By raising the minimum wage, you are reducing the majority of that training, which is on-the-job. It is possible and very common (though not easy) to live on minimum wage. I've done it. I live in Juarez, Mexico where the average wage is &80/week. No mass starvation here. And I never said bring "ALL workers pay below poverty level." Just the entry level workers. You gotta start somewhere.
Huh? George Washington presided over the Constitutional convention and made very little contribution except to lend his enormous credibility and authority to it. Before that he prevented a mutiny among his officers that could have led to a coupe-de-ta. He set the president of two terms that stood for 150 years until FDR. It was Washington's commitment to limited government, shared by Franklin, Jefferson and most of the rest that built the foundation of the republic. It was BECAUSE of that commitment and not is spite of it that the U.S is the lone superpower on the planet. Emperor Burr...gimme a break.
No, you got it right. I was a Navy nuke at INEL, navalreactors and the (then) classified training we got on the TMI and SL1 accidents were as you stated.
Your position doesn't make sense unless you see government primarily as an instrument to right all the wrongs of God or Nature.
Leftists want to live in a zoo. Libertarians want to live in a jungle. The zoo is better for the old and the week while the jungle is preferable to those who like freedom and can compete.
Economics, though easily corrupted, is a science. It is amoral. It is not about fairness or what's right, but what works. Left wing economics do not work. anywhere. Even red China has seen the truth on this. The labor theory of value and Marx have been thouroughly discredited. It turns out that leftists are just as selfish as everybody else.
Simple, not simplistic. Occam's Razor shows that simple solutions are often the best.
Your post has two references to the French revolution. The "cake" quote from Mary...Marie...Marr..Kirsten Dunst and the "Freedom, equality and Brotherhood" in the sig line. The French revolution and the reign of terror show what could have easily happened in America if our own founding fathers weren't commited to classical liberalism or what we now call libertarianism.
I hope this discussion doesn't break down into an argument over definitions and semantics. Whether we are talking about enforcements or incentives, it doesn't change the fact that there are unintended consequences for well intentioned policies. Often the consequences create a bigger problem than the original one the policies were created to resolve.
Your objections reveal a lack of understanding about economics, specifically incentives. Socialized medicine removes some of the incentive to stay healthy. Gun control creates not only a populace unable to defend itself but also a black market for guns. Raising the minimum wage removes the incentive to hire workers below a certain level of productivity so it raises unemployment most among the handicapped and the unskilled/inexperienced.
FDR's new deal was a response to a depression largely created by govenment, and an inadequate one at that. It was the Fed's tightening of the money supple at the very time when it should have been loosened that plunged much of the country into poverty. The new deal had the effect of slightly increasing the money supply through the public works programs and government spending . A better solution would have been to never give the Federal Reserve control in the first place.
So the FDA provides "adequate" protection? Libertarianism never claimed to be perfect. It is just better than the alternatives.
Libertarians are more compassionate than you give us credit for. Just because society has a responsibility to the week and poor, doesn't mean we should use government as the institution to help them. I would be in a much better financial position to help people if I didn't have to pay high taxes. You, on the other hand, want to help the needy not just with your money, but with mine. Taxes are involuntary. Forced charity is not charity.
I am guessing Brenadan was surprised to discover that so many nerds are libertarian because he thought that the poll would show most to be liberal and he wanted to use that as evidence that most smart people are liberal. Therefor the answer is buried in the implied question: Many nerds are Libertarian because we are smart. Leftism doesn't work. Some people wish it did. Some of us are glad it doesn't, but the economic history of the 20th century proves it had never worked in any implementation anywhere. Personally, I am libertarian be cause I love freedom but i also know that anarchy is inherently unstable.