One is a violation of property, the other a violation of a person.
That is exaclty my point. I'm not the one equating the two. Other posters are equating using plastic containers with rubber nipples to feed a baby, with a woman feeding a baby from her own body. One item is property, the other is intensely personal.
Apparently you are not a father, probably not even a parent. This doesn't have shit to do with PC anything, it's all about discounting a parents love and bond for their children at any point in their life. Again, you are part of the problem. Trying to relegate parental bonding to a later in life experience is really demeaning and shortsighted.
When did I do any such thing in my original post? You are reading your personal bias into what I said, and making an ass of yourself in the process. If I said steel is stronger than wood, it doesn't mean I am putting down wood. It means for various physical reasons, one of the two can bear more of a load for a sample of a given size or weight, and it happens to be steel.
Not all women are going to bond with their offspring to the same degree, just as not all men are going to. But between men and women, one group is going to bond more strongly, on average, from purely biological reasons. That group is the women, who gestate the baby for nine months, give birth when her hormones put her body into labor, and breastfeed the newborn infant. If you can't understand biology still has a strong hold on us evolved apes, that is your deficiency. Stop claiming it is ours.
My sister couldn't lift her own baby from its crib for over a month after giving birth. Of course, that's because she needed to have a c-section. I lived with her for 6 weeks to take care of my niece (the father wasn't around, go figure). Then I went to boot camp.:^) (true story)
As for my wife, she wasn't 'back to normal' for a couple months after giving birth. Maybe you just have very lucky/healthy friends.
As for the women (or men) who game the system by taking extended paid time off, and never return, the law should require everything after a certain point be considered a loan or lein, requiring repayment if they do so. It is good that some systems are very supportive of new families, and it should not be allowed to be abused so easily.
Because the biological process of pregnancy demands it. The biological process of breastfeeding reinforces it. The natural process of species survival depends on it.
Fathers feeding the baby is nowhere near as intimate as the mother breastfeeding, even if he uses one of those devices some snake-oil salesman convinced insecure males that they needed to be complete.
Here's an experiment that's (not quite) as stupid as your statement: Grab some random woman off the sidewalk, pull out her breast, and start sucking on it. Then drop her, go into a store, open a gallon of milk and start sucking on it. Which one will get you the longer jail term? Which one do you think is the more intense experience?
Hell, there are species where the mother can't get her own food before the offspring are present as separate animals, much less afterwards. The male of the species brings food back to her. Just because you can't think of them, doesn't make them non-existant.
Do you also argue that there shouldn't be different teams in high school, because female athletes are just as strong or fast as male athletes? Because you keep claiming that there are no inherent biological differences between the two sexes.
I was in the military when my wife gave birth. I got 10 days, and felt that was quite generous. Females who give birth have a lot more issues than simply making sure the baby is fed and has a clean diaper. Also, bonding between mother and newborn is, and should be, a lot more intense then for the father.
Exactly. Scientists have been warning about Peak Garbage for years, but no, the energy companies didn't want to listen. They wanted to act like we had an unlimited supply of fuel for their wasteful power plants. (Powering thousands of air conditioners, I'm sure.) Well, now they have to start garbage fracking, just to keep production going. They have to get it from the fracking English, and the fracking Romanians, but luckily for Italy's eco-refuse system, the fracking Neopolitans (sp?) were turned down.
So, now that Peak Garbage has been scientifically proven, are the Osaleonians (sp?) going to change their environmentally conscientious ways?
It felt right in that libertarian black-and-white only worked for me in my teens and 20s. Since then I've come to realize there are a lot more shades of grey.
Yeah, I agree. More or less, anyway. I've said in other threads, I vote for candidates, not parties, and principal is more important than ideology. Although I like the Libertarian concept, I haven't voted for one yet, for various reasons. Maybe if they didn't come across as whiny tax-dodgers, as someone once called them.
And now, re-reading Yakasha's original post above of "You can't tell me what to do!", I can't tell if it is a more strictly libertarian or liberal rant. I'll have to read some of his other comments to get the context.
"Suicide, abortion, plastic surgery, drug use... none of that going on in my body due to my own decisions is any of your fucking business."
I'd let you have that, if you agreed the government should have no financial obligation over any of it either. Once you ask for my tax money, you have decided to make it my business.
So, go do drugs, I honestly don't care, and believe you have that right. But you are not getting a dime from me without pissing in a cup.
Get a cheap lipo job, or implants, or whatever. If you die from complications, I won't bother investigating the doctor's methods or sanitation.
That's why last fall I voted for the candidate who was arrested for daring to force the "presidential debate" to actually have the national presidential candidates.
Of course she couldn't win, and most of her policies are horrible ideas that I would oppose. But her chances and my political leanings are not the most important considerations I had to go by.
Oh please. It's the feminists that have pushed it to it's current level. The fundie christians like looking at a little skin. It gives them something to atone for on Sunday.
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One is a violation of property, the other a violation of a person.
That is exaclty my point. I'm not the one equating the two. Other posters are equating using plastic containers with rubber nipples to feed a baby, with a woman feeding a baby from her own body. One item is property, the other is intensely personal.
Apparently you are not a father, probably not even a parent. This doesn't have shit to do with PC anything, it's all about discounting a parents love and bond for their children at any point in their life. Again, you are part of the problem. Trying to relegate parental bonding to a later in life experience is really demeaning and shortsighted.
When did I do any such thing in my original post? You are reading your personal bias into what I said, and making an ass of yourself in the process. If I said steel is stronger than wood, it doesn't mean I am putting down wood. It means for various physical reasons, one of the two can bear more of a load for a sample of a given size or weight, and it happens to be steel.
Not all women are going to bond with their offspring to the same degree, just as not all men are going to. But between men and women, one group is going to bond more strongly, on average, from purely biological reasons. That group is the women, who gestate the baby for nine months, give birth when her hormones put her body into labor, and breastfeed the newborn infant. If you can't understand biology still has a strong hold on us evolved apes, that is your deficiency. Stop claiming it is ours.
So are you saying bottle-feeding is completely equivalent to nursing, which is what he specified?
Nursing is not essential.
Neither are diapers. What's your point?
My sister couldn't lift her own baby from its crib for over a month after giving birth. Of course, that's because she needed to have a c-section. I lived with her for 6 weeks to take care of my niece (the father wasn't around, go figure). Then I went to boot camp. :^) (true story)
As for my wife, she wasn't 'back to normal' for a couple months after giving birth. Maybe you just have very lucky/healthy friends.
As for the women (or men) who game the system by taking extended paid time off, and never return, the law should require everything after a certain point be considered a loan or lein, requiring repayment if they do so. It is good that some systems are very supportive of new families, and it should not be allowed to be abused so easily.
Because the biological process of pregnancy demands it. The biological process of breastfeeding reinforces it. The natural process of species survival depends on it.
Fathers feeding the baby is nowhere near as intimate as the mother breastfeeding, even if he uses one of those devices some snake-oil salesman convinced insecure males that they needed to be complete.
Here's an experiment that's (not quite) as stupid as your statement: Grab some random woman off the sidewalk, pull out her breast, and start sucking on it. Then drop her, go into a store, open a gallon of milk and start sucking on it. Which one will get you the longer jail term? Which one do you think is the more intense experience?
Hell, there are species where the mother can't get her own food before the offspring are present as separate animals, much less afterwards. The male of the species brings food back to her. Just because you can't think of them, doesn't make them non-existant.
That's it! Fine! No one gets any more days off for anything! Your all equally screwed! That's what you get for complaining! Suffer in silence you!
Sadly, that is the most sensible reaction, and one that everyone who feels "discriminated against" would prefer over the "unfair" system.
Because they are whiny, selfish children.
Do you also argue that there shouldn't be different teams in high school, because female athletes are just as strong or fast as male athletes? Because you keep claiming that there are no inherent biological differences between the two sexes.
I was in the military when my wife gave birth. I got 10 days, and felt that was quite generous. Females who give birth have a lot more issues than simply making sure the baby is fed and has a clean diaper. Also, bonding between mother and newborn is, and should be, a lot more intense then for the father.
Thanks for the link. It has some fun similar examples like Neapolitan.
Funny story: I was a teenager before I realized that the tri-color ice cream was not named after a short European conqueror.
This started decades ago already.
Exactly. Scientists have been warning about Peak Garbage for years, but no, the energy companies didn't want to listen. They wanted to act like we had an unlimited supply of fuel for their wasteful power plants. (Powering thousands of air conditioners, I'm sure.) Well, now they have to start garbage fracking, just to keep production going. They have to get it from the fracking English, and the fracking Romanians, but luckily for Italy's eco-refuse system, the fracking Neopolitans (sp?) were turned down.
So, now that Peak Garbage has been scientifically proven, are the Osaleonians (sp?) going to change their environmentally conscientious ways?
I agree with this, more or less. As long your arguments are consistent on 'personal choice' issues, you have my support.
And will your battery store energy for a few million years? NO. Therefor you are using a very poor battery, temporarily rechargeable though it is.
Hell, your battery doesn't even feed plants after use, it becomes hazardous waste.
Sorry you experienced complete failure of reading comprehension. I never stated I follow the Libertarian cause, and have said why above.
The comment I replied to was bounded by "none of that going on in my body due to my own decisions is any of your fucking business."
Why you think public roads comes into that equation is a mystery.
It felt right in that libertarian black-and-white only worked for me in my teens and 20s. Since then I've come to realize there are a lot more shades of grey.
Yeah, I agree. More or less, anyway. I've said in other threads, I vote for candidates, not parties, and principal is more important than ideology. Although I like the Libertarian concept, I haven't voted for one yet, for various reasons. Maybe if they didn't come across as whiny tax-dodgers, as someone once called them.
And now, re-reading Yakasha's original post above of "You can't tell me what to do!", I can't tell if it is a more strictly libertarian or liberal rant. I'll have to read some of his other comments to get the context.
What?? I totally thought you were serious. :^P
Seriously though, admit it that it felt right when you typed that line. I won't tell anyone, honest.
Jah-Wren, you're finally saying things that make sense. I'm glad you saw the light, and I welcome you to the land of personal freedom.
I also voted for Dr. Stein. May I ask what were the reasons you chose that candidate?
White chicks don't really need to tan on the beach either.
I prefer the fish-belly white look, myself.
"Suicide, abortion, plastic surgery, drug use... none of that going on in my body due to my own decisions is any of your fucking business."
I'd let you have that, if you agreed the government should have no financial obligation over any of it either. Once you ask for my tax money, you have decided to make it my business.
So, go do drugs, I honestly don't care, and believe you have that right. But you are not getting a dime from me without pissing in a cup.
Get a cheap lipo job, or implants, or whatever. If you die from complications, I won't bother investigating the doctor's methods or sanitation.
Is that fair in your view?
That's why last fall I voted for the candidate who was arrested for daring to force the "presidential debate" to actually have the national presidential candidates.
Of course she couldn't win, and most of her policies are horrible ideas that I would oppose. But her chances and my political leanings are not the most important considerations I had to go by.
Oh my god, that sounds like a helluva lot of fun.
Have you made anyone's head explode yet?
The correct response to that is of course...
[Arnie voice]
I'll be bach.
[/Arnie voice]
Oh please. It's the feminists that have pushed it to it's current level. The fundie christians like looking at a little skin. It gives them something to atone for on Sunday.