Thing is, there not good reason not to do it. CPU's have more cycles to spare than HD's have bandwidth (dont forget that aspect of dedup!) or bytes. The state of filesystems in 2009 is basically the same as it was 15 years ago, while ZFS shows that you can do lot's of little things that make life easier, simpler, more effecient, more secure, etc etc. Why not have that in 2009? The machines can do it, ZFS is the software that can do it, why not?
I don't think anyone is even considering the use of nukes to for liftoff..... It's meant for interplanetary of interstellar travel, from high orbits and beyond.
"The flip side is that I've heard that Apple's file systems team is full steam ahead on their own next-generation file system. And, perhaps not coincidentally, they're hiring." from http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/10/23/zfs
This is pretty shitty because it'll fragment the momentum ZFS had in being the next-gen ubiquitous file system. When it was clear ZFS wasn't coming to Linux, those guys got btrfs going, now Apple is doing their own, while ZFS obviously will stay around too. Microsoft obviously wasnt on board for any of this, and without the momentum behind ZFS it never will. This nonsense isnt helping, and I think the best Oracle could do it release it under all the licenses that'll get it into OSX/Linux and perhaps even Windows. Can Oracle go over Sun's head on this or Sun==Oracle?
I'm afraid I cannot provide you with that discussion (as I'm not even nearly technical enough to talk about it, would love to read such a discussion though). What I mean with 'sucks' is that I experience lag where ALSA doesn't and problems with using multiple programs (I admit the error may be in those programs not properly supporting Pulse) and sound just sometimes even drops when going to a few webpages with Flash for example (need to restart the system to fix that). I just appears very buggy and laggy to me, and judging from the chatter here and on forums etc I'm not alone in that.
I had a good read with those comments, didn't think of reading them before. It certainly sheds some light on why things are as they are right now. Too bad they're not really about Pulse, which may seem not so badly designed after all, still is not solving many problems we have. Apart from that it's implementation sucks still.
OK, if we use your definition of latency and lag (which is fine by me, I simply meant lag by latency before then), and if latency is there because of power savings, how much power/does/ it save? I havent seen dramatic improvements because of it, on my laptops (which I presume are the 'many applications and use cases' you're talking about, have you, eg are there benchmarks on this?
Even so, Pulse certainly gives many users the perception of lag. Whether or not this is because of buffering or simply/is/ laggy, (which many of us infer) will you do anything about this? I use ALSA because for me it always Just Works, and in the cases Pulse does work, I percieve it to be laggy. No matter which way you slice it, there seems to be consensus on this, and I'd like to see stuff fixed.
The 'laggy experience' Pulse gives me and many other together with the fact that every article I read on the subject moans about the bad design of the total software stack you use with Pulse, gives me the impression Pulse is simply too big and complicated. Now, the software itself I admit I don't know jack shit and just restate the comments of other devs, but can you comment on that anyway? Do you really think Pulse has a sane design?
If I look at this article, it certainly seems to me OOSv4 has it right and Pulse not: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html
Well, although I appreciate Ubuntu's motives for the plugin, I'm going to disagree here: forcing users to use a (complicated, and potentially dangerous) application to remove such a thing is not so great. Although the registry is perhaps a little more complicated than synaptic, they're certainly equally dangerous tools if you don't know what you're doing.
Lag==Latency, and those are not the same as a buffer. I didn't know Pulse had a buffer, but from my standpoint it certainly acts like latency/lag, because I don't want an extra 200ms between me changing a tune and hearing the change. Never mind playing games like FretsonFire (or games at all, which shouldn't be buffered ever and should be as low latency as possible). Why is it that Windows and OSX seem to get this right (you can call then many things, but not deficient in the audio area)? I simply cannot understand how you could think high latency is certainly good, thats simply never ever the case.
You mean emulation [of the x86 instruction set]. This need not be necesarrily slow. Look how Apple's Rosetta performs. Apart from it not supporting any and all software, the stuff it does support it supports pretty well. I've played a few recent (for the time, when the Intels came out) PPC games, and I did not detect any slowness or bugs.
If Microsoft were to change the executable format, they'd certainly only allowing for.Net shizzle, as that's their cross-architecture (format). Basically it would mean simply disabling backwards compatbility with win32 executables. But this would be a huge catch22, because the sole reason Windows is what it is, is this backwards compatibility. It's what keeps people and businesses tied to Windows. If they'd remove that, they'd level te playingfield, all by themselves, which is absolutely the last thing they will ever do.
So because a group is actually engaged in internal discussion, you will not consider its chief point at all? That's stupid. The entire reason that science works is because of this internal debate. We will never know anything 100% sure, that's why it's called the real world. Be very afraid of unified fronts, I've never seen any stand the test of time. Yes, the Greens have a lot of brainless zealots, but I assume adults are smart enough to recognize and ignore zealots.
And sure, these are businesses in the end as well. Seems they both mean to make a profit off this, so naturally they compete, what's so crazy about that?
Just as buying a mercedes works in the sense that with some people you'll gain social status, selling green shizzle works on other people. Guess what, it's what phenomena like fashion and hypes are ALL ABOUT. Being effective in this sense is surely in their interest, just as it's in mercedes' interest to perpetuate the idea that mercs are 'better'.
But here's what you're missing: of course people arent altruistic. And people are in the end selfish too. Simplifying societies down to such a level however shows a great misunderstanding of the complexity of the human mind and human societies. You to work from 9-5 because that's what you learn will get you the selfish things you want. You learn to be nice to unkind people, because it allows for societies to function, even if not all goes well. You drive a car, even if you could just take the bike, just because we think sitting on the couch that much earlier in the evening is better. You learn you must have a wife, a dog and two children, because that's the format our sociaty can handle, economically and socially. Society is so riddled of these kinds of obfuscations between what we want (food, sex) and what we do (moving a ton of steel to a building, hitting squares of plastic that make symbols on a panel, grabbing strange membranes of a counter and 'discovering' there's a substance of ridiculous, yet tasty, chemical composition inside.
In the same way that we believe killing is bad, believing that aforementioned way of life is not so bad, mercedes' are better cars than skoda's, etc, etc, etc, I think we can say that 'altruism' in the way that we 'care' for the environment exists too. Sure, this care may be motivated in the end by the selfish insight or belief that we'll all be dead if we don't do this (which is a pretty good insight I think, many scientists believe this is the case after all). That doesn't change the fact that there are many many layers between primal urges and the actions we take. And, how many times do our actions start out randomly? Just look at young children, it's sometimes hard to believe that each and every action they take is based on self interest, even if you take into account that a genetic urge for youngsters to engage in risky behaviour may give them valuable experience later on in life. Pretty much possible with altruism too. We can kill any debate and dumb every motivation down to self interest, or we can just believe what seems to be true and talk about what this is about, the.eco TLD.
I say this: get rid of TLD's altogether, or allow anyone any TLD. This rediculous system we're having now makes no sense. Why'd I wanna postfix everything with a.com,.eu,.nl,.tv? And I if I then for some reason must postfix my domain, then I'd like to arbitrarily choose which one please.
If we're being pedantic, OGG is just a container and as such not interesting. Although opensourcing VP8 may halt work on Theora, Vorbis is going nowhere, as it's considered among the best audo codecs out there, if not the best.
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Thing is, there not good reason not to do it. CPU's have more cycles to spare than HD's have bandwidth (dont forget that aspect of dedup!) or bytes. The state of filesystems in 2009 is basically the same as it was 15 years ago, while ZFS shows that you can do lot's of little things that make life easier, simpler, more effecient, more secure, etc etc. Why not have that in 2009? The machines can do it, ZFS is the software that can do it, why not?
I want my Zee Ef Ess.....
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I don't think anyone is even considering the use of nukes to for liftoff..... It's meant for interplanetary of interstellar travel, from high orbits and beyond.
Thermal Envelope? Isn't an anti-static envelope enough? Geez....
Believe it or not, NTFS. With reliable and fast userspace FS packages for both OSX and Linux NTFS is a breeze (cough). NTFS-3g is the name.
"The flip side is that I've heard that Apple's file systems team is full steam ahead on their own next-generation file system. And, perhaps not coincidentally, they're hiring." from http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/10/23/zfs
This is pretty shitty because it'll fragment the momentum ZFS had in being the next-gen ubiquitous file system. When it was clear ZFS wasn't coming to Linux, those guys got btrfs going, now Apple is doing their own, while ZFS obviously will stay around too. Microsoft obviously wasnt on board for any of this, and without the momentum behind ZFS it never will. This nonsense isnt helping, and I think the best Oracle could do it release it under all the licenses that'll get it into OSX/Linux and perhaps even Windows. Can Oracle go over Sun's head on this or Sun==Oracle?
How do I run MPD on windows?
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I'm afraid I cannot provide you with that discussion (as I'm not even nearly technical enough to talk about it, would love to read such a discussion though). What I mean with 'sucks' is that I experience lag where ALSA doesn't and problems with using multiple programs (I admit the error may be in those programs not properly supporting Pulse) and sound just sometimes even drops when going to a few webpages with Flash for example (need to restart the system to fix that). I just appears very buggy and laggy to me, and judging from the chatter here and on forums etc I'm not alone in that.
I had a good read with those comments, didn't think of reading them before. It certainly sheds some light on why things are as they are right now. Too bad they're not really about Pulse, which may seem not so badly designed after all, still is not solving many problems we have. Apart from that it's implementation sucks still.
Thanks PulseAudio, for exposing those damn drivers. I really hate it when audioservers simply work and just hide defects like this.
OK, if we use your definition of latency and lag (which is fine by me, I simply meant lag by latency before then), and if latency is there because of power savings, how much power /does/ it save? I havent seen dramatic improvements because of it, on my laptops (which I presume are the 'many applications and use cases' you're talking about, have you, eg are there benchmarks on this?
Even so, Pulse certainly gives many users the perception of lag. Whether or not this is because of buffering or simply /is/ laggy, (which many of us infer) will you do anything about this? I use ALSA because for me it always Just Works, and in the cases Pulse does work, I percieve it to be laggy. No matter which way you slice it, there seems to be consensus on this, and I'd like to see stuff fixed.
The 'laggy experience' Pulse gives me and many other together with the fact that every article I read on the subject moans about the bad design of the total software stack you use with Pulse, gives me the impression Pulse is simply too big and complicated. Now, the software itself I admit I don't know jack shit and just restate the comments of other devs, but can you comment on that anyway? Do you really think Pulse has a sane design?
If I look at this article, it certainly seems to me OOSv4 has it right and Pulse not: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html
Well, although I appreciate Ubuntu's motives for the plugin, I'm going to disagree here: forcing users to use a (complicated, and potentially dangerous) application to remove such a thing is not so great. Although the registry is perhaps a little more complicated than synaptic, they're certainly equally dangerous tools if you don't know what you're doing.
Lag==Latency, and those are not the same as a buffer. I didn't know Pulse had a buffer, but from my standpoint it certainly acts like latency/lag, because I don't want an extra 200ms between me changing a tune and hearing the change. Never mind playing games like FretsonFire (or games at all, which shouldn't be buffered ever and should be as low latency as possible). Why is it that Windows and OSX seem to get this right (you can call then many things, but not deficient in the audio area)? I simply cannot understand how you could think high latency is certainly good, thats simply never ever the case.
Thanks for making me laugh ;)
Thirtytooth.
Damnit, my car has a USB port, let me use my goddamn arrow keys to steer my car!
You mean emulation [of the x86 instruction set]. This need not be necesarrily slow. Look how Apple's Rosetta performs. Apart from it not supporting any and all software, the stuff it does support it supports pretty well. I've played a few recent (for the time, when the Intels came out) PPC games, and I did not detect any slowness or bugs.
If Microsoft were to change the executable format, they'd certainly only allowing for .Net shizzle, as that's their cross-architecture (format). Basically it would mean simply disabling backwards compatbility with win32 executables. But this would be a huge catch22, because the sole reason Windows is what it is, is this backwards compatibility. It's what keeps people and businesses tied to Windows. If they'd remove that, they'd level te playingfield, all by themselves, which is absolutely the last thing they will ever do.
Nothing, which is why there is at least one Windows application that does exactly that.
Dear Brits, why o why did you have to make your language so incredibly inconsistent ;)
So because a group is actually engaged in internal discussion, you will not consider its chief point at all? That's stupid. The entire reason that science works is because of this internal debate. We will never know anything 100% sure, that's why it's called the real world. Be very afraid of unified fronts, I've never seen any stand the test of time. Yes, the Greens have a lot of brainless zealots, but I assume adults are smart enough to recognize and ignore zealots.
And sure, these are businesses in the end as well. Seems they both mean to make a profit off this, so naturally they compete, what's so crazy about that?
Just as buying a mercedes works in the sense that with some people you'll gain social status, selling green shizzle works on other people. Guess what, it's what phenomena like fashion and hypes are ALL ABOUT. Being effective in this sense is surely in their interest, just as it's in mercedes' interest to perpetuate the idea that mercs are 'better'.
.eco TLD.
But here's what you're missing: of course people arent altruistic. And people are in the end selfish too. Simplifying societies down to such a level however shows a great misunderstanding of the complexity of the human mind and human societies. You to work from 9-5 because that's what you learn will get you the selfish things you want. You learn to be nice to unkind people, because it allows for societies to function, even if not all goes well. You drive a car, even if you could just take the bike, just because we think sitting on the couch that much earlier in the evening is better. You learn you must have a wife, a dog and two children, because that's the format our sociaty can handle, economically and socially. Society is so riddled of these kinds of obfuscations between what we want (food, sex) and what we do (moving a ton of steel to a building, hitting squares of plastic that make symbols on a panel, grabbing strange membranes of a counter and 'discovering' there's a substance of ridiculous, yet tasty, chemical composition inside.
In the same way that we believe killing is bad, believing that aforementioned way of life is not so bad, mercedes' are better cars than skoda's, etc, etc, etc, I think we can say that 'altruism' in the way that we 'care' for the environment exists too. Sure, this care may be motivated in the end by the selfish insight or belief that we'll all be dead if we don't do this (which is a pretty good insight I think, many scientists believe this is the case after all). That doesn't change the fact that there are many many layers between primal urges and the actions we take. And, how many times do our actions start out randomly? Just look at young children, it's sometimes hard to believe that each and every action they take is based on self interest, even if you take into account that a genetic urge for youngsters to engage in risky behaviour may give them valuable experience later on in life. Pretty much possible with altruism too. We can kill any debate and dumb every motivation down to self interest, or we can just believe what seems to be true and talk about what this is about, the
I say this: get rid of TLD's altogether, or allow anyone any TLD. This rediculous system we're having now makes no sense. Why'd I wanna postfix everything with a .com, .eu, .nl, .tv? And I if I then for some reason must postfix my domain, then I'd like to arbitrarily choose which one please.
If we're being pedantic, OGG is just a container and as such not interesting. Although opensourcing VP8 may halt work on Theora, Vorbis is going nowhere, as it's considered among the best audo codecs out there, if not the best.